Creepy?

[Blackheart]

http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/06/us/06rumsfeld_lg.jpg

[billythrilly7th]

He looks a little like the preacher from Poltergeist II...

"You're all gonna die in there!"

The line works too for some.

ETA: ah...i guess he doesn't look like him, but I got the same feel...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/poltergeistmovie/clip2d.gif

[Blackheart]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/22/fondue_marathonman_wideweb__430x240.jpg

[Unique]

And they say cats don't have lips. Bah!

[Liam Jackson]

I can say he reminds me of the Grinch without the benefit of graphics. ;)

[rtilryarms]

BH

Why don't you post your pick for Secratary of Defense. And a short strategy as to what he or she would do given the same responsibility as Rumsfield was given under the same circumstances?

[gromhard]

http://www.suckadelic.com/images/page%20elements/SuperVillains%20files/Portraits/Skeletor.jpg

Republicans just LOOK evil.

[Shadow_Ferret]

Was this thread really necessary? I get it. You guys don't like Rumsfeld. Or the rest of this administration. Do we need 100 threads about it though?

[Bravo]

Was this thread really necessary? I get it. You guys don't like Rumsfeld. Or the rest of this administration. Do we need 100 threads about it though?

"like" is too nice a word.

he disgusts me.

[zarch]

I could probably run this same exercise with Madeleine Albright, Janet Reno, or Al Sharpton...

But I'm too nice.

[rtilryarms]

"like" is too nice a word.

he disgusts me.

OK, same question for all:

Why don't you post your pick for Secratary of Defense. And a short strategy as to what he or she would do given the same responsibility as Rumsfield was given under the same circumstances?

[robeiae]

OK, same question for all:

Why don't you post your pick for Secratary of Defense. And a short strategy as to what he or she would do given the same responsibility as Rumsfield was given under the same circumstances?Once again, a vile conservative rises up in defense of an even more vile conservative and attempts to silence well-reasoned, deep, and valid criticisms and opinions of a known scumbag, fairly offered by those of us on the left.

The revolution will be broadcast! No more war! Death to all tyrants! Up Eros, down Mars! All the best cowboys have Chinese eyes!

[Shadow_Ferret]

"like" is too nice a word.

he disgusts me.

Either way, posting a pic with the caption of "Eww, creepy" is rather juvenile, don't you think? At least for TIO. Where's the thought-provoking, controversial discussion?

This would have been better served as a "Caption this photo" in OP.

[Soccer Mom]

Maybe I'm missing the point? An old, tired man who looks like an old, tired man? Umm? The secretary of defense should be grinning and cutting up at all times during a war instead of looking grim?

I don't get the point. Sorry.

Show me some pictures of Hollywood Babes caught without make-up or their hair done. Now THAT's entertainment.

[Shadow_Ferret]

Maybe I'm missing the point? An old, tired man who looks like an old, tired man? Umm? The secretary of defense should be grinning and cutting up at all times during a war instead of looking grim?

I don't get the point. Sorry.


He looks like my father-in-law. Grumpy that he has to deal with the grandkids.

[zarch]

He looks like my father-in-law. Grumpy that he has to deal with the grandkids.

Hey, yeah, you're right!

[Sheryl Nantus]

Leslie Nielson.

I *wuv* that man.

rent "Men with Brooms" - it's a classic!

and his brother's a Senator already!

:D

[Shadow_Ferret]

Hey, yeah, you're right!
You know him too, huh? :)

[zarch]

Um, my father-in-law, I mean.

[zarch]

Or maybe we share a father in law.

[Shadow_Ferret]

I don't think you'd want to.

[Bravo]

OK, same question for all:

Why don't you post your pick for Secratary of Defense. And a short strategy as to what he or she would do given the same responsibility as Rumsfield was given under the same circumstances?

unfortunately, been there done that too many times.

but here's a cliff notes version:

take a look at everything rumsfield & co have done since 9/11.

and then look at the constitution.

look at the geneva conventions.

and look at the UN Human Rights Charter.

and then follow something that doesnt break those laws and commitments and youll have someone who is actually defending this nation.

thank you.



and just in case you want to argue that the ends justify the means here's just a few of the mistakes (read blatant lies and criminal acts) he's made and done since he's been in power:

http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/


and hows this?

In a sworn statement to the inspector general, [Lt. Gen. Randall] Schmidt described Rumsfeld as “personally involved” in the interrogation and said that the defense secretary was “talking weekly” with Miller.

Rumsfeld developed an interrogation plan that required the Gitmo detainee to “stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash.”

