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Idkwiaowiw
12-04-2009, 04:31 AM
Is it possible to write a book in first person and still have beautiful language within the novel, or does it make the characters sound unrealistic? I love poetic writing, but the main characters in my new book seem to be begging me to write them in first person (it's a multiple POV book.) Help?
Is it possible to write a book in first person and still have beautiful language within the novel, or does it make the characters sound unrealistic? I love poetic writing, but the main characters in my new book seem to be begging me to write them in first person (it's a multiple POV book.) Help?
I ALWAYS try to write poetically. I ALWAYS write first person. I have no idea why you're asking this question. I don't see POV having ANYTHING to do with a propensity to write poetically. The two are not related, IMHO.
IceCreamEmpress
12-04-2009, 04:45 AM
First person writing has to be authentic for the character who's speaking.
If your character scorns poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that. If your character embraces poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that.
First person writing has to be authentic for the character who's speaking.
If your character scorns poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that. If your character embraces poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that.
That makes sense. I think I'm just blindingly poetic. I wasn't really comprehending the question...but I see it better through your answer.
Cassiopeia
12-04-2009, 04:57 AM
I have always been told my writing is pretty poetic. Depending on the genre, not the POV. I think first person can be very powerful given the genre. As for poetic, if it's literary, I'd prefer first person.
JamieFord
12-04-2009, 05:00 AM
Try really really really close 3rd person and see if that doesn't do it just as well.
Another thing to think about when writing lyrically, is that it isn't always about linguistic jujitsu, not just about the arrangement of the words. It can be less about the prose and more about the beauty, anguish, tension, etc of what's happening.
I think Sherman Alexie writes that way all the time. Feels very lyrical, but also rather minimal.
Cliff Face
12-04-2009, 05:05 AM
Setting can also be a gateway to poetic first person. I mean, the first thing that came to mind was, "Is this going to be a high fantasy or something similar?" because then you can easily justify writing a poetic book in first person... it's just that kind of world.
As for if it's mainstream, then poetic first person COULD be a little jarring to some readers, but there's always that rule of thumb, (paraphrasing) "If it works, break any rule you want." So who cares if the way I'd do it might be jarring, you're a whole other person! (I know, shocking!)
Go for it if it's what you really want to write.
Idkwiaowiw
12-04-2009, 05:42 AM
First person writing has to be authentic for the character who's speaking.
If your character scorns poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that. If your character embraces poetic self-expression, then your writing needs to reflect that.
Ahh, that's what I was thinking, too. Most of the characters don't like poetry or poetic sentences, so it would be odd to have them think that way, or in that form.
Idkwiaowiw
12-04-2009, 05:43 AM
Try really really really close 3rd person and see if that doesn't do it just as well.
I was just thinking about that. Thank you. :)
kaitie
12-04-2009, 12:48 PM
I had a really pretentious character once who spoke in a lot of big words. It wasn't necessarily flowery, but definitely more descriptive than most first person things. Potentially annoying for a reader, though it was just very much who he was. He had a Fraser Crane sort of ego lol.
So yeah, depends on the character. Though, I have to ask...why do you want poetic? (editing to clarify I'm not saying it's bad or good, just wondering how it all fits together with the story.)
Also, wanted to say that from my absolutely knowing nothing about your story perspective, it sounds almost like you're looking to have the same type of voice throughout. That's what I'm wondering I guess. Do you have a third person voice that you want to match to the first person one? In that case, I'd probably have to vote as well with sticking to third. Actually, with multiple POV in general, I typically would suggest sticking to third lol. Bit easier on the reader, I think. :)
Poetic expression that sounds out of place in First Person is going to feel equally unrealistic in Third Person. Whether it's dialog, internals, narrative -- whatever -- the competence and appropriateness of the 'poetic expression' is going to determine whether the reader buys into this as a voice. Not the POV it lands in.
What you might do is maybe post a thousand words in SYW and see what folks say. The, 'is my poetic voice working?' consideration should probably precede the, 'what's the best POV to showcase this poetic voice?' question.
Libbie
12-04-2009, 09:40 PM
Is it possible to write a book in first person and still have beautiful language within the novel, or does it make the characters sound unrealistic? I love poetic writing, but the main characters in my new book seem to be begging me to write them in first person (it's a multiple POV book.) Help?
Lolita. Read Vladimir Nabokov (all of his stuff, though not all of it is in first) to see just how poetic you can get with first person.
theantisplice
12-04-2009, 11:54 PM
I think it's very possible, as long as the poetic language is appropriate to the narrating character and it doesn't distract from the story.
Fredster
12-04-2009, 11:58 PM
I don't mean to sound all dumb, but can someone give a few examples of "poetic writing"? I'm thinking it's not like Dr. Seuss or The Man from Nantucket.
Idkwiaowiw
12-05-2009, 04:40 AM
So yeah, depends on the character. Though, I have to ask...why do you want poetic? (editing to clarify I'm not saying it's bad or good, just wondering how it all fits together with the story.)
Oh jeez. Is it horrible to say "just because it's more of my style"?? I've switched countless times to different voices, different sounds, but this poetic voice is the one I always come back to in the end. It's the hardest and the easiest for me.
