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Any new news?
Wellllll

Since getting splammed (splash page + spam) by Jeff Bezos's letter about new Amazon author Jessica Park, I've been reconsidering. I read his splam, then Jessica's post -- which appears to be the best thing she's ever written.[SUP]12[/SUP] THEN I read the Look Inside of Flat-out Love.

O.......k....... So that's why no trad publisher would take it. Amazon is looking less enticing. And my agent ain't interested.

[SUP]1[/SUP]RYFW acknowledged and moved on from
[SUP]2[/SUP]assuming she actually wrote it or that it's not edited beyond recognition
 

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Miss Plum, As far as I know, Jessica Park's book was self-published through CreateSpace. She's not an Amazon Publishing or Amazon Children's Publishing author. It's a completely different operation.
 

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Woops, you're right, lachrymal.

Self-pubbling, a whole 'nother discussion.
 

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Does anyone know who the acquisitions editor is for Amazon's Thomas & Mercer imprint? I've been searching around and can't find it.

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I believe Alison Dasho will be an acquisitions editor for Thomas & Mercer starting in April, because she left my pub house to go there :)

Does anyone have experience with the Kindle serial program? Would that be separate from Montlake if I have a romance serial?
 

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AmazonEncore

I'm unable to find anything published by the "flagship imprint," AmazonEncore, in recent years. The last book appears to have come out in 2011. Does anyone have any insight into what's going on there?
 

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Who is designing covers for Amazon's Montlake Publishing?

Feast your eyes!


I don't get it. I kind of thought Amazon was doing this stuff by bringing publishers from big NY house in-house. Those covers are *awful*; unprofessional. (Although they may not be representative of the prevailing quality.)

Anyone else seen this kind of stuff from AZN?

(Mods please move if this would be better elsewhere?)

EDIT: OK, hold up. I've just seen this:

All of the covers linked to are former Avalon books which Montlake bought the rights to. No, they didn’t put the money into re-doing the covers. Should they have? Perhaps or maybe the readers of the old Avalon books would look for the old covers. I really don’t know

...that still doesn't strike me as terribly good publishing (it's one of the main things I'd change if I bought rights in.)
 

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Weird.

Does buying the print rights to a novel entitle the owner to the rights to the cover image, too?
 

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Considering it influenced at least *one* author to blow off an offer from Montlake you'd think Amazon would consider some changes.

It does illustrate, IMO, how lazy Amazon is. Buy another publisher and just post up their books without any consideration to new covers.

Lazy.
 

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Weird.

Does buying the print rights to a novel entitle the owner to the rights to the cover image, too?

Nope. And every time I've bought in a previously-published book, I've changed the cover (which is, let's face it, one of the only things about the product you can do anything to in those circs - you can't really re-edit it, change the title, etc.)
 

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Why should they put money into new covers? Because those book reflect their brand. They are now their books. If they don't care about the covers why should I assume they care about what is inside?
 

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Oh my Gawd...

Okay, now I'm convinced. Amazon does not actually care whether or not they sell books.

It's Kindles all the way, baby. Sheesh. :tongue
 

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They didn't change the covers on Marshall Cavendish books, either, after they bought the rights to MC's trade children's titles. There are some pretty bad covers there, as well.

Hundreds of books were involved in both purchases--for MC, it was over 400 titles. Even for Amazon, it probably would have been prohibitively expensive to re-design all the covers.

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Any 47North Authors Here?

Hey crew,

Received an offer from Amazon's 47North imprint for one of my franchises. It was not bad in comparison to the same offers from other publishers, but I still declined for the moment, as there is some other non-publishing activity related to the franchise which I would prefer to remain unfettered. If that doesn't pan out, then I might reconsider them, even though it means a 50% reduction in royalty rates.

Anyone on AW run with them? How's the experience?
 

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Amazon Publishing is currently the #4 publisher in terms of paid Kindle ebooks sold

I am doing research on the changing/evolving publishing industry for a school project. Part of paper will be about Amazon influence on the publishing world but I find this part even more interesting and surprising. The growth of their publishing arm. Most of their imprints were born just 2 years ago.