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/14/rummy/?source=whitelist

and a nice sum up quote:

According to Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, in 2003, Rumsfeld said “he would fire the next person” who talked about the need for a post-war plan. “The secretary of defense continued to push on us that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we’re going to take out the regime, and then we’re going to leave,” Scheid said. “We won’t stay.”



yea he's a regular war hero.

[Shadow_Ferret]

How about someone who actually has a defense background and understands things like troop strengths and body armor and preparedness and simple things like that?

yea he's a regular war hero.

Was he?

[dclary]

Was this thread really necessary? I get it. You guys don't like Rumsfeld. Or the rest of this administration. Do we need 100 threads about it though?

Would you seriously deny Blacky ANYTHING to post on? That's just mean.

[dclary]

Rumsfeld developed an interrogation plan that required the Gitmo detainee to “stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash.”

I have the audio tape of what actually happened here.

RUMMY
What's this? Madame Zora left me a note? She knows she cant send me stuff here. What if the press sees? Oh man, this makes me feel so dirty!

/reads

RUMMY
Holy cow. I've got a boner the shape and size of tennessee. Man, I can't wait until I see her again and she does all this to...

CONDALEEZE RICE enters the room

CONDIE
Hey Rummy.

RUMMY
Oh! Uh. Hi! Hi, Condie, er. Um. Let me just adjust my, uh, pants here. Sorry.

CONDIE
What's that you got, Rummy?

RUMMY
Oh, uh. Jeez. It's nothing. Nothing, ok?

CONDIE
Lemme see! Come on!

RUMMY
It's just, oh give me that! Um.

CONDIE
What IS this?

RUMMY
It's uh, a new interrogation technigue? I, um, developed for gitmo?

CONDIE
Keep up the good work, Rummy. I, uh, can see you're very excited about defending America.

[Shadow_Ferret]

Would you seriously deny Blacky ANYTHING to post on? That's just mean.

I was just considering Jenna's cost in terms of space and hit counts. :)

We could just have one continuous anti-Bush administration thread and that would serve the same purpose as 100 separate ones. ;)

[dclary]

I think between William Haskins, myself, Blackheart, and a poster who is welcome neither here nor there anymore we must have cost Done Deal over a thousand dollars in bandwidth in October-November 2004.

[Papa'sLiver]

Was this thread really necessary? I get it. You guys don't like Rumsfeld. Or the rest of this administration. Do we need 100 threads about it though?

Well, do we need a 100 threads started by Clary about the Dems, or how greatly misunderstood the Reps and Bush are?

[rtilryarms]

unfortunately, been there done that too many times.



Excellent! Do you mind directing me to that post? I must have missed it. The rest of your post did not address it.

I just want some direction from the people posting these complaining thread. If I don't trust Rummy, who should I be campaigning for?

[Shadow_Ferret]

Well, do we need a 100 threads started by Clary about the Dems, or how greatly misunderstood the Reps and Bush are?

No, we don't need that either. If you thought I was complaining on a partisan basis, you're incorrect.

[dclary]

Well, do we need a 100 threads started by Clary about the Dems, or how greatly misunderstood the Reps and Bush are?

Yes.

Duh.

[robeiae]

For thread starts, I've got it about 4 to 3 in favor of the left. And I'm being generous...

[billythrilly7th]

I think between William Haskins, myself, Blackheart, and a poster who is welcome neither here nor there anymore we must have cost Done Deal over a thousand dollars in bandwidth in October-November 2004.

Election season separates the Professional Boarders from the wannabees.

And election seasons are always tough on the family, but luckily my wife and children are very understanding and realize I have a greater responsibility than they can even fathom.

They know that it's my job to fight for truth, justice and the American way along with great Americans such as their Uncle David.

God bless the children.

[English Dave]

Excellent! Do you mind directing me to that post? I must have missed it. The rest of your post did not address it.

I just want some direction from the people posting these complaining thread. If I don't trust Rummy, who should I be campaigning for?


http://www.cinema-stars.com/FamkeJanssen/images/2.jpg

[Papa'sLiver]

No, we don't need that either. If you thought I was complaining on a partisan basis, you're incorrect.

I didn't.

[dclary]

I didn't.

He was seriously just trying to keep me from posting 100 Repubby threads.

[blacbird]

Maybe I'm missing the point? An old, tired man who looks like an old, tired man? Umm? The secretary of defense should be grinning and cutting up at all times during a war instead of looking grim?

I don't get the point. Sorry.

It's just, some of us can recall how much time he spent grinning and being a smartass in front of reporters back in March 2003, after the "Shock and Awe", the days of his buddy Cheney's famous quote about how "we will be greeted as liberators". About the time Rumsy dismissed the looting of Baghdad as "untidiness".

