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Yesterday I was in Borders and there was a display of books that were published by PA. I was surprised that a large retailer like Borders would allow that. The author even has a book signing scheduled there for this weekend. Is this typical?
It is rare, but not unique, judging from my local observations. A store can cater to local interests and personalities, at the manager's discretion and within whatever limits are imposed by corporate policy. The Borders store in Sacramento has shelves of local-author books (including some from PA) and hosts booksignings by occasional self-published authors (and occasionally by subsidy/vanity press authors). I know of a PA author (apparently a pretty good writer with a local following) who had a well-attended book signing at a major chain store in Roseville, near Sacramento, a couple of years ago. (I think that was at a Barnes & Noble store in an upscale shopping center.)

No, do not twist that into an endorsement of PA. It is simply a report of local observations. And of course I cannot say that the PA authors (or other POD authors) did not lose money on the deals. If they provided books on consignment, they probably did take a loss.

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I have never had any luck with bookstores around here. They just didn't return my calls. I live in a small rural area, so there is not a lot of outlets for me to use.
 

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**tosses black Bic to Jimmy**

I imagine the writer has no idea how he might be remembered by that manager. Probably not quite what he had in mind, eh?


(Grabs bic!) Thank you! How will this guy be remembered? Easy...as the guy who is sneaky and underhanded and can't/won't follow instructions. No other way to put it. (CLICK! CLICK! CLICK!) *POOF!* OWWWWW!

How do you do this Jersey? It hurts like hell!
 

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Yesterday I was in Borders and there was a display of books that were published by PA. I was surprised that a large retailer like Borders would allow that. The author even has a book signing scheduled there for this weekend. Is this typical?

Not unusual. Many PA authors get local book signings and a book or two placed in their local bookstore(s) because the majority of bookstores do promote and support local authors.

Go 25 miles away from the author's home and he/she will have a great deal more trouble getting another bookstore to carry a couple copies of the book and hold a book signing. Go further away or into another state and the chances that those bookstores will carry a copy or two drop down to zero.
 

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We actually did a signing at a B&N and afterwards they "bought" six copies of out book...no we didn't ask them to do this.

I checked with her a few months later and she said all the books had sold and how could she reorder. I told her the book was out of print as we had gotten our rights back. She asked me to let her know when it was re-published so she could stock it...

I think that's pretty cool BUT I would bet very unusual for a PA book. The damn thing was under-edited and overpriced to the point of embarrassment.

Since we've moved to Georgia, I've been asked to participate in some local author signings (I do have about 10 books left from our one and only purchase) I declined the invitation...not going to inflict that book on another unsuspecting reader.

As far as editing at PA...I'm sure we had some errors in the original manuscript, however, when the proofs were returned to us, there were 319 mistakes in it...yeah, I counted them! I know for a fact 99% of said errors were not in the work we sent them...how's that for helping an author get their book ready for publication?
 

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Jean Marie, IIRC, had a good deal of success with her PA book at a local bookstore. She send in the copies to the Border's small press dept. and got her book assigned a BINC (a Borders stocking number)

It was ONE bookstore.
SHE had to ALL the work. She put up the two copies of her book, SHE filled out the paperwork.

The return on her time? Not much.
 

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It never stops

I heard a strange idea at a meeting. The marketing guru suggested "creating" a publicist to help you set up your appointments and events. You introduce him or her with their fictitious persona and they sign all the news releases etc., even though it's really you. It gives the idea that you have a publicist. It feels a little dishonest to me, but then the whole sales thing is a new direction for my mind anyway!

Next up, creating a fake publisher. Oh wait, that's been done already.
 

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That reminds me of the person who poses as an agent in the hopes of getting one of the big boys who only take agented submissions - and yes, that thought did cross my mind once upon a time back when I was young and stupid. And no, I never actually did it. :D
 

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. . . The marketing guru suggested "creating" a publicist to help you set up your appointments and events. You introduce him or her with their fictitious persona and they sign all the news releases etc., even though it's really you. It gives the idea that you have a publicist.

When a group tries to contact your "publicist" to set up a reading for you, or to find out a bit of information about you, what then? If they didn't notice that the "publicist" has the same address and phone number as you, they might Google. A publicist that doesn't exist on the Internet=a publicist who can't even publicize herself. Somebody will surely notice.

A fake publicist promoting a book from a fake publisher. What's next? Adding some fake credentials to make the author more plausible? How about fake quotes from a whole slew of fake book reports? Publicizing fake appearances in another city?

The mind boggles.
 

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Pavel once created what I assume was a fake spokesman to jump in on his behalf when his cancer book was getting slated.

Either that or they both went to the same school where they Were taught The same Writing style Of capitalising Every second Word.
 

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Yeah, but I wonder if Pavel's first language wasn't German. Because I learned (while subbing for a classroom aid in a German class) that ALL nouns in German are capitalized. Wonder if the same is true of all Slavic languages? If he was Polish, do they capitalize all nouns?
 

