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'Twas but a dream of thee
El Jefe
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Newbie Guide!
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Hi new members! I'm Mac. I own AW, the software licenses, archived articles, and the server we run on. But no one owns a community, and that's what this message board is really about. Community. We have a whole passel of moderators. These people selflessly volunteer their time and energy, they know the community, and I trust them. Be nice to 'em. They work hard. You'll notice they're designated by the user-title under their name, and if you have a question, a mod is always a great person to ask. You can see the names of the moderators for each room in the column on the far right side, here. If you click on a name, it will take you to the moderator's profile where you'll find a link to contact that person, either by leaving a visitor message or sending a private message. The AW forums are pretty big, and there are a lot of people posting here about pretty much every writing-related subject under the sun. That can be overwhelming, so here are some guidelines just to get you on your way. You don't have to be a member to read, but if you want to participate in the conversations you'll have to register. You can register here: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/register.php . It's free, and only takes a moment or two. If you don't get your email confirmation, check your spamtrap! If it's not there, either, send me an email and I'll help. Okay, then! So now you're all registered, and ready to post! Some forums have extremely strict guidelines about things like signature links. We'll ban sigline spammers, here, too - but usually only if they're spamming links to cell phones, shoes, cheap viagra, and the like. We actually LIKE you to link your blogs, books, writing-interest sites, and so on. We firmly believe it helps build community, creates stable information environments, improves education, and strengthens relationships. Just don't join up solely to flog your own site and services. That's spamming, and it's exploitive, and it's not cool. Don't join up just because you think it's a good way to market yourself, your book, or your blog. Again, it's spamming, it's boring, and you won't be met with a lot of enthusiasm. And we've had one or two accidental bannings, over the years - but a note sent via the "contact us" form at the bottom of the screen usually gets things sorted out pretty fast. We'd love a chance to say hello and learn a bit about you, if you're not too shy to introduce yourself. Just visit the Newbies board and start a new thread to say hello, and tell us who you are, what you write, or get to know some of the other new members. (You don't have to, no one is keeping track -- but it's a fun and easy way to meet some of your fellow community members.) ________________________________________________ Basics of Posting: To start a new thread, you just click the button that says "New Thread" -- it's towards the top, on the left side of your screen. It looks like this: ![]() To participate in a conversation that already has a thread, just go all the way to the bottom and click "Post Reply," It looks like this: ![]() Or if you scroll down just a bit more, you can type directly into the "Quick Reply" box at the bottom of the thread. If you'd like to respond to one particular post out of many, you should quote it. Just click the "Quote" button at the bottom of the post you're responding to. It looks like this: ![]() If you want to respond to several posts, you can use the multi-quote button, then click "Post Reply," and they'll all be automatically quoted in your reply box, when you click "Post Reply." It looks like this: ![]() Don't forget to trim the posts you're quoting so we don't all have to read the whole thing twice! You can just delete everything except for the sentence or two you want to reference. Okay! Now you're posting. You're ready for some of the finer points of belonging to a large, online community. ______________________________________________ Getting Along on Absolute Write: So there's only one real rule here: Respect your fellow writers. If that seems sort of vague, it translates more plainly this way: Don't be a jerk. Respect your fellow writers covers a lot of territory: It's also why we generally don't allow a user to have multiple accounts. If someone sneaks under our radar, creates multiple accounts for the purposes of arguing with himself, or posting from multiple accounts to make it appear multiple members are supporting a particular point of view in a discussion with other posters, that's called sock-puppeting. It has an old and well-established history on the Web, and it's not good netiquette. It's also grounds for immediate banning from AW. Don't do it, even if you do get carried away and it seems like a great way to get your point across, 'kay? It's extraordinarily disrespectful to your fellow community members. We're not a wild-n-wooly sort of a message board. Flame wars just don't fly, here. Personal attacks on other members are right out. Just don't do it. We do have a lot of heated conversations about everything under the sun. Writers can get into