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Elektra
12-19-2006, 07:36 AM
I thought, rather than continuing to go back and forth in the other thread, we could get a fresh start on the topic here.

I've recently become worried that I don't know my characters as well as I would like, so I've begun expressing their outlooks and emotions through poetry.
For some reason, writing a seperate scene of their lives outside plot just doesn't hasn't worked for me.

I also seem to have trouble in interviews--either I can't ask the right questions or it doesn't feel right because a character (let alone a real person) doesn't just spill their darkest secrets.

If anyone has tips on interviewing characters, mind sharing? I would really like to know! Hence, the bold.

But, yeah, the poetry has been fun and interesting. Also a nice way to get the creative juices flowing.

Just my two Orlando Blooms.


Akuma, I hope you don't mind the quote, but I thought it might be a good jumping off point.

Willowmound
12-19-2006, 07:43 AM
My tip:

Don't try to get to know your characters -- try to be them.

Role play a character in your mind. Try to feel the insides of their shoes. I do this sometimes before going to sleep.

johnzakour
12-19-2006, 07:48 AM
I like to write bios for my characters: where they were born, what their goals are in life, what their hobbies are, what their favorite color is.

Akuma
12-19-2006, 07:49 AM
I thought, rather than continuing to go back and forth in the other thread, we could get a fresh start on the topic here.



Akuma, I hope you don't mind the quote, but I thought it might be a good jumping off point.

Of course I don't mind. It's probably safer out of the war zone, plus a thread people aren't trying to avoid will draw more suggestions.

Thanks for the help, Elektra! :)

AnnieColleen
12-19-2006, 07:58 AM
Just turn them loose to write/speak? Could be as a journal, could be as telling their story (even if the story's not 1st person/they're not the narrator) - not an interview, but just wherever they want to take it, and see what turns up.

The poetry sounds cool!

farfromfearless
12-19-2006, 08:07 AM
My tip:

Don't try to get to know your characters -- try to be them.

Role play a character in your mind. Try to feel the insides of their shoes. I do this sometimes before going to sleep.

There's a lot to be said about role-playing. People use the technique every day to solve crimes, understand human trauma, and in the end understand a fundamental aspect of our own potential. For me, it's about being able to see the world through the eyes of my characters and respond to stimuli as they would (given a basic emotional framework to operate in). So in writing a scene, I tend to visualize it through my character's eyes. How would they react if I did something unexpected. How does it challenge their own beliefs and allow them to grow?

Chumplet
12-19-2006, 08:14 AM
Appearance, history, likes and dislikes are all helpful, but also incorporate little mannerisms that belong only to your character - the way she chews her lip when she's thinking, or the way he rubs his forehead or folds his arms when he's upset.

veinglory
12-19-2006, 08:23 AM
I agree with the idea of 'being' the character. That is why I have never felt comfortable with character descriptions, interviews and so forth. I get a feel for what it is like to be that person. Then I don't need to write down the details because as soon as a situation comes up I immediate know... whatever, how they take their coffee, what type of car the have or how they laugh.

Linda Adams
12-19-2006, 08:28 AM
In the TV series MASH there's an episode where a couple of the characters realize that there's no hope for a relationship between them. They met because of the war, but in the civilian world, they would have never met because they traveled in such different circles (it's the episode with the USO woman who gets appendicitis).

That's kind of where we started with the character development. All these characters who would never otherwise meet are thrown together by the circumstances. They don't like each other, have no reason to trust each other, and then we pile on complication after complication. Personality problems drive them apart, but circumstances drive them together.

One of the hardest characters to characterize was the male hero. We were fishing around trying to characterize him--why he was in the war, the tools he used, where he was from, etc. As it turned out the reason his characterization didn't work was because his role in the story hadn't quite come together. Once we fixed that, his characterization fell into place. Then we put him into conflict with the heroine, using a lot of misunderstandings to ramp up the conflict.

farfromfearless
12-19-2006, 08:30 AM
I can only speak for myself, but if I'm at the point where I need to profile each of my characters through interviews and such, I would hope that I might realize how much I do NOT know my characters and approach it differently.