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I've seen self-pubbed authors use a friend as a publicist. Still if you don't know how to do PR, you shouldn't be doing it. Our concom got a packet from a self-pubbed author's "publicist." It was one of the most GA things I'd ever seen. In addition, the author was asking for things we can barely afford to provide for our top guests.

I'm guessing this author was told that there was no harm in asking in the off-chance that you might get it, but it was fairly obvious that this author had no clue about how conventions are run.

A good PR person will do their research first. Just sayin'.
 

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the problem is that you can only fake your way so far.

considering the majority of PA authors have no idea of how the publishing world works, I doubt their friends and family can pull off the scam of pretending to be a publicist beyond making a call and hoping no one asks anything too difficult.

and how immoral is it to not only deceive the bookstore owner but also pull in someone along the way?

*shakes head*
 

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Anyone can be a publicist - just like anyone can be a writer. *cough*

An inexperienced, untrained publicist can do more harm than good. Back when I was a radio news director I was inundated with with stuff I couldn't use. It's only become worse since then because anyone can blast out a press release with a click of a mouse button.

A proper publicist cultivates contacts and sends out targeted publicity. It takes time and costs more, but gets better results.
 

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That's not true--it is not completely out of the ordinary for stores like Borders or Barnes and Noble to have some books by PA authors, or to hold signings for PA authors. I've had signings at both of those chains, and they were not on consignment, and managers weren't "hoodwinked" into buying books. I simply asked, and they complied, no coaxing needed at all. Plenty of others have done the same.

THis worked for me in Framingham and Bellingham because I was local. However when I tired the same approach in Connecticut the resuts were very different and I was dismissed outright. The manager in Enfield had already heard of PA and wanted nothing to do with me or my book.

I have to respectfully disagree here, After talking to Barnes and Noble Corporate in New York,(See post in old NEPAT @March 2005) they're aware of PA and their practices and have very little to do with them save for some local events. When a PA book gets carried chainwide by one of the larger stores then I'll start beleiving the PAvidian mantra. But that will NEVER happen. PA doesn't want their books chain wide in a bookstore; they couldn't handle the orders and couldn't figure out how to pay the royalty. Can anybody name one PA book out of the so called 20,000 Happy Authors that have achieved the following?

1. Sold more than 5,000 copies... NO SELF PURCHASES
2. Carried regionally by a B&M bookstore
3. Carried Nationwide by same
4. Made a NYT best seller
5. Placed in the top 500 for book sales in any year of operation (Again weed out self purchases)

6. Generated more than $2,000.00 in royalites over the seven year duration of contract.

Bookstores are not part of PA's business paradigm to them (PA) Authors going into book stores and holding events is simply part of 'AUTHOR: The RPG'.

PA Authors buying their own books and selling to friends and family is the PA business plan (Or to hairdressers, Optometrist's offices et al. And yes these are from actual suggestions from the PA boards over the past two years.) They,PA, aren't set up to do anything else but handle the small 75 and under purchases from the inhabitants of their own message boards during one of their "Promotional Tiger" specials.

In direct comparison to legitimate Publishing Houses PA is severely lacking in all facets. Is there one PA author out of the 20,000 that PA has actually promoted actively? Is there not one book (besides Willem's trash) that Publish America beleives in enough to promote? Not a single book from a single Happy Author? What does this say about them? It says even THEY DON'T BELEIVE IN THEIR AUTHORS.

Can one PA author step forward and say "Publish America promoted my book just like a real publisher would do." Is there not one PAvidian that can step forward and share a PA marketing strategy submitted to them by PA designed to help him/her go forward and achieve success beyond buying your own books and selling on consignment?? Do PA Authors REALLY beleive this is what a legitimate publisher considers marketing and promotion?

Hey, I know from experience and I have the E-mails to prove what happens to PA authors when they try to actively achieve market penetration... it aint pretty and usually ends in PA trying to call the cops to silence you.

PA is to publishing like Matchbox is to NASCAR.

And I beleive that PA authors deseve better. There are some very talented writeres that will never be read beyond a small circle because of Publish America, and that's truly ashame.

My vent for the day is done... back to work.
 

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Anyone can be a publicist - just like anyone can be a writer. *cough*

You forgot book reviewer. If you can write a book, surely you can read a book (or at least its cover blurbs) and write a review. Then you can post the review all over the Internet and on amazon.com, where lots of real books have real reviews!

Just like you can post all those publicity releases on prweb.com! Just think how much credibility that will give you!

*cough, ack, gasp*
 

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You forgot book reviewer. If you can write a book, surely you can read a book (or at least its cover blurbs) and write a review. Then you can post the review all over the Internet and on amazon.com, where lots of real books have real reviews!

Just like you can post all those publicity releases on prweb.com! Just think how much credibility that will give you!

*cough, ack, gasp*

Of course! How could I be such an idiot?
 

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Anyone know how many copies of that book has been sold? It would be interesting to know if the process she uses works for her book...


I would like to know how many of their PA book has sold this year. Just to see if all of this hoopla they keep spouting would even be worth the seven bucks.
 
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