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dgrintalis
04-24-2009, 11:00 AM
Do you make up words in your stories? I do, and I know it comes from writing poetry. I smash words together all the time.

Well, maybe not completely made up, but smashing words together like:

sockfeet

thunderscars

rottensweet

All three of these words I use in my WIP (aka the tale that is being edited and added to and edited and added to...). And I should add that these are words my MC thinks, not says. My tale is a horror/thriller/urban fantasy kind of thing. (I'm not 100% sure what it technically is. Not yet, anyway. Maybe once the edits are fully done, it will be clear to me.)

The last two are used a few times for emphasis in the final scene (they are always italicized). I know they don't make sense out of context, but they make sense in the story.

So, anyone else do this or am I a complete nutcase? ;)

Manix
04-24-2009, 11:22 AM
Well, you're probably a nutcase, but you're in good company here!:D

I keep telling my spellchecker that it's not sufficiently updated enough with modern terminology! Its word selections are just not sophisticated enough to recognize my version of the English language. Someday, after I'm published, I'm sure they'll all be in the dictionary.;)

Red_Dahlia
04-24-2009, 11:59 AM
I don't, but as a fantasy writer, I probably should.

For instance, my characters all have perfectly sensible names, like Robert or Judy. However, I'm afraid during edits I'll feel the need to change them to something along the lines of Shin'einkc'e. *sigh*

For what it's worth, I like the words you've created by smashing them together. I may be wrong, but didn't Shakespeare invent lots of words in his plays, too? :)

TTCleveland
04-24-2009, 12:03 PM
For what it's worth, I like the words you've created by smashing them together. I may be wrong, but didn't Shakespeare invent lots of words in his plays, too? :)

He invented the word "Assassination" in Macbeth as a matter of fact. ^^

Stijn Hommes
04-24-2009, 04:09 PM
I don't, but as a fantasy writer, I probably should.

For instance, my characters all have perfectly sensible names, like Robert or Judy. However, I'm afraid during edits I'll feel the need to change them to something along the lines of Shin'einkc'e. *sigh*

For what it's worth, I like the words you've created by smashing them together. I may be wrong, but didn't Shakespeare invent lots of words in his plays, too? :) It's perfectly sensible to give your characters such names if they live in our world. Otherwise, other names may be called for, but don't abuse the apostrophe. I read somewhere it's a major turn off for agents and editors.

Maryn
04-24-2009, 07:04 PM
I make up words, or at least Word says I do, and I'm writing erotica, not fantasy. (Well, all right, in a technical way it's fantasy, but still...) If there aren't too many, and they truly work, I say run with it.

Maryn, who can't believe some of the stuff Word rejects

Suirattigas
04-24-2009, 07:18 PM
"thunderscars"

dgrintalis, that's a great word. I'm glad you've invented it.

Red_Dahlia
04-24-2009, 08:19 PM
It's perfectly sensible to give your characters such names if they live in our world.

Unfortunately they don't. The world they live in is fairly similar to the early 20th century, when those kinds of names were very popular. So I've been using them and trying to convince myself that it's alright because it highlights the differences between our world and theirs, but that might be very flawed logic.

Otherwise, other names may be called for, but don't abuse the apostrophe. I read somewhere it's a major turn off for agents and editors.

Ugh, I know. I HATE names that are filled with apostrophes, or anything that makes it impossible for me to pronounce them. I can only imagine how sick an agent must get of it.

jilly61
04-24-2009, 08:24 PM
I made up dentition the other day. I was meaning to say dentist but had dietition wandering round my head.
(I think I got away with it though)

Kitty Pryde
04-24-2009, 09:28 PM
I made up dentition the other day. I was meaning to say dentist but had dietition wandering round my head.
(I think I got away with it though)

I believe someone beat you to it.

den⋅ti⋅tion

  http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/D01/D0182400)  /dɛnˈtɪʃhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngən/ http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) Show Spelled Pronunciation [den-tish-uhhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngn] –noun 1. the makeup of a set of teeth including their kind, number, and arrangement. 2. the eruption or cutting of the teeth; teething; odontiasis.

Origin:
1605–15; < L dentītiōn- (s. of dentītiō), equiv. to dentīt(us) (ptp. of dentīre to cut teeth, teethe) + -iōn- -ion http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png




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jilly61
04-24-2009, 09:36 PM
I believe someone beat you to it.

den⋅ti⋅tion

  http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/D01/D0182400)  /dɛnˈtɪʃhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngən/ http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) Show Spelled Pronunciation [den-tish-uhhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngn] –noun 1. the makeup of a set of teeth including their kind, number, and arrangement. 2. the eruption or cutting of the teeth; teething; odontiasis.

Origin:
1605–15; < L dentītiōn- (s. of dentītiō), equiv. to dentīt(us) (ptp. of dentīre to cut teeth, teethe) + -iōn- -ion http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png




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Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.