Odd how he doesn't smile so much anymore, despite the fact that his Secretary of State partner said a year or so ago that the war was in its "eleventh hour".

That's the point.

caw.

[Shadow_Ferret]

the days of his buddy Cheney's famous quote about how "we will be greeted as liberators".

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?

But after several years, the bloom has left the rose.

[English Dave]

You cultural hobos.

You have no appreciation of the poetry of Rumsfeld.

As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.



Thankyou.

[Blackheart]

BH

Why don't you post your pick for Secratary of Defense. And a short strategy as to what he or she would do given the same responsibility as Rumsfield was given under the same circumstances?

Why?

[Blackheart]

Was this thread really necessary? I get it. You guys don't like Rumsfeld. Or the rest of this administration. Do we need 100 threads about it though?

whine much?

[rtilryarms]

Why?

I thought so.

[Blackheart]

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?

But after several years, the bloom has left the rose.

Clueless much? That dragging down of Saddam's statue was a proven propaganda stunt


http://www.iraqfact.com/zpic_saddam_statue.html

[Blackheart]

I thought so.

congratulations. It's always nice when a wingnut gives thinking a chance

[English Dave]

Clueless much? That dragging down of Saddam's statue was a proven propaganda stunt


http://www.iraqfact.com/zpic_saddam_statue.html

Well...I still think he was a bit of a cvnt though.

There are bigger cvnts in the world who might actually bear invading. That's what annoys me. I don't like this war. We Brits have a long and proud history of giving deserving Johnny Foreigner what for! Iraq? meh!

[gromhard]

I was just considering Jenna's cost in terms of space and hit counts. :)

We could just have one continuous anti-Bush administration thread and that would serve the same purpose as 100 separate ones. ;)

Then ****ing donate some money Shadow Ferret, if you're so worried about Jenna's pocketbook. Donate to the board, buy or help sell some of her books. Write her a personal check. Don't just try to silence anti-Rumsfeld sentiments by throwing Jenna up there as an excuse.

Makes me sick. Repubs hide behind anything and anyone. "Oh don't talk bad about Rumsfeld, it'll demoralize the troops, it'll give aid and comfort to the enemy, it'll cost Jenna some money."

[Blackheart]

gone down the memory hole

[gromhard]

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?

But after several years, the bloom has left the rose.

Go read a newspaper once in a while.

[Shadow_Ferret]

Don't just try to silence anti-Rumsfeld sentiments by throwing Jenna up there as an excuse.

Makes me sick. Repubs hide behind anything and anyone. "Oh don't talk bad about Rumsfeld, it'll demoralize the troops, it'll give aid and comfort to the enemy, it'll cost Jenna some money."

I wasn't trying to silence anything. Get a grip. If you've got some anti-Rumsfeld sentiments express them. I think I expressed some of my own if you were paying attention.

I was complaining about a childish picture with an equally childish caption of "Creepy." THAT to me is a waste of space.

[Blackheart]

dclarypic deleted for the better of mankind

[Shadow_Ferret]

Go read a newspaper once in a while.

I do. I guess I need an extreme left wing interpretor to show me your side of things though.

[Papa'sLiver]

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?

But after several years, the bloom has left the rose.

Yeah, I saw that. I think it turned out to be a big photo op, but whatev.

[Blackheart]

I wasn't trying to silence anything. Get a grip. If you've got some anti-Rumsfeld sentiments express them. I think I expressed some of my own if you were paying attention.

I was complaining about a childish picture with an equally childish caption of "Creepy." THAT to me is a waste of space.

it wasn't a caption. I do captions. that was hardly a caption

[billythrilly7th]

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?


Of course we were regardless of Blackhearts always reliable and unbiased iraqfact.com

We were greeted as heroes and liberators and with flowers.

Then all went to crap once the baathists and quedians and foreign fighters started a ruckus.

We would have gotten away with this war if it wasn't for those pesky jihadists.

[Shadow_Ferret]

it wasn't a caption. I do captions. that was hardly a caption

My apologies. That was the thread title

You actually had no commentary whatsoever.

[English Dave]

I've lost the thread over the last few posts.

Answers on an email to

uglypeoplesuck.com

[Blackheart]

My apologies. That was the thread title

You actually had no commentary whatsoever.


I believe in brevity

[billythrilly7th]

removed picture

Please put...

http://i7.tinypic.com/24d39ly.gif

..in there.

