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Old 02-13-2005, 09:14 PM   #1
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I learned this morning that a member of my former critique group has a book coming out from Five Star Mysteries. After going through five pages of Google results, I haven't found a website for them. They have no listing in the 2005 edition of Writer's Market.

The author's greatest talent was persistence, both in writing copiously and in making the same sorts of errors over and over despite increasingly blunt critique from many. I am absolutely flabberghasted that this writer actually sold this book, which I critiqued a few chapters at a time.

While it's possible the rewrite addressed every serious issue and fatal flaw, the author's insistence that character development didn't matter and that the protagonist didn't need to think of or mention any past, family, friends, or having a home, seems likely to me to suggest that Five Star Mysteries might be a POD press, or that its standards are not as high as those of better-known publishers.

Does anyone here know anything about Five Star Mysteries? (Or am I just the epitome of sour grapes?)

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I found this, associated with a mystery mag. Is this the one? http://www.mysteryscenemag.com/gormania2.html
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Five Star publishes books (mostly hardcover) for library market. Their books usually aren't found in bookstores, but many libraries nationwide carry them. From what I hear, their advance is somewhat small ($1,000) and most authors don't seem to make much royalty beyond that.

Note: I got my numbers from this site. These figures are for Five Star romance. Figures may be different for mysteries.

They are small but legit. (But I'm no expert. This is just what I learned from hanging around in various writers groups/forums.)

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Thanks for the tip, Duncan. Actually, I did have it in quotes but the first result didn't look all that promising (without opening it, that is)--shows what I know, huh?

Cao, I don't think Mystery Scene magazine is affiliated with Five Star Mysteries, at least not the Thomson-Gale publisher by that name. Thomson is huge (I should know, "Mr. Maryn" works for a Thomson corporation!) and would definitely have its logo on there, and a more professional contact email than somebody's AOL address.

Crunchy Frog, $1000 is a decent, perhaps even a generous, advance for a writer of my acquaintance's skills. IMO this author was clearly among the most driven and the least talented of the critique group. And now, add living proof that wanting it bad enough can get results. (I'm trying hard to be inspired rather than WTF.)

So the author I know made what appears to be a real sale. I can only assume that some massive rethinking and rewriting took place. (Boy, would I love to have a job that let me write and rewrite novels 'on the clock'!) I'm pleased to see this person's work has improved so much.

I'm still a little confused, though--why would libraries want to own books that the public isn't buying in bookstores? I would think that sales figures would determine, in part anyway, what books the library decides it wants to own.

We got an acquisitions librarian who might enlighten me? Thanks.

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Maryn, there's also a Five Star Publications that's a vanity press: http://www.fivestarpublications.com/ It wouldn't be this, would it?

As others have said, the Five Star owned by Gale has a sizeable publication program targeted at libraries (there are a number of publishers like this). Five Star books are packaged, so there are some nonstandard aspects to the contract (for instance, the advance is actually $2,000, but the packager keeps half; it also takes a chunk of royalties), but the books have good distribution and get reviewed in trade publications.

I'm a mystery buff, so I've taken a number of Five Star books out of the library over the years, some pretty good, some fairly marginal. I don't want to say the bar is lower, but there does seem to be a tendency toward the formulaic. On the other hand, I just blurbed a very good fantasy from a newer writer put out by Five Star's fantasy program, which I think might have had a hard time getting picked up by one of the large imprints, because it's a "quiet" book without a lot of romance or slammin' battle sequences or gimmicky settings. So perhaps Five Star also gives exposure to books that are out of the genre mainstream, which is a good thing.

I believe they accept unagented submissions.

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I learned this morning that a member of my former critique group has a book coming out from Five Star Mysteries. After going through five pages of Google results, I haven't found a website for them. They have no listing in the 2005 edition of Writer's Market.
Try putting Five Star Mysteries in quotes into Google. You'll end up with better results (like the first hit on the first page) http://www.galegroup.com/fivestar/index.htm

Try as I might, I couldn't find a Submissions Guideline anywhere.
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Try as I might, I couldn't find a Submissions Guideline anywhere.
Submission guidelines are here: http://www.gale.cengage.com/pdf/impr...Guidelines.doc
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Hello everyone,

Does anybody have any experience with any of these self-publishing companies? I'm trying to avoid the POD route, but I find these services to be quite expensive.

