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efreysson
07-06-2007, 05:52 AM
Two of the main characters in my fantasy writings are a man and a woman named Kody and Verana. They have very different backgrounds, many dissimilarities, but both are capable warriors. Once meeting and working together, they quickly gain a certain respect for one another, and may grow closer than that down the line.
What I've started wondering is: Which one of them should really be considered the more dangerous? I'd love to get opinions on it, based on these descriptions.


Kody: He is forty years old, and lived a normal peasant live until age seventeen, when he joined an extremely grisly war, which dragged on for three years. He was originally given a spear, and some basic tutoring in using it, and then thrown into the front lines. After a year of that, and a great deal of fighting, he looted a sabre from a battlefield when the spear broke, and took to using it instead. The more experienced warriors would give him some tips on using it, and the occasional sparring match, but mostly he learned to use it through toe-to-toe fighting in dozens of battles.
After the war Kody was a hardened killer, but also an emotional wreck, having almost gone insane from various horrors (his friends dying, having to resort to cannibalism, the ghastly acts of his enemies...) with a dangerous temper and latent suicidal tendencies. Since then he has lived for twenty years in the most violent city in the world, and finds an outlet for his violent impulses that doesn't bother his conscience, by acting as a vigilante of sorts. He kills those who harm and prey on the innocent, sometimes for payment, sometimes just because he wants to. And while he's capable of great selflessness and compassion towards those he feels deserve it, he can be really nasty towards his enemies, even somewhat sadistic.
Kody has never received any formal sword training, but has tremendous combat experience, finely honed survival instincts, is very resistant to pain, and is generally too angry in battle to feel fear. He hates those who do evil with a passion, and lets it fuel him.
Physically, his stamina isn't as good as it used to be, but he is still quick, strong, and tough enough to really push his limits when needed.


Verana: She is thirty-five years old, was born into a secret order of stealthy warriors, and trained from an early age by one of their sword-masters. She was raised to be very disciplined and duty-conscious, to the point where both are pretty much her defining characteristics. Once Verana hit twenty years she was put in the field, and has spent the last fifteen years doing both reconnaissance and combat missions.
Verana has seen enough ugly and unnatural things for them to take their toll on her mental stamina, but her discipline allows her to push on without it affecting her behaviour much. Verana remains a cool-headed warrior who views her own death in battle as an acceptable part of her duty. The only times her own actions cause her distress is when the greater good, demand she do something that goes against her conscience, such as torturing an enemy. It takes a chunk out of her soul, but duty is god, so she does it anyway.
Verana has nowhere near Kody's combat experience, but still has more than most of her brethren and never hesitates in battle. She is very merciless towards herself, and refuses to indulge in self-pity or go easy on herself. She works hard not to get too upset with her enemies, since anger can cloud the mind.
She is five-foot-ten, fit, with great finesse and speed.

althrasher
07-06-2007, 06:07 AM
First off, congrats on knowing your characters so well!

I'd say "dangerous" would be Kody, but more effective and ruthless would be Verana. She would be easier to "control," but Kody would be easier to manipulate.

In other words...Kody seems like a pile of gunpower. Verana's a hardcore sniper rifle.

Chasing the Horizon
07-06-2007, 06:44 AM
Which would be more dangerous would depend on the situation. Kody's lack of control could prove a fatal flaw in a fight requiring stealth and/or finesse with more involved strategy, but it would give him an advantage over Verana in an out-and-out brawl to the death. Verana's cool-headedness would be an advantage if the enemy had better weapons and/or greater skills, since she could outthink them while fighting. It sounds to me like Verana and Kody working together would be nearly unstoppable.

I would say Kody would be the more dangerous of the two to his allies simply because there are some situations where his lack of control could put the others in danger. Both characters sound pretty lethal to their enemies.

goatprincess
07-06-2007, 07:05 AM
My gut feeling says Kody is more dangerous. He's already been as broken as he's going to be, and nothing is going to stop him in a fight. Verana could be held back if the chunks of her soul she's been repressing suddenly make themselves known...

Azraelsbane
07-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Kody seems dangerous in an off the deep end sorta way, but I think Verana would be more efficient, and therefore more dangerous. If the two were pitted against one another, I think Verana would win. Kody has too many weaknesses, and being trained as she has been, Verana would be able to use many if not all of those weaknesses to her advantage if need be.

In the end if you're talking more volatile and dangerous to those they are allied with, I'd say the obvious choice is Kody, but in my opinion efficiency always wins out over brute force in the "overall badass" category ;) Excuse the language.

jmindigo
07-06-2007, 10:46 AM
In a general sense, Kody seems the dangerous one while Verana seems the deadly one. How effective one is over the other would depend on the situation, I think they could be quite a effective team.

