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cursedsillycause
09-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Despite being born in the states, I did not learn proper English until kindergarten because I spoke only my mother tongue at home. I learned to read at age four. When I started school, even though I couldn't understand English, I could read it effortlessly. When kindergarten began, I felt betrayed by my parents. I was so cut off from the real world, and didn't know I'd have so much catching up to do. I picked up the language quickly, and melodramatically declared to my parents that I'd never speak anything other than English again.

Over the years, I became very confident in my writing. I knew I'd wanted to be a writer. I started writing for my school newspaper in the 5th grade, and even wrote my first short story that same year-- a mystery about kids stranded on an island, that I later found out I might have unconsciously lifted the premise from an old Scooby Doo episode.

In the 7th grade, I distributed a 19-page, nonsensical, self-indulgent rant on race, popculture, religion and politics to my entire school. I was very confident in what I was saying, and felt that my thoughts on how "women shouldn't drape themselves in clothing to be modest-- modestly comes from within" and I didn't mind being the rebel at a predominantly Muslim school. In 8th grade, I wrote another diatribe - this time about "media indoctrination" and "beauty myth." Again, very confident in my skills and my message.

Then something happened. I stopped showing people what I wrote, and became very self-critical. In the tenth grade, I burned a book of my poems-- poems I had been writing since middle school. They no longer reflected who I was. I was becoming very dark in both mood, and interests. I started listening to punk rock almost exclusively, and cut my hair, and exchanged YA for books like White Teeth, and Mysterious Skin, and rather than producing new poems, I stopped all together.

I tranferred out of the the K-12 school I had been attending, and into a more mainstream high school, and met a wonderful lady who told me I was a born writer, and that I should consider joining the spoken word team, so I did. I wasn't good at it, but I enjoyed it, and I met some amazing people - many of which I still keep in contact with - because of it. And more than anything, it broke my writer's block, and I really liked my new material. I soon filled up a pocket moleskine book with original poems, and songs.

After the cancellation of Joan of Arcadia, I decided I wanted to write TV and movies. All of the script writing books I borrowed from the library or bought, and all of the help websites like AW I had read, did not help me in the least bit with my first script. I thought it was very high-concept, but it was just boring, and nothing on the this earth could salvage it. I buried it.

The wonderful lady I mentioned earlier gave be a thick leather journal (400 pages of so). I''ve filled about half of it with poems and songs. I recently reviewed it and realized out of the 50+ poems, and songs I only am really confident, and absolutely love 13.

I like everything I write to stand the test of time. If I review it a month, or a year later, and think it's absolute rubbish, I throw it out, and don't look back. Of the 13 poems/songs I love, six I wrote at 18 (pre-June), five I wrote at 19 (recently), and two I wrote at age 15 and 17. This indicates that, in time, my writing matured enough for me to like it. Am I 100% confident in my writing? No, and I don't want to ever be. I think my writing would suffer greately if I thought I was the next Zadie Smith when it comes to novel writing or Suzanne Vega when it comes to song-writing. I am not.

This year, I wrote a number of short stories, and attempted my second full-length screenplay until I realized I should just stick to novel writing. An idea that I believe is genius, and original came to me last month, and although the muse isn't in me to commit to churning out pages just now, ideas are coming to me every day, and I've outlined the story. This is the first time I've felt like I know my characters inside and out. Even in my failed screenplay, I didn't know my characters, and had no affinity for the story.

Also, for the first time, it's not remotely YA, and I'm not writing in first person. I've decided to challenge myself and write it in omniscient third person because I would not be able to explore every sub-plot, or character POV otherwise. I think all of the years I wrote exclusively in first person was an indication of my inexperience. I still think I don't have the skill level to write in anything but first person, but I am challenging myself nonetheless.

This post is much longer than I intended. I guess what I'm trying to say is: confidence is important, but never get too comfortable? I don't really remember why I set out to write this post.

backslashbaby
09-28-2009, 10:58 AM
In the 7th grade, I distributed a 19-page, nonsensical, self-indulgent rant on race, popculture, religion and politics to my entire school.