Which begs the question, what would and FBI profiler make of me? Oh gods.

Willowmound
12-19-2006, 08:36 AM
folds his arms when he's upset.

I can also help having an awareness of typical gender behaviour. For instance, folding ones arms when upset is typical for women, but atypical for men. A man doing this would be exhibiting feminine body language. Be sure those things are inteded.

farfromfearless
12-19-2006, 08:40 AM
I can also help having an awareness of typical gender behaviour. For instance, folding ones arms when upset is typical for women, but atypical for men. A man doing this would be exhibiting feminine body language. Be sure those things are inteded.

This could also be intentionally invoked in the case where the sexual orientation of characters might be expressed through body language and mannerisms.

Edit: and be sure to read to the very last punctuation mark in a post before you reply LOL!

Willowmound
12-19-2006, 08:41 AM
Like I said, be sure it's intentional. :)

karo.ambrose
12-19-2006, 08:43 AM
It might be a really long process, but I discovered who my characters by just writing my story without any idea of who they were at all. I just wrote. They started out as completely blank people with no definition whatsoever, then as I let the story progress, I found out what their motivations and interactions w/ each other were. Then after the first draft, I did a synopsis to uncover how to turn their interactions/motivations into a plot. Hence, my first draft, as I discovered, turned out to be more of an outline and a bunch of backstory than anything else. Then as the first rewrite came around, I used those things I discovered about them in the first, now using their personalities as a means to make a plot. It took me a while, but now all my characters have a complete life of their own.

johnzakour
12-19-2006, 08:48 AM
It might be a really long process, but I discovered who my characters by just writing my story without any idea of who they were at all.

I use to write like that. Only now that I've gotten a bit older and my memory a bit worse I find it's helpful for me to have little character bios around for me to refer to so I keep my characters consistent. These come in really handy for minor characters that I don’t use all the time.

Inkwell
12-19-2006, 09:42 AM
My tip:

Don't try to get to know your characters -- try to be them.

Role play a character in your mind. Try to feel the insides of their shoes. I do this sometimes before going to sleep.

Willowmound, I couldn't have said this better.

Every night before I go to bed, I close my eyes and run through a scene I know I'll be writing soon. I picture my characters in that situation with as little preconcieved ideas about their actions as possible. What I find is that characters really do have gut reactions, and that these actions define their character - not the other way around.

Also, I figure I could never truly define myself with a character survey, so how could I expect to define my characters that way?

PeeDee
12-19-2006, 10:00 AM
I've never done a character survey, nor have I interviewed a character. I only use character notes for serial work where there's a chance that someone else might need to step in and write an episode or two. Even then, it rarely works. Mostly, the characters just turn up, and they have lives and interesting things happen, and they do what they can.

They don't make grand entrances, they don't have Hidden Secret Pasts (well, some of them do, if they warrent it) and mostly, they don't have combat skills. They're just people. They can be extraordinary and interesting people, but they're still just people.

rugcat
12-19-2006, 10:56 AM
Everyone uses different techniques to achieve the same result. It’s a cliche, but it’s true - find whatever works for you. My take: I let my characters define themselves with as little help from me as possible.

The best scenes, the truest emotions, the cleverest plot twists and my most believable characters have come out of nowhere. (Or more likely, my subconscious that’s been trying to get in touch with me.) Gabor Szabo, a Hungarian jazz guitarist, was once asked how he knew when he was playing well. “When I surprise myself,” he reportedly said. When my characters surprise me, I know I’m on the right track. And sometimes, if you just write without trying to plan or think, great things happen.

I never used to believe in characters taking over. I mean, who’s in charge, anyway? But in one of my mysteries, I had an ex-cop, now a PI, trying to get some information about a drugstore robbery out of a cop from another agency. But the cop won’t tell him anything--why should he? Cops don’t divulge information to civilians who walk in. This character was definitely in charge. No matter how I wrote it, it sounded phony

Worse, I had no idea where the information was going to lead. (Often a problem for those of us who wing it.) I kept writing the scene over and over until it sort of worked, but it was never quite right. So the cop eventually tells him he knows who did it, he can’t prove it, but he knows who it was. “Who was it?” asks my guy.