Some of my findings:

In terms of paid units sold, Amazon Publishing is currently the fourth-ranked publisher on the Kindle platform in the U.S.," Jeff Belle, a vice president of Amazon Publishing, told IBD via email.

Source


Next, I wanted to know how many of their books are in the top 100 of Kindle Paid Store. Went to their their publishing website and found this:

http://www.apub.com/books

#15 Paid in Kindle Store --Montlake Romance
#42 Paid in Kindle Store --Thomas & Mercer
#43 Paid in Kindle Store --Amazon Publishing
#68 Paid in Kindle Store --Amazon Publishing
#69 Paid in Kindle Store --Amazon Publishing
#74 Paid in Kindle Store --Thomas & Mercer

and a few just outside the Top 100.

A lot of the ebooks (above) are priced at $3.99. In term of paid volume, Amazon Publishing is at #4 but in term of revenue, probably not among the top 6/7/8 or so.
 

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I find it hard to imagine them not being number one in the near future. It looked incredibly user friendly when poking around the KD pages as a possible outlet for a story written out of my regular genre. As a side note, one of the more enjoyable results will be the downfall of PA.
 

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Don't forget to factor in print sales. Print sales still far outstrip ebook sales, and even with so much buying shifting online, brick-and-mortar bookstores are still a major source of print sales. Amazon Publishing titles have minimal bookstore presence, due to booksellers' hostility toward Amazon (Barnes & Noble, for instance, has an explicit policy against carrying them). So however well they stack up against other major publishers on Kindle, when you look at print sales figures it's a different picture.

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Is that including self-published books or just the commercial publishing arms?
 

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Is that including self-published books or just the commercial publishing arms?

Are you talking about this quote?

In terms of paid units sold, Amazon Publishing is currently the fourth-ranked publisher on the Kindle platform in the U.S.," Jeff Belle, a vice president of Amazon Publishing, told IBD via email.

If so, it's just the commercial publishing arms. It doesn't include self-published books since Amazon Publishing have zero rights to the self-published books.


Self Publishing market share is also very high right now.
http://www.thebookseller.com/news/bowker-self-published-e-books-12-sales.html

The popularity of self-published titles rises when looking at certain categories, with the self-published share of e-book volume sales more than 20% in areas such as crime, science fiction and fantasy, romance and humour.
 

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I missed the earlier discussion of cover art.
Those would have been low-end cover art in the days before Photoshop was invented. Now they're just sad. The type design is lousy too.
I don't get it. I kind of thought Amazon was doing this stuff by bringing publishers from big NY house in-house. Those covers are *awful*; unprofessional.
Amazon is not a publisher. They're not really a bookseller, either. They're an online retailer that happened to start by selling books as their earliest line of merchandise because books already have database coding (ISBNs), and the peculiarities of book distribution systems meant they didn't have to pay up front for their stock. They later became nominal publishers because (1.) publishing got easy to do if you don't care about individual books and authors or brick-and-mortar distribution; (2.) it helps promote the Kindle, which Amazon does care about; and (3.) Amazon's basic model is monopolistic, so they're happy to undercut real publishers.

They don't understand the role of covers in selling book, and they wouldn't care if they did. Amazon can barely be bothered to fix ludicrous errors in their book listings. They don't give a damn about bad cover art.
Weird.

Does buying the print rights to a novel entitle the owner to the rights to the cover image, too?
No. Using that art for some other purpose is a separate right, normally called "second rights", and unless the publisher has nailed it down (which they almost never do), it belongs to the artist.

Imaginable circumstances in which the cover might be sold along with the text:

1. There was a contract between the cover artist and the original publisher which gave that publisher the right to sell the cover art to third parties. That would be a rare event in conventional publishing.

2. It's a strongly visual book, and the cover image -- illustration, photograph, or striking and distinctive visual design -- belongs to the author/illustrator. In that case, the cover is part of the overall visual content that travels with the text.

3. The book didn't come out from a conventional publisher, and the author paid for the cover art. If the contract with the artist gives the author second rights, the author can sell that along with the text. This almost never happens, because writers who go with the kind of publisher that makes you buy your own cover art don't usually know enough to secure second rights.

4. The original publisher has the brains of a snow pea, the new publisher is no better, and neither has realized that unless you have a contract that specifically says otherwise, the cover artist owns the second rights to the cover art.

