What if the piece you write is good but...

[writerterri]

there's some grammar errors. Will a publisher, who likes the book, send it to the editor for fixing? Or will they just reject it?


For those less intuitive people here's an edit for ya.


some grammar errors, unforeseen or accidentally made.

geestinkinwhiz! :P

[BrookieCookie777]

Terri, I'm not an editor - but, from experience I have had many things published that I know were not edited to a tee. I think it just depends on the publisher. Some are very strict on grammer. Yet, if the writing is wonderful - they are not going to pass it by just because it has a few errors. If it is just pages and pages of grammical errors (every other word is all out of whack) that might be a problem, but if it is just one here and there I do not see why that would cause a problem. My agent and I have a book out on submission now and I know without doubt it has a few errors inside.

Hope this helps. Maybe one of these smarty arties will have more info from the editors end. God bless!

[kristie911]

How many grammar errors are you talking about? One per paragraph? Per page? Per chapter?

Obviously, if it's teeming with errors, chances are the agent or publisher wouldn't even get through the reading to decide if they like it. But if you're just talking about a couple here and there, well, I've got to think that's forgivable. And I'm pretty sure the book will see an editor before publishing no matter what. Unless, of course, the publisher is PA. :)

[scarletpeaches]

I'm not an editor but I wouldn't think of any piece as 'wonderful' if it had grammatical errors in it.

[ORION]

Generally if the grammar is poor the underlying sentence structure is poor as well.
This is why both critique groups and beta readers are useful. These are things an agent or editor will expect the writer to be able to fix-
When my novel went through copyediting with the publisher the few remaining errors were caught.

[waylander]

I have seen the view expressed on several agent blogs that good writing goes hand-in-hand with good grammar. There really are very few diamonds in the rough turning up with sparkling storytelling and ropey grammar.
I think you need to do everything you can to get your work into the best possible shape for putting before agents and editors.

[Judg]

Writerterri, if you know that's a problem, why don't you fix it? It seems kind of crazy to knowingly send out a manuscript that still requires work. If you're smart enough to write a coherent story, you're smart enough to learn the grammar. Especially since English grammar is almost absurdly simple compared to most other Western languages.

[Carrie R.]

If there are just "some grammar errors" (like 5-10 in an 80k novel) and the publisher loves the book, then I think they'd just ask you to fix the problems. I know I had a few mistakes in my book when it was bought (misspellings, odd phrasings, etc). Just depends on how deep the problems are and if the overall book is worth the effort.

Of course, the author always wants to put his or her best foot forward and that means submitting the cleanest manuscript possible. My theory is that you never want to give anyone an easy reason to reject you.

[Mr. Fix]

I find this thread useful. I just have one question to add to the mix...

What if there are intentional errors?

I have several characters that use poor speaking habits, like dere instead of there, would this kind of - MS red underline - error cause issues with a publisher/editor?

such as; "I wouldn't go in dere Billy."

[WendyNYC]

I find this thread useful. I just have one question to add to the mix...

What if there are intentional errors?

I have several characters that use poor speaking habits, like dere instead of there, would this kind of - MS red underline - error cause issues with a publisher/editor?

such as; "I wouldn't go in dere Billy."


That's dialect, not an error.

[Khazarkhum]

The example you give is dialect. Most editors will not have a problem with that.

"All y'all be fixin to git mah goat" is dialect and you don't have to be a genius to grasp that the speaker is from the south.

So if your MS has a distinct dialect, your editor will understand.:Hug2:

[Will Lavender]

Writerterri, if you know that's a problem, why don't you fix it?

Excellent question. I, too, find the original post sort of mystifying.

There should be no doubts that the work is your best when you send it to an agent or an editor. It's hellaciously competitive, obviously. If you know it has errors, then it isn't your best...

[MargueriteMing]

Why would you ever send something out that isn't the best you can make it? That's not just unprofessional, it's foolish and says you take no pride in your work.

[clockwatcher]

Writerterri, if you know that's a problem, why don't you fix it? It seems kind of crazy to knowingly send out a manuscript that still requires work. If you're smart enough to write a coherent story, you're smart enough to learn the grammar. Especially since English grammar is almost absurdly simple compared to most other Western languages.

It might be one of those things where you spot an error after mailing it.

[KTC]

I'm not an editor but I wouldn't think of any piece as 'wonderful' if it had grammatical errors in it.

I'm with Judas on this one. I do edit...and if the grammar is horrid, in my opinion so is the piece. If you're talking one or two errors, I may be inclined to see past them. If the grammar is downright awful...that's a problem I can't see past.

[writerterri]

Terri, I'm not an editor - but, from experience I have had many things published that I know were not edited to a tee. I think it just depends on the publisher. Some are very strict on grammar. Yet, if the writing is wonderful - they are not going to pass it by just because it has a few errors. If it is just pages and pages of grammical errors (every other word is all out of whack) that might be a problem, but if it is just one here and there I do not see why that would cause a problem. My agent and I have a book out on submission now and I know without doubt it has a few errors inside.

Hope this helps. Maybe one of these smarty arties will have more info from the editors end. God bless!

I'm afraid grammar is not my strong point, but I'm not a total disaster. I know enough of the basics to get a good story out and a good point across. I just can't seem to retain the harder rules. I have a wonderful book called "Action Grammar." It's very well written in that I can understand. My slight learning disorder gets in my way though. But, yes, this did help.

Thanks!

[writerterri]

How many grammar errors are you talking about? One per paragraph? Per page? Per chapter?

