LET'S PUBLISH A POETRY BOOK

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I think William's thoughts are spot on.

As far as what is chosen to go in the book...I don't think we should submit anything that we have posted on AW. Previously unpublished works best for me.
 

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poetinahat said:
Rivana, do you mean that, if the book's meant to represent AW, then the poems should be the work done in the forums, and the forum itself? Or is there something I've missed?

The problem I see is that, if the poems are already here, why would anyone buy the book -- except ourselves? Then it's a vanity project. Which is fine, if that's what we want.

But I'd like to think we've got more poetry in us than what we've put on the boards. A book of mostly unpublished, unseen work would be more appealing, I'd think.

What I'd thought was, let's go and publish a book to sell to anyone.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if I've presumed your intention incorrectly.

Never mind Rob, I think I like William's idea better. ^o^
 

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I would like to participate in such a project, if it is open to newbies as well. I like the idea of a theme, I'm for submitting something new as opposed to something already posted, and I think any proceeds should be donated to the AW board on behalf of the AW poet's. I'm wondering if there is someone (probably Mr. Haskins, if he were willing) who could edit it all into shape prior to submission.
 

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I hate to be a wet blanket but unless someone here has some powerful connections with a Traditional Publisher or University Press, the chances of getting a book of Poetry, published that way are next to NIL.

The majority of Poets who do publish are MFAs published by their Universities or thru Book Length Contests, (also mainly University Presses) or via Vanity/POD thru such recognized scams such as Poetry.com and their brethren, and will be compared to and weighed against such, and can achieve Traditional Publication, only after they've published enough via the University Press, or Contest route to have established a reputation, (and that includes Anthologies of ESTABLISHED Poets, which are usually published by University Presses).

Moreover, (particularly if one goes the Vanity Route), you can be sure that it will cost, (probably a lot) with almost NO chance of making enough off it to cover a fraction of the expenses, and it's important to be aware that the money made by Anthologies like Poetry.com are made by selling the books to the contributers and their families.

There are exceptions to that rule, in Anthologies published by small presses, (mostly in Canada), that do absorb the costs, but they have their own agenda in what they publish.

Even Traditionally Published works do not make any profit, unless the Poet is already well known with an established reputation.

That's not saying, that the idea is necessarily bad, if the decision is made ot go ahead. as there are a lot of people here writing quality work, but the realities of the Publication World are that Poetry is a "Hard Sell" and any who participate should be aware of the real problems in doing so.

As for what to Publish, I believe, as I told William long ago, that the "Blue Rock" Collection has a great deal of merit, as it stands, (Being comparablei, in many ways, to the "Spoon River Anthology" on which it is based) and would be an ideal first choice as a vehicle for publication.

Just my thoughts.

JRH
 

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And the nominees for wettest blanket, 2007 are...
 

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Thanks, Jim -- I've read that elsewhere here, and it's a point well taken.

That's where the suggestion for a theme came from (via other published authors here). It asks another question: If we are interested in putting together an anthology, are we willing to do things to make it appealing to buyers, or are we going to bind up whatever we happen to write?

That's a sensitive topic, to be sure. And a theme is not necessarily the answer. But it's a question worth considering.

There may be another way: select the poems, then find some way of describing their relation.
 

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poetinahat said:
There may be another way: select the poems, then find some way of describing their relation.
Bingo.
 

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skelly said:
I would like to participate in such a project, if it is open to newbies as well. I like the idea of a theme, I'm for submitting something new as opposed to something already posted, and I think any proceeds should be donated to the AW board on behalf of the AW poet's. I'm wondering if there is someone (probably Mr. Haskins, if he were willing) who could edit it all into shape prior to submission.
It would certainly be open to everyone in the Forum; I'd hope that everyone would feel welcome and encouraged to join in. It would need to be selective, so not every poem would necessarily be chosen for inclusion.