Thanks for checking that out for me. It sounded as if it should be a word and it could make sense in the way it was used which is why I got away with it. I'll see if I can make a real new one up;)

Juliette Wade
04-24-2009, 09:41 PM
I make up words all the time, for three main reasons.
1. I invent languages and language problems and write stories about them
2. I love close points of view and unreliable narrators
3. I write fantasy and science fiction (that may have been obvious :) )
I think the weirdest human word I made up was "dizzy-forward." It was internalized, and I thought it worked in context.
When I make up names, I try to place them in a linguistic context that matches the characters' physiology, their climate and their culture. I actually just talked about some created names in my worldbuilding workshop, here (http://talktoyouniverse.blogspot.com/2009/04/workshop-names.html).
So go ahead, make up words. If anybody has a problem with it, they'll let you know. Lewis Carroll made up "chortle" and now it's a word. So there you go.

dgrintalis
04-24-2009, 09:41 PM
"thunderscars"

dgrintalis, that's a great word. I'm glad you've invented it.

Thank you. It's a very poignant word in my tale. It is a reference to the damage that was done to her by an abusive man. Thunderscars don't show, but they are nasty little things and they hurt.

Jeremy
04-24-2009, 10:15 PM
I make up words all the time. It comes with the territory of writing fantasy though.

I often look to different cultures in our history that closely resembles the feel and sound of the culture in my story and use their words for inspiration. I try to limit this though, because it gets hard for me to keep track of everything. So I stick to only naming major things as much as possible. Yet, it still adds up, but I love the uniqueness it brings to my world.

jillianburks
04-25-2009, 12:02 AM
I absolutly love making up words, but the thing that bothers me is when my beta readers have them circled saying "no such word." I don't believe writers are bound by any law- think shakesphere! We should all get together and make up our own dictionary!

Tanya Egan Gibson
04-25-2009, 03:21 AM
I LOVE neologisms. (I have a number of them in my novel. One character in particular is known for making up his own words.) I think the key is to use them judiciously, since they do call attention to themselves.

djf881
04-25-2009, 03:34 AM
I generally find it annoying.

If you're going to do it right, do it like Tolkien, which means you have to become a linguist and then invent your own language from scratch.

If you want to do it badly, you can have your fantasy characters spout gibberish with obvious Latin roots.

Giving a character a weird name is probably okay, but making up words is really dangerous.

Kaylee
04-25-2009, 03:38 AM
My made up words are names. My spell check goes crazy over them.

Life is what happens, while your busy making other plans. -- John Lennon

scarletpeaches
04-25-2009, 03:45 AM
I make up words all the time. My friends know me well enough to understand without me having to explain most of the time. You just have to take them in context.

And if I - we - can make up words, why not our characters?

The Lonely One
04-25-2009, 03:50 AM
Me make up English words? That's unpossible!

scarletpeaches
04-25-2009, 03:51 AM
Me make up English words? That's unpossible!

Sorry, chummy, someone's already done that one.

Kitty Pryde
04-25-2009, 03:57 AM
yeah, unpossible is a perfectly cromulent word.

scarletpeaches
04-25-2009, 04:00 AM
Now you're just talking bulftwozzle.

Izz
04-25-2009, 04:00 AM
shakesphereHey, i think you just made up a word ;) and a very SF-type word at that...

RavenCorinnCarluk
04-25-2009, 05:57 AM
Making up words is awesome. Like, Stephen Colbert has truthiness. Stephen Fry once called something a "smashing bit of YouTubery". Hell, even Google is becoming part of the vernacular. "I'm going to Google that."

Although, if you are going to make up a word, I think there should be a reason to it, not just to have some filler. Like, if some character is talking in the fantasy language, it probably isn't necessary to actually type out the line of foreign words. But if it's key to the character, like someone who always slips back into their native tongue when angry, it can help out.

And, there is also the poetic aspect of it. It's sometimes just plain pretty to make up or mash together a word. (Although, thunderscars makes me think more of fat thighs laced with scar tissue. But I'm weird.)

NightOwl
04-25-2009, 06:17 AM
There's a really good book by Orson Scott Card called How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy. With a whole section dedicated to his take on world creation.

There's a part in it where he suggests that you don't make up words for the sake of words (unless its the character says in dialogue.) If it looks like a rabbit and acts like a rabbit, don't call it a Mufflepuff. Otherwise it will confuse most readers. Use made up words for things/ideas/acts/etc that don't have an equivalent in our own.

I don't have the book with me but I can get better examples when I'm home.

Been following a lot of his ideas and has really helped with the readability of my stories.

Ken Schneider
04-25-2009, 05:32 PM
I do make up words in my novels. It adds mystery and a want to know for the reader as they anticipate what the word means.

In my current novel/ms, a man calls two boys (kittlebunks).

What's a kittlebunk you ask, I have an idea, or several, but we'll let the story define it a little later on.

witchunter88
04-26-2009, 03:09 AM
I've definitely done this before. Thankfully MS word has a word check feature.

The Lonely One
04-26-2009, 05:27 AM
Sorry, chummy, someone's already done that one.

You're a done that one,

(Warning: inbred, hick, redneck, yeehaw down-south Gumbo style Everglades boatride word straight from the alligator backwaters of south Florida word incoming--)

dad-nab-gum-it!

Juliette Wade
04-27-2009, 09:14 AM
Fortunately, you can make up words well and still not have to invent an entire language. It will work as long as the words you have are consistent with one another and follow natural language rules.

Sure, it helps to be a linguist (I say, speaking as one! :) )

But it's not necessary.