[Blackheart]

the joke is milked, billy. I'm not Tom Greene here

[billythrilly7th]

the joke is milked, billy. I'm not Tom Greene here

It's not about the joke.

It's a personal favor.

Thank you.

[Blackheart]

i'll put you on the list. I have a doctor's appointment in 20 minutes

[Liam Jackson]

Mike- Because you asked:

Sec Defense- C. Powell

Rumsfeld spent three years active duty as a naval aviator. The rest of his military career was spent as a reservist in administrative capacities and as a flight instructor. From there, he embarks on a long, long career in politics. (beginning in 1957 when he first served as a congressional adminstrative assistant.)

Yet, he has repeatedly bucked counsel from the Joint Chiefs and ignored advice from other career military personnel in matters directly related to strategic and tactical operations. His attitude and actions have earned him the enmity of some of the most experienced military leaders (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/14/america/military.php)to have served the US since WWII.

Mr. Rumsfeld has no doubt served during one of the most stressful tenures of any Sec. of Def. since Vietnam. But ignoring the advice of seasoned warrirors such as Colin Powell has not helped his position, nor has it served his country well.

Shadow Ferret- Point taken. Agreed.

[gromhard]

I wasn't trying to silence anything. Get a grip. If you've got some anti-Rumsfeld sentiments express them. I think I expressed some of my own if you were paying attention.

I was complaining about a childish picture with an equally childish caption of "Creepy." THAT to me is a waste of space.

My sentiment is simple: Rumsfeld is SKELETOR!

[Papa'sLiver]

Yeah, everybody came out for it!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8026/194fall2kb8.jpg

[JennaGlatzer]

Guys, knock it off with the giant pictures. I'm sitting here repairing the forums over and over because we're having "issues" again, and it's primarily because we're straining the site resources. These pictures are NOT HELPING and are not necessary. Every time someone opens this thread, it's launching several processes trying to download these photos that have been posted (and even QUOTED-- why?!).

Shadow was dead on.

[JennaGlatzer]

Also: Gromhard is on permanent ban now.

[dclary]

I try not to post BIG pictures, and I make sure to never include a picture in a quote.

Let's not overtax the board folks. Jenna's got diapers and baby chow to pay for too!

[English Dave]

Also: Gromhard is on permanent ban now.

Quite right too. Wanker.

[Blackheart]

Mike- Because you asked:

Sec Defense- C. Powell

Rumsfeld spent three years active duty as a naval aviator. The rest of his military career was spent as a reservist in administrative capacities and as a flight instructor. From there, he embarks on a long, long career in politics. (beginning in 1957 when he first served as a congressional adminstrative assistant.)

Yet, he has repeatedly bucked counsel from the Joint Chiefs and ignored advice from other career military personnel in matters directly related to strategic and tactical operations. His attitude and actions have earned him the enmity of some of the most experienced military leaders (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/14/america/military.php)to have served the US since WWII.

Mr. Rumsfeld has no doubt served during one of the most stressful tenures of any Sec. of Def. since Vietnam. But ignoring the advice of seasoned warrirors such as Colin Powell has not helped his position, nor has it served his country well.

Shadow Ferret- Point taken. Agreed.

rumsfeld is mcnamara 2.0

[Blackheart]

Guys, knock it off with the giant pictures. I'm sitting here repairing the forums over and over because we're having "issues" again, and it's primarily because we're straining the site resources. These pictures are NOT HELPING and are not necessary. Every time someone opens this thread, it's launching several processes trying to download these photos that have been posted (and even QUOTED-- why?!).

Shadow was dead on.


I won't start a protest rally if you delete the thread. didn't mean to screw up the wiring

[rtilryarms]

Liam,

Colin Powell is my first choice too. However, we would have to consider that he would have to follow orders and may actually resign if put in that position in this case.
The position calls for political savvy and Powell would have to do as told while still being persuasive in his ideas. I think he would have a problem in that.

Politics.

[dclary]

I won't start a protest rally if you delete the thread. didn't mean to screw up the wiring

What about drink a protest beer?

I'll join you. Except I won't be protesting. Just drinking beer.

[rtilryarms]

I won't start a protest rally if you delete the thread. didn't mean to screw up the wiring

I think it would ok if the posts were edited, deleting the pictures. Keep the ones pertinent to the original post. You could do that and save us from looking like we are censoring. Bandwidth and throughput is a big cost. It is paid by usage.

[rtilryarms]

What about drink a protest beer?

I'll join you. Except I won't be protesting. Just drinking beer.

I would join

[English Dave]

I think it would ok if the posts were edited, deleting the pictures. Keep the ones pertinent to the original post. You could do that and save us from looking like we are censoring. Bandwidth and throughput is a big cost. It is paid by usage.