At this point I didn’t have any answer. I had no idea who had robbed the drugstore or why. I stared blankly at the paper for a moment, and then, swear to God, I quickly typed a name without even thinking about it. “Badger Willie.” I stared at what I’d just written in amazement. Of course! Now it all worked, it tied a whole bunch of stuff together, all the loose ends now made perfect sense.. I had literally tied up a complicated plotline without conscious thought. A character in my head actually provided me with the answer I hadn’t known I had.

Sadly, this doesn’t happen often. But it does happen every once in a while, and it’s always without conscious thought, and it always feels utterly right when it does.

Of course, you can’t write a whole book this way - or at least, I can’t. If could, I think I’d be one of those genius writers.

Willowmound
12-19-2006, 11:24 AM
At this point I didn’t have any answer. I had no idea who had robbed the drugstore or why. I stared blankly at the paper for a moment, and then, swear to God, I quickly typed a name without even thinking about it. “Badger Willie.” I stared at what I’d just written in amazement. Of course! Now it all worked, it tied a whole bunch of stuff together, all the loose ends now made perfect sense.. I had literally tied up a complicated plotline without conscious thought. A character in my head actually provided me with the answer I hadn’t known I had.


I love when this happens. It truly feels like magic, or as divine intervention. I don't believe in either, but that's what it feels like.

Cath
12-19-2006, 05:35 PM
Little late, but shifted from the other thread.

I also seem to have trouble in interviews--either I can't ask the right questions or it doesn't feel right because a character (let alone a real person) doesn't just spill their darkest secrets.
No, they don't. Which is why I sometimes find it helpful to act out the roles. I find that by getting into the character's head it helps me understand them better. (Then again I might just be schizophrenic.)

I don't find it easy to discover my characters, like some respondents have suggested. At first, I tend to find them artificial, filled with characteristics I've imposed on them. But as I write them, I find they grow and change beyond what I'd originally constructed. All I can suggest is write, write and write some more.

That said, I'm hardly an expert. I'd really like to hear what others here suggest too.

anodyne
12-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Akuma... just a suggestion, and it may not work very well, but you could write character bios, hand them out to your friends, and then have instant messenger conversations. Sometimes when someone else is playing your character "wrong" it gives you a good idea of how to write them right.

IrishScribbler
12-19-2006, 08:54 PM
Something that works quite well for me is to journal on behalf of a particular character. This has proven incredibly useful in my WIP, in which the protagonist is an avid journaler and a bit private. It's revealed quite a bit about her, and changed some elements of the story to boot!

Shadow_Ferret
12-19-2006, 08:57 PM
I like to write bios for my characters: where they were born, what their goals are in life, what their hobbies are, what their favorite color is.

For one character in my story, who only appears twice in the whole book, I created an entire family tree complete with fathers, brothers, sisters, wives, children that goes all the way back to 1834 when they arrived in America.

imagoodgurl4
12-19-2006, 09:00 PM
I generally create a detailed history of my character's life...but I do it in my head. I never write it down, unless it becomes imperative to the plot...a childhood fear or event. I find they're too complex to jot down everything about them...it's time I think is better spent on the actual story. Just my two cents. :)

anodyne
12-19-2006, 09:04 PM
I generally start by thinking of who I would cast in the roll, from a movie I've seen, or book I've read. I steal other people's similar characters and start writing. After about three chapters, they're nothing like the people they started out being.

Shadow_Ferret
12-19-2006, 09:06 PM
I generally create a detailed history of my character's life...but I do it in my head. I never write it down, unless it becomes imperative to the plot...a childhood fear or event. I find they're too complex to jot down everything about them...it's time I think is better spent on the actual story. Just my two cents. :)

Unless your memory is as bad as mine, or you have many characters you need to keep clear in your head. I have an entire Word file set up like a glossary with all the pertinent information on each character, so all I have to do is open the file to refresh my memory if one character has long hair or another has a scar shaped like Lake Michigan on their hand.

badducky
12-19-2006, 09:13 PM
One thing I've always noticed that seems to be missing from much of the not-so-good books with flat characters: irrationality.