Also, I want to second Althrasher's congrats on knowing your characters so well. I wish I knew some of mine half as well. :)

Penguin Queen
07-06-2007, 03:32 PM
I think it would depend on the situation.
My first reaction was to say what pretty much everybody else has said -- Kody. I would find him more alarming because he is hardened to violence and because he might blow up & not have the discipline (or even the inclination) to hold himself back.

On the other hand, given the situation, I think Verana could be the easier one to manipulate, and she could become very, very dangerous if she thought (or had been told) that she is doing her duty. She can torture against her inclination. She could be very dangerous because her internal checks are overriden by her sense of duty. So that Kody might blow up & dish out hideous things; but Verana would do them coolly and deliberately, and in full possession of her senses.

travelgal
07-06-2007, 07:17 PM
On first appearence, Kody is more dangerous, but he's ruled by his passions. A major weakness.

Varana's like poisonous mist. You won't know what hits you, because you're already dead.

Oddly enough, she reminds me of Kelly from CSI Miami.

sassandgroove
07-06-2007, 11:05 PM
What I've started wondering is: Which one of them should really be considered the more dangerous? I'd love to get opinions on it, based on these descriptions.As the author, shouldn't that be something you decide? Not just by character description, but by your choice and how it fits in the story. Becuase the answer changes the story.

Dominic
07-06-2007, 11:21 PM
A great question, but I wonder if it is necessary. Is there a moment in your story(ies) where this becomes important? Each of your characters has pluses and minuses which different opponents will fear in differing degrees. So the answer you seek will depend on the situation, but in that lies your playground.

Put Kody into situations without Verana around where his loss of control makes him precariously teeter on the brink of death. Do the same to Verana. Show the interplay of them learning from each other. Do they like what the other has to offer? Do they let it change them? All these are the decisions you get to make.

If you are asking what I would think if I had to fight one of them, then my answer is I would rather not fight either of them. If I had some level of weapons proficiency, I'd rather face Kody over Verana any day. Kody I can rile up and gain a chance to exploit his impetuousness. That's something I feel I could counter well. But that's just me. (And I doubt I could last thirty seconds against either of these two.)

Dominic

glutton
07-06-2007, 11:23 PM
I'd suspect that Verana might be more at home in a one-on-one/dueling situation with her cunning and finesse, while Kody sounds like he should be devastating on a battlefield or facing off against multiple opponents.

That said, I have no idea of their comparative skill level or physical attributes, so I can't say anything for sure. I suggest a wrestling match between the two, to demonstrate. :)

Red Robin
07-07-2007, 12:10 AM
It depends what you mean by potent. They are both very dangerous characters, but they each have their own emotional manners which would prompt them to act/react to a situation.

Just my two bits on the 'effectiveness' of any fighter. No one warrior is ever 'the best' warrior. There is a complex set of attributes including training, natural talent, emotional disposition, aggressiveness et al. that will help you decide which character is more potent in a given situation.

Quick example- A expert groundfighter might usually dominate in a UFC octagon situation, but in a streetfighting or real combat situation a groundfighter might quickly find himself at a huge disadvantage. And this example only takes style into consideration...

efreysson
07-09-2007, 02:19 AM
Thanks for all the comments, guys. :)

BlueTexas
07-09-2007, 02:58 AM
Which one has the least to lose? That's the one who's closest to the edge.

megan_d
07-09-2007, 04:56 PM
These two characters sound really interesting. I mean, really really interesting. Kody strikes me as being more dangerous, and he's also the one I want to know more about. Is the novel from his POV? Let us know how the novel progresses! (Have you, or do you plan to, post any of it to the share your work forum?)

NeuroFizz
07-09-2007, 06:15 PM
You do have a good summary for each character, but what is really important, which will tell which character is the most "whatever," is how you introduce all of this information you have in your summaries. You can't just list this off in the novel. You have to bring it out through action, and in doing so, you may find the way they fit into the story dictates which one will be the best to do "this or that." Making judgements on which character best fits a specific part of the story from a listing of the character's background and personality traits just can't be done wihtout seeing how you, the author, bring these past events and personality quirks out in the story. I bet if you work all of this information in without giving it through long info dumps of backstory, the characters' places in your story will form before your eyes.

By the way, having interesting characters isn't really enough. You also have to make the reader care about them.

maestrowork
07-09-2007, 07:56 PM
I agree with NeuroFizz. It all comes down to action. You can have the most EVIL person on Earth but they'll be nothing if they don't do anything. So it really is about action. Hitler was that ultimate evil only just because who he was (and who really knows who he really was?) but what he did. If he hadn't done all the things he did, including murdering millions of people, he wouldn't have been this "evil."

So focus on the action, your plot, and the CONSEQUENCES. Killing one person (for whatever reason) might be "potent" but what if the character CHOOSES to kill and rape millions, including children... now, you really have something to write about.

Ullikummis
07-09-2007, 08:10 PM
I think this is a question best left unanswered in your mind, as the reader is going to form his/her own opinion, and might be alittle alienated if the text seemed to disagree with their impression.