In really ludicrous cases, it may be written into the contract between the publishers that the new publisher gets to use the covers, and the original publisher must furnish all the relevant cover production materials to facilitate that re-use. Writing it into the contract like that doesn't give either publisher second rights to the cover art, but it does make it easier to pin down the facts if the artist sues.

Other things the second publisher doesn't get when they buy the publishing rights: The cover copy. The cover quotes. Frontmatter or backmatter not written by the author. Also, the right to use the first publisher's typesetting, i.e. shoot high-res pictures of the first publisher's typeset pages and print from those, rather than having it re-typeset.

That last one may sound minor, but back when I was working in book production, it was the occasion of numerous scuffles in the underbrush. Production staff at one house would recognize, in the pages of another house's new edition of an older book, the unauthorized use of the typeset pages from their own edition. This was (and still may be) handled by the sinned-against production department sending a short, stiff note to the offending production department, along with an invoice billing them a couple of dollars per typeset page. They generally paid up.

I've occasionally known in-house editors to bill English-language overseas publishers for swiping their cover copy verbatim. This is proper. Good cover copy is hard to write, and freelance copywriters get paid good money to write it. If another publisher then uses that cover copy, they're using the editor as a freelance copywriter, and should pay for the work.

Digital Medievalist will know more about this than I do, but I assume the e-book equivalent would be the design, editorial work, and e-book conversion the first publisher does to the author's raw text. I don't know how that works in practice when an e-book title moves to a new publisher.
Why should they put money into new covers? Because those book reflect their brand. They are now their books. If they don't care about the covers why should I assume they care about what is inside?
The way I'd put it is that aside from the author's name (i.e., the reader happens to have read and enjoyed another book by that author), the most important selling tool is the book's cover. It's full of little signals that relate this book to other reading experiences you may have enjoyed. Unknown authors take far more damage from bad covers or no covers at all than big-name authors would take from them.

Duplicating obviously subpar covers puts me in mind of the newbie author whose first novel was caught in the collapse of the Ace Specials line. As he put it, "My book wasn't so much published as exposed."
They didn't change the covers on Marshall Cavendish books, either, after they bought the rights to MC's trade children's titles. There are some pretty bad covers there, as well.

Hundreds of books were involved in both purchases--for MC, it was over 400 titles. Even for Amazon, it probably would have been prohibitively expensive to re-design all the covers.
What matters is who owns the work, not how much it would cost to replace it.

I'd have to see the contracts, but my purely personal I-assert-nothing suspicion is that what's saving Amazon from a wave of copyright infringement actions is that many commercial artists don't have agents, aren't in the habit of making a fuss when their work is misused, and have no way of knowing when a book with their art on the cover has been sold to another house. I can imagine them taking action if their book cover illustrations were showing up on decorative cookie tins. It's harder for them to recognize Amazon's swipes as a second use of their art by a different publisher; and of course they're only going to see it if they stumble upon it by chance.

This doesn't mean they don't own the right to re-sell that art. Amazon is not in the clear. And if the original publishers wrongfully sold the covers as part of the deal, they too have walked off the cliff and are standing on air.

Here's one thing I do know: as of a few years ago, the big commercial photo and picture archives were insisting that the re-use on e-books, by the original publisher, of hardcopy book covers that used elements derived from the archives' stock of images, constituted a prohibited second use. As they saw it, publishers could use the same cover (or a slightly modified version thereof) for any hardcopy format; but the minute that cover was reproduced in connection with an e-edition of the same book, the publisher was over the line. (They also held that it didn't matter how transformative the use by the cover artist had been, which IMO was BS.)

Thing is, they were making it stick, even when the original image was a piece of soulless stock photography, and the use made of it had been very transformative indeed.

There's also the case of Shepard Fairey's iconic image of Obama, which was based on an unremarkable AP photo. Fairey said he accidentally scanned the wrong photo, but he still got nailed hard for the unauthorized use of someone else's image.

The only difference between these cases and the cover artists is that the cover artists aren't making a push for their rights.
 
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Now we know where PublishAmerica's cover artists go after PA fires them (to avoid giving them raises).
Be as merciful to struggling artists as you would be to struggling writers. They have hard times.