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Stormhawk
10-11-2007, 02:48 AM
(I do apologise for this, and mods feel free to delete/move if you wish).

I just need to vent. I just need to vent. I just need to vent.

*throttles manuscript*

WHY DON'T YOU WORK????

*throttles more*

My manuscript hangs around my neck like the rotting corpse of some unsightly bird. The stench distracts me from doing anything else. (It was a miracle I got my GN script done, but I digress).

I wrote a fanfic...four years ago? It was supposed to be a one-shot, I can't even remember the basis for the idea. Then I wrote another, and another, then it turned into a series, and gained a small fanatic cult of about a dozen.

I found I was using almost as many original characters as canon ones, so decided that I should turn it into an original fic. One four worldbuilds later, I have a 'verse unlike the original. (There are several elements you could map back if you really wanted, but it's really my own now). I like this 'verse, it works, I have lore going back to the literal beginning of the universe (most of it in my head, I don't have a 300-page story bible sitting on my desk).

I have a few standalone stories planned (this isn't a 16-book emo vamp series, more like Charles de Lint stuff where you can read it on its own, but makes a richer picture when you read all of them).

I do, however, have a certain set of characters where their stories are better read in sequence. And here, after many paragraphs, is my problem:

I don't like the first story. It's likely because all up I've done about 12 versions of it. Most of those involved cutting out the useless bits and tweaking the plot around - and changing it for the different world builds.

I never feel like this story is strong enough to stand on its own, and primarily, that's what I want it to be able to do.

I started to write another story, figuring that it if this beast was causing so much trouble, then just ignore it, and jump in feet first. (To use a comparison to TV, it's like coming in at the beginning of the 2nd/3rd season).

The stuff that happens before is important, but is stuck in limbo until I get this first book sorted out.

Ok, so this is getting "tldr" so I'll boil it down to a couple of questions:

1) If a story feels too weak, would the general assumption be that it is, or is this just fear? (Or a combination?)

2) Would it be ok to relegate it to the depths of my hard drive, write the "3rd season" story, and go back to the beginning at a later time, when I feel more confident as a writer? (And if anyone can think of an example where this has actually happened, please, please, please tell me).

3) Should I just burn it?

4) Should I, as this little part of my brain is suggesting, combine it with another plot, so that it gets a booster shot, and feels more complete?

(No, this isn't writer's block, this is writer's stuck, and I am admitting it freely. I'm still dabbling in other projects, so I'm not sucking on my thumb in a foetal ball while trying to solve this problem).

dolores haze
10-11-2007, 02:53 AM
Question: Has anyone else ever read it?

Perhaps you need a fresh set of eyes, and an honest, objective opinion.

Sorry. Couldn't ignore you.

joyce
10-11-2007, 02:55 AM
I'm not sure that this helps, but I know your pain. I have had to put my first completed novel aside before I burned it because it was causing me to go insane. I've now moved on to several other projects, but that first one still burns in my soul to fix. One day, probably after I've had a nervous breakdown because of it, I will go back and look at it again. Hopefully I will have fresher eyes by them. Good luck.

c.e.lawson
10-11-2007, 03:01 AM
Number four sounds like a possible option. Granted I know nothing about your story. But...

I put great credence in the little voice at the back of my brain that waves red flags to me about my stories. (Much more often than not, it comes back to haunt me if I ignore that little voice.) If you think it's weak and a part of your brain is telling you to add some more plot to strengthen it, then how can that hurt? You can always take it out later. But I also agree that this is the type of question a trusted beta is perfect for.

Good luck!

icerose
10-11-2007, 03:09 AM
In my own experience anytime that little voice is saying "It's just not working" it isn't. My little voice has never let me down. I'm not talking about the doubting voice, but the solid voice of unsoftened honesty. If it's saying your first one is weak, then it is. If it's saying it just isn't working, then it isn't.

I would suggest getting another person to read it then pull out a fresh document and start again on page one with all the problems flagged and pointed out. Either that or put it away for a very long time. I've done both with stories.

Azraelsbane
10-11-2007, 03:12 AM
I agree, you need a beta, and not a family member or friend (imo).

I have a nice trunk novel that helped with world building, and while I bet none of my betas would believe it, my "epic" storyline started with 1 original character, set in middle earth, with a Tolkien-based cast. The only thing left of that is a city named Gwahir and a mention of one of the MCs passing by a copy of LotR in a search through his sock drawer, lol.

The trunk novel works well as a 1st book in my series, but I have 0 hopes of it ever getting published. Hell, I'm afraid to even show that pos to anyone.