I've started getting advice on editing, and there are AWers who are editors who have offered to help. Editing poems, I imagine, would be an extremely sensitive matter, and I'll look into getting specific information on poetry editing.
 

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I think it would be nice to include both previously unpublished work and any goodies already posted on the forum. You could ask members to nominate a poem (not one of their own, obviously) and have others vote (privately of course). That way only the better works from the forums will be included. It seems a shame not to include work from this website as there are some wonderful pieces. It also allows those not already in print to enjoy the esteemed title of 'published poet'. We all know how hard it is to achieve this! Just my two cents worth!

Annie O
 

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A few ideas. I like this idea
There may be another way: select the poems, then find some way of describing their relation.
It might be harder to pull off, but the book could have sections. One for Haiku, another for free verse, another for yada yada yada. I, too, think selecting one theme may be limiting, but having a book of random poetry could be off-putting to potential readers. If our goal is to attract readers, then we should attempt to focus the selection (before or after.) It might be helpful to select a broad theme (random suggestions: nature, human relationships) and then we can narrow it down once we have our selected group of poetry. Or just narrow it down per section.

For publication, we might look into our relationship with Lulu for SOS. They were uber helpful and very reasonable. If we were doing this as a fundraiser or a donation based project, they might be will to work with us again on cost. It never hurts to ask.

As far as editing poems, there are a few people I can suggest. I'll PM you. It's important to differentiate what kind of project this is going to be, though. Because if it's just vanity, it will be hard to say no to any one poem that's submitted. But the reality of it is, sometimes you have to hand out rejections.... I guess that's something that we need to decide.
 

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Yes...there has to be a criteria. You have to have a standard and an editor to polish what you do accept. It has to be top notch.
 

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My 2 sheckles says this:

We need a truly private forum in which to put the volume together--because I depend on feedback from this group to reach a finished state--even if I ultimately implement no changes from it, I clarify my thoughts in the work.

I still want to see Blue Rock Available in some way.

I am fine with donation to an AWers relief fund or other charitable donations as a result of the project.

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=707663&postcount=25

Ultimately, someone will have to possess final editorial control (or perhaps a group of 3 for final decisions on inclusion) to be fair when discussion inclusion and exclusion of works.

That's all I've got right now.

Dirk
 

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ddgryphon said:
We need a truly private forum in which to put the volume together--because I depend on feedback from this group to reach a finished state--even if I ultimately implement no changes from it, I clarify my thoughts in the work.
I think this is a great idea, presubmission, but once you submit something... well, it could turn into a too many cooks in the kitchen sort of thing. We could set up a thread in the critique forum that is for crits on what you plan to submit?
 

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I like the theme idea, and haiku is fine for me. It's quick reading for the impatient American, and it can be very powerful if done right.

I also think that we should create new works for this project for the reasons previously stated.

Please do keep me updated. I've had poetry published before, and I'd love to contribute again.
 

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In whatever capacity y'all folks want to get this shindig started, I'm in.
 

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I've been talking with a couple of people interested in helping out as editors/advisors -- people who have experience that I don't. Those discussions have tailed off.

Thanks for the kick in the butt, kid -- I need to get this show on the road.
 

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This sounds like a great idea and could be a lot of fun. The idea of a theme worked pretty well for the Blue Rock stuff, if the theme is subject-based instead of format-based.

Whatever, though, I'd like to give it a whirl.
 

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Hi everybody, been out of the loop for a while and I'm trying to get caught up with the news. I think the idea sounds great. I liked the theme idea for "Blue Rock" and felt inspired working with a group of poets, each feeding the other as it were.
I would not want any pay myself, but like the idea of proceeds going to AW.
I am not inclined to limit the poets to published or unpublished, forums whatever.
I like Lulu too. Very Easy.
I've missed you guys!
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The latest update is here. Let's get this show on the road.
 

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I'm looking into setting up a private area for the book project. I'll let you know when I've got something sorted out.