Hee hee. I love that.


On omni, I've heard - and can imagine why - that trying to explore every POV can be an undisciplined reason to use it. It's great to hear folks interested in omni, though, because it's a favorite of mine.

cursedsillycause
09-28-2009, 11:25 AM
On omni, I've heard - and can imagine why - that trying to explore every POV can be an undisciplined reason to use it. It's great to hear folks interested in omni, though, because it's a favorite of mine.

I'm trying to learn, and grasp omni. I'm not skilled in omni, and I'd like to write prettier prose one day.

kaitie
09-28-2009, 11:44 AM
Eh, I decided that I didn't respond right to this after reading through what you said again. ;) I misread the main point haha.

cursedsillycause
09-28-2009, 12:47 PM
Eh, I decided that I didn't respond right to this after reading through what you said again. ;) I misread the main point haha.

Yeah, I read your original post, and was wondering if you got my point. LOL, it happens.

kaitie
09-28-2009, 01:08 PM
Sorry about that. :) I completely misread something and I actually agree completely with what you said. I just read it wrong haha.

Raphee
09-28-2009, 02:41 PM
I see where you're coming from.

But I'd say that every POV first, 3rd ltd, or omni has their own difficulties.
However, be careful with omni. I tried it in my last MS, and found, after finishing my first draft, that it is a pretty difficult skill for a new writer.
At the same time, I would never want to discourage you from trying, who knows, perhaps you are the next Zadie Smith.

kaitie
09-28-2009, 07:16 PM
I wonder if some people are more apt to be a particular tense than others. If it might be a personality trait, I mean. For instance, I typically find it much easier to write first-person than third. I've known other people who write only in third and never do first. Kind ofa n interesting question now that I'm thinking about it.

RG570
09-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Look, you probably will never feel totally confident. I don't think anyone really does.

Also consider though that a lot of the time very mediocre people end up doing great things, and it's only because they have the ability to totally ignore that feeling, keep going, and nothing more.

Suck it up and keep writing.

Libbie
09-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Wow -- you were more melodramatic than your average teen, I think! (That's a good thing -- I think melodramatic teens are interesting.) I'm glad you found somebody to kick your butt back into writing. And I COMPLETELY agree with you that confidence is crucial to writing well. Most people on this forum seem to disagree, but I hear ya.

Libbie
09-28-2009, 09:07 PM
And, of course, never being too comfortable is equally important as confidence. We should always be self-critiquing, and looking for ways to improve.

Phaeal
09-28-2009, 11:04 PM
I think of omniscient as being from the author's POV. In the best omniscient writing, that author/narrator's voice is as strong as the voice of any other character; in fact, the narrator becomes a character, a god oracular or chatty or anything in between. See Thackerey's personification of Vanity Fair's omniscient narrator as the Puppetmaster, for one good example.

Note: A novel with multiple third person POVs is not necessarily omniscient. It can be third person limited, with multiple POV characters, in which case there is no "controlling" outside narrator. In this case, each POV change should be clearly set off by a new chapter or new chapter section.

Lady Ice
09-28-2009, 11:26 PM
Love Vanity Fair

Matera the Mad
09-29-2009, 08:08 AM
Good story :)

Cliff Face
09-29-2009, 10:34 AM
Growing up I always used 3rd person omni. I found it was the only way I could really express myself, so I guess I'm a 3rd-omni kind of guy...

Meanwhile, I do understand that there are certain techniques that are much easier to write in 1st person. So for me, deciding which POV to write in is like trying to get the flavour of the book before it's written, and deciding what percentage needs to be 3rd, or 1st, and then just choosing whichever has the highest percentage.

I was considering rewriting my MS from scratch and putting it in 1st instead of 3rd, but I've since decided that it must work better as 3rd omni, if only for the fact that the second book in the saga is most definitely a 3rd omni kind of book.

In the end, though, I want to be proficient at all POVs. :)