Obviously, if it's teeming with errors, chances are the agent or publisher wouldn't even get through the reading to decide if they like it. But if you're just talking about a couple here and there, well, I've got to think that's forgivable. And I'm pretty sure the book will see an editor before publishing no matter what. Unless, of course, the publisher is PA. :)


Just a few, I hope. This is the answer I was looking for.

Thanks!!!

[writerterri]

Generally if the grammar is poor the underlying sentence structure is poor as well.
This is why both critique groups and beta readers are useful. These are things an agent or editor will expect the writer to be able to fix-
When my novel went through copyediting with the publisher the few remaining errors were caught.

Okay, that's what I was wondering.

Thanks!

[writerterri]

Writerterri, if you know that's a problem, why don't you fix it? It seems kind of crazy to knowingly send out a manuscript that still requires work. If you're smart enough to write a coherent story, you're smart enough to learn the grammar. Especially since English grammar is almost absurdly simple compared to most other Western languages.


True. I have a book I read and when it came to the tests, I did pretty well. I'm just talking about over looked errors in grammar on my part. Will they toss it out or will they check it over?

But I got my answer, thanks!!!

[writerterri]

If there are just "some grammar errors" (like 5-10 in an 80k novel) and the publisher loves the book, then I think they'd just ask you to fix the problems. I know I had a few mistakes in my book when it was bought (misspellings, odd phrasings, etc). Just depends on how deep the problems are and if the overall book is worth the effort.

Of course, the author always wants to put his or her best foot forward and that means submitting the cleanest manuscript possible. My theory is that you never want to give anyone an easy reason to reject you.


That's what I'm saying.

Thanks!!!

[writerterri]

I find this thread useful. I just have one question to add to the mix...

What if there are intentional errors?

I have several characters that use poor speaking habits, like dere instead of there, would this kind of - MS red underline - error cause issues with a publisher/editor?

such as; "I wouldn't go in dere Billy."

If it's the character speaking then fine. But it must not slow the reading down.

[writerterri]

Excellent question. I, too, find the original post sort of mystifying.

There should be no doubts that the work is your best when you send it to an agent or an editor. It's hellaciously competitive, obviously. If you know it has errors, then it isn't your best...


I should have been more specific. I meant a few overlooked errors.

[writerterri]

Why would you ever send something out that isn't the best you can make it? That's not just unprofessional, it's foolish and says you take no pride in your work.


Oh, my! A brow beating? Oh, boy! Where's the love?!!!

I need to repent for not being more specific.

[writerterri]

It might be one of those things where you spot an error after mailing it.


Oh, there's the love.


Thanks clock! *smooch*

[writerterri]

I'm with Judas on this one. I do edit...and if the grammar is horrid, in my opinion so is the piece. If you're talking one or two errors, I may be inclined to see past them. If the grammar is downright awful...that's a problem I can't see past.


Kev, I'm just talking a few after my final edit. *pinch*



sheesh!

[writerterri]

I have my ignore finger ready, so go ahead and make an ungraceful remark. :rant:

[KTC]

I know, Terri. I'm a bastard and I still feel guilty. (-;

[Judg]

LOL! Sorry, can't help it. Your problem, Terri, is that you seemed to be expressing an attitude that real people express, so we all rushed to make sure it was refuted. We've all heard real people say things along the lines of, "My story is so magnificent, an editor will be thrilled to clean up the inconsequential details like grammar and spelling." Now that we know that's not where you're coming from, all is cool.

Not even the most constipated of grammarians (why is everybody looking at me like that?) is likely to turn out an error-free manuscript. I think what agents and editors are allergic to is someone who expects them not only to buy the house and repaint all the walls, but pick up the socks, run the vacuum cleaner, and do the dusting too. A dust-bunny or two in a well-maintained house is not going to be a deal-breaker.

[writerterri]

I know, Terri. I'm a bastard and I still feel guilty. (-;

Well...you should. *pinch*

I'm doing just fine. Thank you. It's a hard piece to write though. I've switched over to a much easier piece for a while.

You're still the best. *sigh*

[writerterri]

LOL! Sorry, can't help it. Your problem, Terri, is that you seemed to be expressing an attitude that real people express, so we all rushed to make sure it was refuted. We've all heard real people say things along the lines of, "My story is so magnificent, an editor will be thrilled to clean up the inconsequential details like grammar and spelling." Now that we know that's not where you're coming from, all is cool.

I've been here way too long to have that attitude. I was just thinking and contemplating my piece to be less than desirable, but then thought, what if they did like it but it contained a few errors? Would they toss it out or would they send it to their editor to make sure it's all correct? I do have a hard time with grammar but I know enough to make sense of a story. (Terri's words in red)



Not even the most constipated of grammarians (why is everybody looking at me like that?) is likely to turn out an error-free manuscript. I think what agents and editors are allergic to is someone who expects them not only to buy the house and repaint all the walls, but pick up the socks, run the vacuum cleaner, and do the dusting too. A dust-bunny or two in a well-maintained house is not going to be a deal-breaker.

~giggle~

I was feeling insecure when I posted my thread! *snort* Okay, then, I guess it's worth sending in when I finish it.

I feel so much better now! <cough>

Allow me to dork this thread.

Dorks.

[Little Red Barn]

I have my ignore finger ready, so go ahead and make an ungraceful remark. :rant:
A little :heart: for ya!
hugs sweetie!

[writerterri]

A little :heart: for ya!
hugs sweetie!

Kimmi! You dork sweet thang.

Back at ya!