I like the number 4 option and the number 2 option. Do not burn it, and don't lose hope in it 100%. And you know what, sometimes things start in the 2nd or 3rd season. Even if you have a creation story, it's not always mandatory. Hell, when I had people beta the novel I'm querying at the moment, more than one of them thought I should write an entirely separate novel based around one specific chapter. There will always be more there than you need. Trust yourself (with the help of a few betas) to know what should go and what should stay.

JoniBGoode
10-11-2007, 04:09 AM
1) If a story feels too weak, would the general assumption be that it is, or is this just fear? (Or a combination?)

2) Would it be ok to relegate it to the depths of my hard drive, write the "3rd season" story, and go back to the beginning at a later time, when I feel more confident as a writer? (And if anyone can think of an example where this has actually happened, please, please, please tell me).

3) Should I just burn it?

4) Should I, as this little part of my brain is suggesting, combine it with another plot, so that it gets a booster shot, and feels more complete?

(No, this isn't writer's block, this is writer's stuck, and I am admitting it freely. I'm still dabbling in other projects, so I'm not sucking on my thumb in a foetal ball while trying to solve this problem).


1) You're probably right, but as everyone else has said, you need a beta reader or two.

2) Absolutely. It's not at all unusual for writers to put a novel or story aside and go back to it when they feel prepared. It's also not at all unsual to start writing a story or novel and find that the "real" beginning is about 1/3 of the way in.

Remember that if you skip story #1 and go directly to story #2, nobody but you will know. And, you can always go back and write the prequal if you want to.

3) NO!! Even if you decide to scrap it, it's always a good idea to save a copy on your hard drive or a CD. You never know when you'll realize that first story is just what you need here.

4) Quite possibly. Or, since this early material seems important to the complete picture...have you thought about using some or all of it as a flashback in the 2nd or 3rd story? That would allow you to condense it and maybe make it stronger. Just an idea.

jodiodi
10-11-2007, 07:27 PM
I feel your pain.

I agree with the others who advise setting it aside for a bit, maybe while someone else reads over it (as a beta, if you will). Work on something else so that when you come back to it, you're relatively fresh.

I once spoke of destroying all my work on a particular book, but was advised by a very successful author friend never to destroy any of my work and I'm glad I listened to her. Pieces I thought were useless suddenly tap me on the shoulder as I write and say, "Put me in, coach. This is where I was meant to be."

Good luck.

Stormhawk
10-12-2007, 01:53 AM
I want to thank everyone for their replies - they really mean a lot to me.

I'm going to go with the #2 option - jump straight into the middle and write a prequel later if I want (plus have some flashback scenes in this one). It's still going to bug me a little that I can't write the first story yet, but it's going to save my sanity. >_<

I'm really determined to make this project work though - I have some fears, but I'm going to make a gorram attempt at a first saleable novel (I even went and bought some index cards :) ).

Once again, thank you.

glassquill
10-12-2007, 02:23 AM
:Hug2: All the best with your writing. I'm sure you'll be able to wrestle it into submission. :)

Judg
10-12-2007, 02:47 AM
Yup, stick to that determination. I promised myself I would complete a manuscript for a novel, make it as sellable as possible and make a serious and concerted effort to market it. And then I made sure a few people knew about it, so there's be some accountability. I've stalled more than once - usually because there were issues that had to be worked out. I will probably stall again before the end, even if it is in sight, because I have not yet figured out how some key parts of the climax are going to happen. The "what" is there, but the "how" will take some more thinking.

But I will get through to the end. I've promised myself.

amber_grosjean
10-12-2007, 02:54 AM
Think of the first story being the back story which is something the actual readers aren't going to see. In pieces, they will get glimpses of the first story as flashbacks, memories, and through dialogue. You're actually combining the two stories into one so really you aren't giving up on the first story, you're just improving it and making a longer story.

Good luck to you and I feel your pain.
Amber

LilliCray
10-12-2007, 04:09 AM
All the best with your writing. I'm sure you'll be able to wrestle it into submission.

Heh. Heh. Submission as in submission, or submission as in submitting to publishers?

Not funny. I know. I have a weird sense of humor.

Anyways, I have some of the same problem with my WIP Chaotica. The best of luck to you! Try eating cookies and creme fudge when the story doesn't work--that usually helps me realize that the best course of action is usually not smashing the keyboard. ;)

Stormhawk
10-12-2007, 04:22 AM
Heh. Heh. Submission as in submission, or submission as in submitting to publishers?
Both would be preferable. :)


Try eating cookies and creme fudge when the story doesn't work--that usually helps me realize that the best course of action is usually not smashing the keyboard. ;)
Mmm...cookies. It also helps that my MC is a cookie freak and breaks out the choc chip whenever something bad happens. (Or ice cream, I wrote a scene where she devours a foot-tall sundae).

And I would never smash my precious keyboard! Never! I'm so used to this keyboard that I can type while sneezing. ^_^