Beenz meenz Heinz



That must be worth some rep points? :)

[Liam Jackson]

Liam,

Colin Powell is my first choice too. However, we would have to consider that he would have to follow orders and may actually resign if put in that position in this case.
The position calls for political savvy and Powell would have to do as told while still being persuasive in his ideas. I think he would have a problem in that.

Politics.

Politics identified the objective. Bush wanted Saddam by any means short of tactical nukes or bio-warfare. Rumsfeld's task, as he explains it, was to formulate the 'short-term' strategy, a route he apparently insisted would work. He was, is, and will forever more be unqualified for the task.

While Powell may have found the mission distasteful, though I believe he really wanted another crack at Saddam, he was, is, and forever more will be far more qualified to formulate short and long term strategy, and direct strategic commanders. Yeah, I've used the term "strategy" several times. That should have been the focus of our Sec. of Def. Instead, he stuck his nose into the "tactical" specs of this campaign. Maybe he was ordered to, and maybe not. Personally, the guy comes across as the Clown Prince of all Control Freaks.)

Maybe Powell would have resigned. Rumsfeld should have. I'd have a lot more respect for the man if he had.

[robeiae]

Liam,

Colin Powell is my first choice too. However, we would have to consider that he would have to follow orders and may actually resign if put in that position in this case.
The position calls for political savvy and Powell would have to do as told while still being persuasive in his ideas. I think he would have a problem in that.

Politics.Powell's okay. But there has to be someone better. He was there for the "shock and awe" planning--I don't see any evidence that he tried to dissuade Rumsfeld from that course. In fact, I think they all thought it was something brilliant. And to be fair, the rapid movement in the early days of the war was stunning and impressive. Still, at the end of the day, it was poorly conceived.

If Powell had run the show, do you guys honestly think he would have gone for the saturation bombing and full-scale invasion that was truly needed? Where is Sherman? Hell, at this point I'd settle for Eisenhower.

[blacbird]

If Powell had run the show, do you guys honestly think he would have gone for the saturation bombing and full-scale invasion that was truly needed? Where is Sherman? Hell, at this point I'd settle for Eisenhower.

The "Powell Doctrine" has been clearly stated: When you undertake military intervention, do it with overwhelming force and complete the job. In translation, don't be halfassed about it. He advocated just such an approach, and was trumped by the neocon alliance in the White House, and soon was so marginalized that he found it necessary and desirable to resign. So, yeah, I do think if Powell had run the show he'd have handled it far differently.

caw.

[blacbird]

I'll say it again. We WERE greeted as liberators! Remember them dragging down the statue of Saddam?

But after several years, the bloom has left the rose.

Shadow, the bloom left the rose (if it ever had one) in a matter of days. The Iraqi crowd ripping down the big statue of Daddy Evil was done with nary a U.S. troop in sight as I recall. We weren't greeted at all; they were just happy to have the SOB gone, and that's an unadulterated good thing.

However, that incident was followed immediately by the rampant looting that we made no effort to check, and that Rumsy dismissed sniffily as "untidiness". We now know, of course, that a big part of that looted treasure and equipment got turned into money that has been used to obtain weapons and supplies to the insurgency. Some "untidiness". Some "welcome."

caw.

[robeiae]

The "Powell Doctrine" has been clearly stated: When you undertake military intervention, do it with overwhelming force and complete the job. In translation, don't be halfassed about it. He advocated just such an approach, and was trumped by the neocon alliance in the White House, and soon was so marginalized that he found it necessary and desirable to resign. So, yeah, I do think if Powell had run the show he'd have handled it far differently.I can accept that, though I wasn't in on any of the planning meetings, so I don't know with certainty. But I guess if this was the case, it demonstrates Powell was willing to go along, at least for a while. Of course, he also lacked the power to alter the course of things, so I don't want to sell him short. Not at all.

And like I said, the way it went was a poorly conceived plan, so if Powell would have run it differently, I certainly wish he had been in charge.

Though a part of me thinks he would still have balked at some point--but again, that would still be better than where we're at now.

ETA: I do find the "Powell Doctrine" to be a tad humorous, insofar as it suggests this doctrine is a novel point of view. It's even got it's own Wiki entry!

[rtilryarms]

All good points.
Yes, Powell would have been better than Rumsfeld. Powell is correct that if you are going to do the job, do it right and throw everything you have at it, and get it done. Swiftly.

I am in favor and agreement that the USA would have been better off with this leader.

Does anyone, on any political side disagree?