Everyone acts irrationally in their own way. If you have stock characters that act according to their type, they still must act irrationally. Say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Gesture oddly. Get pissed off for the sake of getting pissed off. Like when Nick Carraway says, at the end of that awful fight in the hotel room, "I just realized that today's my birthday. I'm 30 years old" (not the direct quote). An irrational thing to realize and to say, but f-ing brilliant.

imagoodgurl4
12-19-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm only 21, so I've got a pretty good memory. :) Now where did I put my keys....j/k.

anodyne
12-19-2006, 09:18 PM
So am I, but I've noticed a decisive drop in my memory since I got knocked up. Why don't they warn you about that? There are so many things that happen when you're pregnant that suck hard. It's a wonder sometimes that our species continues to procreate at all.

Azure Skye
12-19-2006, 09:28 PM
I had to think about this for a while. When I started my first draft I already had two characters in mind all of the others seemed to show up and take off on their own. Some were easy to write, so easy in fact, that I had a hard time keeping up. After I started writing them I created "personal profile" sheets for them but I can't really say that it has helped me in developing them any further. They seem to doing that on their own.

I just picked Characters & Viewpoint by Orson Scott Card off the shelf and noticed there's a section called Interrogating the Character on page 17. I never tried it but it might work.

Diviner
12-19-2006, 10:21 PM
I am big on family history. I like to know where my characters come from, the kinds of parents and siblings as well as grandparents they had. This is just a beginning, but without that context, they seem thin and artificial to me. I probably waste time working on this, but I enjoy it, though almost none of it gets in the story.

Another thing I do is a personality inventory, a quick MMPI analysis. This I use as a short cut if I get stuck.

The skills my characters have matter a lot. Why and how they developed them seems important, so I try to figure that out.

And I agree that living inside my characters helps, too.

farfromfearless
12-19-2006, 10:34 PM
So am I, but I've noticed a decisive drop in my memory since I got knocked up. Why don't they warn you about that? There are so many things that happen when you're pregnant that suck hard. It's a wonder sometimes that our species continues to procreate at all.

Off Topic:
The lapse in congintive retension allows us (males) to get you (females) knocked up while giving the parties invovled that convenient cop-out of an excuse: "I forgot what it was like whe you were last pregnant."

And yes, I think they do warn you - it's just that, well... you forgot. :D

*searches eBay for medieval armor to withstand inevitable flaying by the opposite sex (read: the wife) *

kdnxdr
12-20-2006, 08:19 AM
I have begun my first story and have no clue as to what length it will actually be, so far I am about 5000 words into the thing. I started with a blank page, however, I perceive myself to be the MC.

I launched off with the idea that my MC is an educated homeless person.

As circumstances, events, characters show up, I react off those.

I have no idea how to write a story, I'm just writing and am enjoying my new passion.

It was be fun to see where it all ends up. More than anything, I'm hoping I learn alot through the process of starting and finishing my first fiction story.

I have one first short story that is a true account of mine and my childrens' encounter with a UFO. I have it posted on OurEcho.com. The title is, An Abrupt Turn. I tried to submit it but either no one was interested in the subject matter or I was trying to submit it in the wrong places. I didn't want it in something about the paranormal or new age. I wrote from a mother's perspective of wanting to protect her children from something that was out of this world. (I personally believe what we saw was our government's.)