Cliff Face
12-05-2009, 06:53 AM
Off topic, but Idkwiaowiw, does your name stand for: I don't know who I am or what I want ??
It's been bugging the hell out of me. ;)
kaitie
12-05-2009, 08:18 AM
Oh jeez. Is it horrible to say "just because it's more of my style"?? I've switched countless times to different voices, different sounds, but this poetic voice is the one I always come back to in the end. It's the hardest and the easiest for me.
No, that's fine, but in this case I'd recommend having the whole thing done in third so you can hold the same style and voice throughout. It might be possible to do, but for me, first person should typically have it's own individual voice based on the character. I know it's typically possible to tell who's writing a book no matter what perspective it's told from, but I do think the hardest part of first-person is managing to write in the voice of the character. It's not easy for a lot of people (for me it's actually easier than third, oddly enough), but if you stick to third you should be okay. :) Just my two cents.
Not_Laura
12-05-2009, 08:48 AM
I don't mean to sound all dumb, but can someone give a few examples of "poetic writing"? I'm thinking it's not like Dr. Seuss or The Man from Nantucket.
A few random examples, Fredster...
"Into that wet vault I take a step. A hand; a bearded face; the smell of whiskey; another hand. My motionless shoes turn cold-- no, wet. A vagrant wave wallops against the pier like a blanket someone shakes out during spring cleaning."
"'Lady please help me oh please take me to the hospital, lady...' Her voice was a mixture of overripe peaches and doorchimes; she was the age of my daughter, running along the woody curves of Van Duzer Street."
"If pink has a taste, it tastes of lipstick. Beeswax, a slight sweetness, suggestive of a yet unsampled flower. I wander a wide field of blossoms, alighting on upturned face after upturned face. Every sip strengthens me, I drink what’s sweet in living."
kuwisdelu
12-05-2009, 08:53 AM
Of course you can.
It does have to fit the character, yes.
But of course you can.
Lolita. Read Vladimir Nabokov (all of his stuff, though not all of it is in first) to see just how poetic you can get with first person.
And The Great Gatsby by Fitzgerald.
Idkwiaowiw
12-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Off topic, but Idkwiaowiw, does your name stand for: I don't know who I am or what I want ??
It's been bugging the hell out of me. ;)
I don't know who I am or what I want. Yes, you got it correct!
Idkwiaowiw
12-05-2009, 09:56 AM
No, that's fine, but in this case I'd recommend having the whole thing done in third so you can hold the same style and voice throughout. It might be possible to do, but for me, first person should typically have it's own individual voice based on the character. I know it's typically possible to tell who's writing a book no matter what perspective it's told from, but I do think the hardest part of first-person is managing to write in the voice of the character. It's not easy for a lot of people (for me it's actually easier than third, oddly enough), but if you stick to third you should be okay. :) Just my two cents.
Okay, thank you very much!
Cliff Face
12-05-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't know who I am or what I want. Yes, you got it correct!
I am the acronym sleuth whoo. :D
Fredster
12-05-2009, 06:43 PM
A few random examples, Fredster...
Thank you. :)
Lady Ice
12-05-2009, 07:17 PM
Is it possible to write a book in first person and still have beautiful language within the novel, or does it make the characters sound unrealistic? I love poetic writing, but the main characters in my new book seem to be begging me to write them in first person (it's a multiple POV book.) Help?
Try writing in close third. It would look pretty false writing in an overtly poetic style from first person unless the character is artistic or particularly observant.
Melville
12-06-2009, 12:29 AM
Good examples! But in my opinion the best example of a poetical first person narrative is Styron's CONFESSIONS OF NAT TURNER... a lush, exquisite, disturbing and Pulitzer-prize winning novel deserving of all its accolades.
At the time of its publication it was criticized for having prose that was too beautiful to belong to an illiterate slave but the idea that the soul, and the thoughts that spring from it, can be highly literate and poetic is a wonderful one.
Lady Ice
12-06-2009, 11:37 PM
I don't mean to sound all dumb, but can someone give a few examples of "poetic writing"? I'm thinking it's not like Dr. Seuss or The Man from Nantucket.
I call it lyrical writing. Lyrical writing makes use of heightened description to convey emotions and atmosphere: 'The night sky felt like looming death, pressing down on John's weary body.' Lyrical writing is about your typical poetic subjects: love, death, nature and tragedy. Emotion is heightened and if done well it can be intense and effective. Done badly, it looks pretentious.
Raphee
12-08-2009, 12:30 PM
Lolita. Read Vladimir Nabokov (all of his stuff, though not all of it is in first) to see just how poetic you can get with first person.
Great example.
Also, Humbert has the proper characterization, being a professor, European, regards himself 'upper' class, etc to express his thoughts poetically.
And possibly, Lolita has the best opening lines I have read in a novel.
Lady Ice
12-08-2009, 11:52 PM
Great example.
Also, Humbert has the proper characterization, being a professor, European, regards himself 'upper' class, etc to express his thoughts poetically.
And possibly, Lolita has the best opening lines I have read in a novel.
Indeed. You have to service the character and not just your natural inclination as a writer to use elaborate ways of saying things.
Personally, I find it easier to write poetically in first person.
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