The New Never-Ending PublishAmerica Thread (NEPAT)

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This has got to be a record. Under new releases this week: 637 pages - Softcover [$39.95] Can you actually find ANY book for that price at a regular store?

http://www.publishamerica.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?catalogid=20813


I have. A HUGE full-color hard cover coffetable book on coral reefs. Real pretty, I've been eyeing it for weeks at my local Barnes & Noble. Price on the cover is $40US. I haven't bought it (yet) because of the price, but the huge pile of it they had has diminished to three copies, so I guess it's selling.

The real question is, are there any softcover, non-picture books in real brick&mortar bookstores for that price? I haven't seen any.
 

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Has anyone seen this?

Dear author,
We thought that we should share this with you:

Keeping in mind that we just went through a very busy royalty month at PublishAmerica, it doesn't happen every day that we are treated as royalty ourselves. Recently we were, though, when Dr. Phil McGraw's staff asked us to appear in his top-rated, nationally syndicated TV show. The episode is scheduled to air this week.

Our photogenic staffer was happy to quickly pack her bags and fly to Hollywood. She reports that the Dr. Phil Show treated her like a queen. She was given a "stunning hotel room" with a full view of the famous Hollywood sign, and she travelled by chauffeured limo. She also had her "own dressing room cum wardrobe expert", and "hair and makeup experts who took their time to make me look good." Dr. Phil's professional staff "thanked [her] profusely for coming out".

The show discusses a conflict between a mother and a daughter who submitted a book to PublishAmerica, and wants to see it published. Dr. Phil decided to mediate, and he wanted PublishAmerica in the studio, with a ready-to-sign contract in hand.

Check your local listings, and see for yourself how the show ends. Have fun!

Thank you.
PublishAmerica Author Support Team


Contract in hand? This should be interesting... Someone didn't do their research for this show!!!

ETA...I see this has been posted on PA quotes...oh well, now we have a record of it here too.
 
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Dr. Phil decided to mediate, and he wanted PublishAmerica in the studio, with a ready-to-sign contract in hand.

so *not* what happened.

I'm not sure if the poor girl actually had a contract with her or was terrified that Dr. Phil was going to ask some questions beyond the obvious.

either way, this is not getting ANY press on the PAMB... wonder why?

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Hello

I see old PA is still up to their old tactics. I was hoping I'd come in and find them out of business.

Oh well, one day will be payday.

I see a lot of new people in here. Hope you didn't get dooped by PA.

I did.
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so *not* what happened.

What did happen? What did Dr. Phil have to say about the publisher? Did the show go on as scheduled?
 

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I can't find it either. Where is it?
Oh, good. It's not just me. I thought it was my computer being slow again. Three threads on Dr. Phil and PA were moved, and yet none of them appear when you click on them. The link just loads and loads and loads and never opens.

I asked about this in the FAQ forum thingie, just in case something is broken. (I just heard a clang! :D)
 

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I started a thread about the show as I was watching it. I didn't know someone else had started one too. they combined the threads and earlier I could go to one of them. Now they are all gone.
 

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The writer Maya Reynolds had an interest blog post today entitled "Crushing Dreams". Talking of an email conversation between between herself and an impatient young writer who's convinced they're ready now and wonders why they aren't being signed by an agent immediately, she says:

If I had to bet, I'd wager, by the twenty-fifth rejection letter, my young friend will be exploring self-publishing, and--by the time the fiftieth rejection arrives--his wallet will be $2,500 lighter and his dining room table will hold one hundred unsold, self-pubbed books.

I've recently been criticized for what self-pubbed writers see as my "crushing of young writers' dreams" when I warn of the poor probability that a self-pubbed book will be successful.

In almost every profession from electrician to teacher, there's a learning curve and an apprenticeship of sorts. Why, then, is it that people who want to be published authors think all they have to do is write a manuscript and...Voila...they'll be published?

Losing several thousand hard-earned dollars to a vanity press is hard for anyone; however, the blow can be devastating to a young person earning little more than minimum wage.

For those who might be lurking, Maya just had her first book published by NAL. She didn't pay for the privilege, nor did her editor know who she was before purchasing the manuscript. She's not a "big name" but worked hard and didn't give up on her dream. She did her research, honed her craft and kept plugging away.
 

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Losing several thousand hard-earned dollars to a vanity press is hard for anyone; however, the blow can be devastating to a young person earning little more than minimum wage.

... or someone on retirement or disability ...
 

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Blog about Dr. Phil and PublishAmerica

If you want to leave a comment on this blog, go do it. It is about the Dr. Phil/PublishAmerica fiasco. Apparently, this blog is an "author" of PublishAmerica.

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Now it's a fiasco? Golly, you must have been watching a different version of the show than I watched.

Boogles the mind.