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www.cypresshouse.com, www.fivestarpublications.com, www.thefloatinggallery.com, www.vbipublishing.com
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Does anybody have any experience with any of these self-publishing companies? I'm trying to avoid the POD route, but I find these services to be quite expensive.
If they charge a lot of money, I'm already suspicious. If you have something you believe in, even if it's not something a bigger publisher might be interested, have you considered a small press?

BTW one thing I find odd about Five Star Publications is that there is a small publisher called Five Star Publishing. While they are not recognized by RWA (Romance Writers of America), their titles are available in bookstores, and they have published books by previously published authors, such as Laura Leone and Barbara Metzger. But I've never seen anything by Five Star Publications. I wonder if Five Star Publications picked a similar name by accident or if they hoped people would get confused.

I wasn't all that impressed by the Five Star Publications page, however, as they don't have that many titles, even though they talk about how long they have been around, etc.
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Can I ask what type of work you want to get published? Some things are suitable for self-publishing, while others aren't.
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Actually, I've written a non-fiction work dealing with societal outlooks.

I remember seeing Linda Radke's reason for naming her publishing company Five Star Publications somewhere on her site, and it had something to do with her family.

These websites look ok, but I would just hate to invest that kind of money in a project only to have to go through some of the the things that POD authors have to go through in chasing up their publishers for their royalties and quarterly statements. Everytime I started to lean towards a particular POD company, I would read about somebody's nightmare experience with that outfit. Finally, I have pretty much come to the conlcusion that POD publishing is not for me anyway, which brings me to the search for a reliable, affordable self publishing company.

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There is another board here on self-publishing, POD companies and ebooks, that might also have useful information for you:

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=47
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It sounds like you need a printer, rather than a vanity press/self-publishing company. If you truly self-publish, you get to keep all the profit you make on your books.
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but I would just hate to invest that kind of money in a project only to have to go through some of the the things that POD authors have to go through in chasing up their publishers for their royalties and quarterly statements.
Have you looked into lulu.com or cafepress.com? I think you can find out more about them in the forum Trapped in Amber suggested.
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Okay, I sent an email novel query to Alexis Star Productions, addressing it to Scott Havsy. Which redirected me to barrister88@comcast.net (for spam reason, I think). I got a request for the entire email manuscript from a Mr. Helfers from Tekno Books tekno@new.rr.com . Mr Helfers said to send in the manuscript and take a look at his attachment, which was Five Star Productions, who publish original sci-fi like mine. My question is, is Helfers an agent who has an agreement with Five Star? Hell, I don't even know who to send the email manuscript to now. I assume it goes to Mr. Helfers, since he is the one who responded to me.

Five Star seems like a whopping big house who has published serious big names in sci-fi, but they admit that their market in primarily the library market in hardcover editions only, but paperback CAN be an option. What the heck is this? Library only? I've never heard of such a thing--no bookstore placement.
What kind of an outfit is this? The advance is $1,000 and the royalties seem to be based on net.

I'm totally confused with this "pass the potato" type response. Has anyone had any dealings with these people?

What does Mr. Halfers have to do with my original sub to the Scott Havsy Agencey? Is somebody refering me to somebody else?

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I presume you know that Tekno Books is Marty Greenberg's outfit?
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James, who is Marty Greenberg? I get a nasty feeling that this is a middleman or bookpackager. Could I be correct here, if he's taking a chunck of money out of the advance (50%) and 20% royalties. Am I in trouble here?

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Yes, Marty's a packager.

Things you should know: a) his checks clear, b) he's an expert at exploiting niche and oddball markets, and c) while his definitions of terms like pro rata are consistent within Tekno they aren't a 100% match with everyone else's definitions.

A book with Tekno counts as a genuine publishing credit and some of them have done quite well.
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Five Star Publishing is a division of Thomson-Gale. Tekno (a book packager) took over editorial duties for Five Star Expressions (the Romance subdivision) in 2004. IIRC, the Five Star line focuses on hardcovers for libraries and such.
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Tekno Books is Marty Greenberg's outfit.

He pays on time, and the books get excellent distribution. The only caveat is that he interprets the term "pro rata" differently than anyone else in publishing.
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Why would that make a difference? As long as you've written a good story and it's what this publisher is looking for (genre-wise or whatever).

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