Beyondian
12-20-2006, 10:25 AM
In my previous novels, I have written character outlines, usually about one page long. But apart from that, I kinda just write what the characters want. For instance: my second novel had two MCs. Two. But I wrote a scene where the female MC got on a tour bus, and there was a cranky young fella in the back. I don't know how it happened, but he became a major character.
Sometimes, as in the case of a few of my first-person short stories, the character seems to almost write it for me. I know what they would think about certain subjects.
My current novel is a children's book, and I'm doing a lot less outlining than I usually do. All I know about the characters is: Thomas likes music, and is a quiet and thoughtful person. Andrea wants to be a pathologist and is almost constantly locked into her I-Pod. Caleb is bouncy, cheerfu, loves animals, and is afraid of the dark (I don't know why).
But I just know what they would do or think in certain situations.
In the past, i have given my characters quirks or defects as I try to round them out, but mostly they just seem to come naturally.

Oddsocks
12-20-2006, 03:22 PM
I think the 'being your character' idea is important, but only to a point - in a given story, there are only so many characters I'll 'be'. Knowing them is also important, and sometimes that just comes through writing them - there was one character whose personality I had no real idea of until I started writing a scene with him in it, and he developed out of interacting with the other, better defined characters.

Novelist in Paradise
12-20-2006, 04:16 PM
It's interesting to read the replies in threads like this. One realizes that there are as many different ways to approaching writing in all its layers and crannies as there are personalities.

And that really the only *wrong* way to write is the "I'm doing it the right way" method combined with a refusal to experiment and learn from others.

I would add, for writing characters, get to know a bunch of characters. In real life. Or, if you're a private person, watch TV and listen to radio talk shows and read the papers and get into non-fiction biographies and the like.

sunandshadow
12-20-2006, 08:10 PM
From studying personality type theory, personal mythology, archetypes, evolutionary biology, and other psychology, I have come up with my own theory of what types of characters there are and how their 'emotional metabolism' works.

(So I don't worry about details of the character's past or present, but instead try to describe the core person which would be the same in any world.)

Beyondian
12-21-2006, 12:19 AM
Have you ever tried to explain your relationship to your character to a non-writer and had them give you a 'you-sound-completely-insane-and-I-don't-know-what-you're-talking-about' look? I still can't get my mother to understand how my characters relate to me (not that I understand it myself, of course)

Akuma
12-21-2006, 02:01 AM
Have you ever tried to explain your relationship to your character to a non-writer and had them give you a 'you-sound-completely-insane-and-I-don't-know-what-you're-talking-about' look? I still can't get my mother to understand how my characters relate to me (not that I understand it myself, of course)

I couldn't bring myself to do something like that. I have trouble enough as it is with talking about my writing (See: My Story? Oh, well, um... (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40017)).

Besides, even if I had no problem with talking about it, the people I know aren't exactly great for such experiments.

ChaosTitan
12-21-2006, 02:04 AM
Over the last few years, as I write more and more, I found that I have stopped creating characters. They now hop into my brain of their own free will, make themselves comfortable with my muses, and start telling their story. I know exactly what I need to know about them until the moment they feel the need to reveal something new.

Case in point, a secondary character in my co-written series. I knew her mother, knew her current situation, but hadn't a clue as to her father or where he is now. Came to me while brushing my teeth the night we finished writing Book Two. I love that. :)

ellieeve
12-21-2006, 02:16 AM
Hi everyone, Im new here and im just finding my way around so be gentle! I thought id post on this thread cos the way that I grow to know my characters is by writing little bio's about them, not much, just a few lines. I keep a file of characters on my desk so dip into them if I'm writing something new and need a character. I also base some of my characters on actual people although Im obviously careful not to be too descriptive in case they recognise themselves. Its quite theraputic to be honest, if you have a grievence about someone to use them as a character and kill them off.;) Anyway, nice to meet you all! My name is ellie eve.

Akuma
12-21-2006, 04:28 AM
Hi everyone, Im new here and im just finding my way around so be gentle! I thought id post on this thread cos the way that I grow to know my characters is by writing little bio's about them, not much, just a few lines. I keep a file of characters on my desk so dip into them if I'm writing something new and need a character. I also base some of my characters on actual people although Im obviously careful not to be too descriptive in case they recognise themselves. Its quite theraputic to be honest, if you have a grievence about someone to use them as a character and kill them off.;) Anyway, nice to meet you all! My name is ellie eve.

:welcome:Welcome to AW! Thanks for the input!

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