When I used the word "fiasco" it was in reference to Dr. Phil dropping the ball when he had a golden opportunity to question PublishAmerica in detail about their publishing practices, how many authors are being released from a contract, and how are the accounting facts given to their authors, if at all...they are! All it did was to put unsuspecting "authors" in jeopardy of believeing PublishAmerica is the way to go in getting published.

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When I used the word "fiasco" it was in reference to Dr. Phil dropping the ball when he had a golden opportunity to question PublishAmerica in detail about their publishing practices, how many authors are being released from a contract, and how are the accounting facts given to their authors, if at all...they are! All it did was to put unsuspecting "authors" in jeopardy of believeing PublishAmerica is the way to go in getting published.

BeeBomb

It was not the man's purpose to debunk a pseudo-publisher. I find the whole concept of the show to be disgusting in the first place. To me it is psychiatric "snake oil". Having said that I still can't fault him for sticking to the purpose of helping those two women resolve their difficulties.

He is NOT an investigative reporter, or even a shock jockey.

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I'm not sure that I agree with that. At least some hint should have been given that PA is questionable. I am concerned that PA appearing on this popular show without any comment gives the impression of respectablility and will make it even easier for them to suck in the unsuspecting.

I agree that Dr. Phil isn't an investigative reporter, but he has staff. They should know the shady reputation of PA. I wouldn't have expected him to "unmask" them as con artists, but in my opinion something should have been said.
 

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I read somewhere -- can't find it now -- that the daughter had previously signed a contract but that when the mom threatened to sue, the contract was cancelled. I also read -- somewhere -- that the contract had been with PA. I suspect that PA was there so that if the mom and daughter resolved their problems, they could once again sign with their "previous" publisher.

Just my impression ....

(The how many new authors have gotten $3,000,000 in royalties was a good question, IMO)

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The thing some people may be forgetting is that the Dr. Phil show is about relationships; especially dysfunctional relationships. That's what his audience and sponsors expect, and I wouldn't be surprised that any discussion about publishing would be the first on the editing room floor after a taping. It's not what his audience wants to hear, so it's not a priority for the show.

If an aviation show did a special on the Hellocopter they wouldn't pay much attention to PA's business model either. As far as shows like that are concerned PA is just window dressing, and has nothing to do with the topic of discussion.
 

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I read somewhere -- can't find it now -- that the daughter had previously signed a contract but that when the mom threatened to sue, the contract was cancelled. I also read -- somewhere -- that the contract had been with PA. I suspect that PA was there so that if the mom and daughter resolved their problems, they could once again sign with their "previous" publisher.

Just my impression ....

(The how many new authors have gotten $3,000,000 in royalties was a good question, IMO)

Mo

exactly - I can guess at the timeline based on the Dr. Phil background.

1) Daughter sends in manuscript. PA, as usual, offers contract without even reading it.

2) Mother finds out, gets lawyer and nasty note is sent to PA.

3) PA dumps daughter pronto. Remember, they're right now in court over an ex-PA author who published a family memoir that labeled her grandfather as a "warlock". Even though they later cancelled the contract and refused to print any more copies, they were still found legally liable for publishing the manuscript in the first place. I believe the court case is still unresolved, but it ain't pretty.

As well, Authorhouse lost a huge court case where someone had done basically the same thing - even self-pubs have to be careful of what they end up printing!

4) Offer comes in from Dr. Phil asking for a rep to be at the show. PA jumps at the chance, thinking that Dr. Phil will get the two to hug, kiss and make up and then the PA rep can leap onto the stage and deliver a contract to be signed right there in front of the cameras.

5) Whoops. Dr. Phil not only doesn't reconcile the mom/daughter, but declares the manuscript to be "unpublishable" until they resolve other issues. PA rep flies back home to the PA Hole with unsigned contract.

all in all, not a good day for PA.

dang.

:D
 

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It was not the man's purpose to debunk a pseudo-publisher. I find the whole concept of the show to be disgusting in the first place. To me it is psychiatric "snake oil". Having said that I still can't fault him for sticking to the purpose of helping those two women resolve their difficulties.


Regards,
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Hey, Popeye, it's nice to see you again! I can't fathom anyone going on national television and airing their dirty laundry but I do question the writer/s/PublishAmerica's motive for having been placed in the situation. In the back of my mind (female logic/intuition) I suspect PublishAmerica had a devious plot to get their name out to pull in more authors. If not, why on earth would they send out mass emails for everyone to watch the show? If they weren't intrested in all the hoopla, they would have let it die a natural death and have nothing to do with the show.

See it this way..."Yeah, we can do wonders for our name if we let these poor souls go on air. Why, let's not let them sign a contract just yet but when we do, we will have laid the foundation for more signed contracts." I am not certain it wasn't a put up job in the first place and Dr. Phil was the pawn. If that is the case, I hope Dr. Phil comes back with both barrels flashing.

I honestly hope the women can lay aside their differences and move forward toward a postive life.

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Oops, posted twice!
 
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