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seun
08-29-2008, 12:52 AM
Quick question: how would you write this line? None look right to me.

The remains of a WWII lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

The remains of a Second World War lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

The remains of a World War Two lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

regdog
08-29-2008, 01:04 AM
The remains of the World War 2 lookout bunker were located close to the cliffs.

The remains of the World War 2 lookout bunker were found close to the cliffs.

CaroGirl
08-29-2008, 01:10 AM
I'll differ by suggesting:

The remains of a WWII lookout bunker sat close to the cliffs.

Ms Hollands
08-29-2008, 01:25 AM
Does the fact that it's from WWII matter? Can you not say:

The remains of an old army bunker was decaying near the cliffs.

Prozyan
08-29-2008, 01:29 AM
The remains of an old army bunker was decaying near the cliffs.

My vote.

If WW2 is important, maybe "The remains of an old army bunker, perhaps a relic from World War Two, was decaying near the cliffs."

Priene
08-29-2008, 01:29 AM
A few metres back from the cliff's edge, the bunker's concrete walls were crumbling and leaching rust.

san_remo_ave
08-29-2008, 01:33 AM
Do you need to say WWII or could you use another adjective that shows us it's WWII, for example:

The remains of a Nazi lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.
The remains of an Allied lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

Assuming this is a european bunker as opposed to a pacific bunker, of course....

Ervin
08-29-2008, 01:53 AM
The broken rubble, rusted metal frame, and old unused bullets of the WWII bunker lay scattered along the rocky cliff side.

Viral
08-29-2008, 02:00 AM
Near the cliffs lay the remains of an army bunker.

tehuti88
08-29-2008, 03:32 AM
I would go with the WWII one (though I'd choose a more active verb than "were," maybe something like "sat"), but I think this is just because that's what I'm most used to seeing the war referred to as. (Ugh...I know that sentence was not very grammatically sound. Sorry.) Though when I think about it now, "WWII" does look weird in narration. But the other two options seem clunky because I'm not used to seeing it referred to that way.

"World War II," maybe...? I think I'd lean toward that.

sunandshadow
08-29-2008, 03:42 AM
Near the cliffs lay the remains of an army bunker.
I would make cliff singular, because you can only have one cliff in a given place even if there are several in the area. Or you could make the mental image clearer by specifying whether this is the foot of a cliff or the top edge of one. Being a lookout bunker I imagine it's on the top, possibly looking out over the ocean? Might be nice to have some colors or other adjectives in there too, if this sentence is supposed to be setting a scene.

blacbird
08-29-2008, 03:53 AM
I don't like the word "remains", which I think leads to a clumsy verb usage. I'd suggest something like "Near the cliffs was a decaying WWII Army bunker." Or, if your POV permits, perhaps something more active, like "We found near the cliffs a decaying WWII Army bunker."

caw

dpaterso
08-29-2008, 03:59 AM
"The remains of a WWII lookout bunker" would be my choice.

"were close" is weak and seems the bigger problem.

-Derek

IceCreamEmpress
08-29-2008, 04:07 AM
Near the cliffs lay the ruins of a lookout bunker from the Second World War.

FennelGiraffe
08-29-2008, 04:09 AM
"A decaying WWII lookout bunker huddled on the cliff."

maestrowork
08-29-2008, 04:16 AM
A WWII lookout bunker had crumbled near the edge of the cliffs.

DeleyanLee
08-29-2008, 04:34 AM
The shadow of the cliffs touched upon the remains of a World War II bunker.

blacbird
08-29-2008, 04:36 AM
All of which suggestions demonstrate that many colors of cats can all catch mice (to paraphrase Deng Xiao-Ping). My personal rule o'thumb is that if I have a sentence that bothers me, I probably should find an entirely different way to express it.

caw

sheadakota
08-29-2008, 05:07 AM
All of which suggestions demonstrate that many colors of cats can all catch mice (to paraphrase Deng Xiao-Ping). My personal rule o'thumb is that if I have a sentence that bothers me, I probably should find an entirely different way to express it.

caw
Blackbird is wise

KTC
08-29-2008, 05:13 AM
Near the cliffs lay the ruins of a lookout bunker from the Second World War.

Bravo. Yes. My choice.

SPMiller
08-29-2008, 05:56 AM
Depends entirely on the narrative voice. I can't give you an answer unless I know who's talking.

Miss Java
08-29-2008, 06:08 AM
All of which suggestions demonstrate that many colors of cats can all catch mice (to paraphrase Deng Xiao-Ping). My personal rule o'thumb is that if I have a sentence that bothers me, I probably should find an entirely different way to express it.

caw


I'm going with this one. :D

There are many ways to accomplish the same goal. It doesn't mean that one is better than the other; each one is subjective.

My only suggestion would be to make it more of a show than a tell. (But I'm sure you've heard that sort of thing before).

SPMiller
08-29-2008, 09:19 AM
Yes. Aside from the lack of specific detail--which you presumably provide elsewhere in the paragraph--the sentence raises some questions about the narrator and what she can possibly know about what she's seeing.

- How does she know it's a bunker?
- How does she know it was used for lookout purposes?
- How does she know it was built for World War II?

Mumut
08-29-2008, 09:49 AM
My editor has accepted World War Two in my newly published novel Rudigor's Revenge.

Mumut
08-29-2008, 09:54 AM
Yes. Aside from the lack of specific detail--which you presumably provide elsewhere in the paragraph--the sentence raises some questions about the narrator and what she can possibly know about what she's seeing.

- How does she know it's a bunker?
- How does she know it was used for lookout purposes?
- How does she know it was built for World War II?

When you see a WWII lookout bunker you obviously know all those things. Bunkers in places like along the Chanel coast or in the sandhills north of Liverpool are concrete fortifications, looking out to sea, with slits to look out of and fire out of. Their materials tell you they are recent (rather than, say, medieval) but anyone in those areas would have to be stupid NOT to know about them.

TurkeyLurkey
08-29-2008, 10:03 AM
Quick question: how would you write this line? None look right to me.
The remains of a WWII lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

The remains of a Second World War lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.

The remains of a World War Two lookout bunker were close to the cliffs.
Although some of the above suggestions sound good too. :)

maestrowork
08-29-2008, 11:10 AM
many colors of cats can all catch mice (to paraphrase Deng Xiao-Ping).

The actual quote is: White cat, black cat, if it can catch mice it's a good cat.

Interestingly, the Chinese word for cat is Mao... (first tone; his surname is second tone). Coincidence? I think not.

Michael Parks
08-29-2008, 11:41 AM
Near the cliffs lay the ruins of a lookout bunker from the Second World War.

Yes, my vote too.

Willowmound
08-29-2008, 04:26 PM
The actual quote is: White cat, black cat, if it can catch mice it's a good cat.

Interestingly, the Chinese word for cat is Mao... (first tone; his surname is second tone). Coincidence? I think not.

http://www.artybees.co.nz/book-covers/new-book-other-covers/chairman-miaow.jpg

Jimmyboy1
08-29-2008, 04:41 PM
First one works for me.

seun
08-29-2008, 06:11 PM
Impressive. I didn't expect this much feedback so thanks to everyone.

Problem was I read the sentence so many times, it just turned into gibberish. As has been said, it's a good idea to find an entirely new way of saying what I need to.