knock-down-drag-outs over something so obvious as the serial comma being Always Correct. That brings us to language. ON LANGUAGE - You might notice that this board doesn't currently **** out curse words. That's deliberate. This is a writer's board; we certainly should each have the minimal control necessary over our own language to know how civilized adults speak in public. We strongly urge you to use that knowledge and control. Different rooms may have a different tolerance level for salty language. If in doubt, choose a different word. Otherwise, prepare yourself to have your post deleted, or to be asked to edit your post. Our intention in turning off the profanity censor was never to make profanity more widely exploited. Quite the opposite: the intention was to throw the onus of responsibility for your language back into your very own laps. When and if you choose to curse, please consider your words and choose them deliberately and with great care. Excruciating care, in fact. There may well be that rare occasion when a carefully chosen curse word is both effective and appropriate. Please don't attempt to exploit that. On a similar note: abuse or disrespect of any member via private message or rep point comment isn't tolerated, and if reported or discovered, will result in administrative intervention -- which may range from disabling your access to those particular features, and /or banning. Primarily, the complaints I get about rep points or PM abuse are almost ALL either about heated disagreements taken private, or else they're about unwelcome sexual advances. We take that stuff pretty seriously. There's always a certain amount of flirting and joking around on any message board. It's pretty normal. But it also gets out of hand pretty fast, sometimes. If that happens, a mod will be along to ask you to display a bit more discretion. It's not personal. Try to look at it like this: Say you went to a huge yard party, and some of the guests were single, and a bunch of them were friends, but a bunch more were total strangers, and some guests were married, and some brought kids --BUT a few people got a bit wild and thought it would be fun to take off all their clothes and dance on the furniture, and the host said, "err, hang on, folks. Not that kind of party, so please put your pants back on; in the meantime, does anyone want to volunteer to run the grill?" That's what we have mods and admin for. If it happens that there's someone you just cannot get along with, and your blood pressure rises every time you see them post -- then use the ignore function. You can find the ignore feature in your User CP (User Control Panel), at the top left, in the dark blue menu bar. I'm going to take the liberty of swiping part of the the excellent original newbie-guide post Jenna made about the User CP, and quoting it here: Quote:
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'Twas but a dream of thee
El Jefe
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Out on a limb
Posts: 19,132
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More on Respecting Your Fellow Writer
On Respecting Your Fellow Writer
We've always, first and foremost, used "respect your fellow writer" as our guiding principle. It's a really good one, in general. I absolutely believe in it. And we're not going to be making a bunch of rules and regulations to quote, because that's a whole can of worms with its own set of special problems. (Edit and Admin wars on Wikipedia are a perfect example of how quickly and horribly that goes awry.) It's really not complicated. Seriously. It means don't act like a jerk. You don't name-call, or bait, or sneer, or taunt, or generally be unpleasant to the people around you; at least, not if you want to stay here very long. As an example, (but NOT LIMITED TO), not being a jerk means don't commit those jerky writerly sins: Don't plagiarize. Don't shamelessly swipe facts and arguments from someone else's Wikipedia article or blog post without attribution -- and even with attribution, you don't post anyone else's copyrighted materials here in their entirety; no one wants to read entire articles or book reviews from elsewhere, either, no matter how glowing or how much that entire article proves your point. Just post a brief excerpt with a link to the source. So here's the thing. Many of us passionately disagree with each other, about everything from politics to religion to using the serial comma. But what makes AW the amazing community that it is, is that we manage to create an environment of inclusiveness, in spite of our differences. (I'll admit to a romantic notion of the Cooler as a sort of Rick's Cafe, where people from all walks and backgrounds can meet and find common ground and a relatively safe place to be. And if you don't get the Casablanca reference, I grieve for you. Also, get thee to NetFlix and put it in your movie queue.) ![]() So. Inclusiveness. This can be really tricky stuff. More so than it seems like it ought to be, sometimes. You might find a joke gets deleted, or a thread gets locked, that seems perfectly innocent, to you. Usually, if that happens, it's because there were people who were much less comfortable with it. The complexity and diversity in our backgrounds can be much more difficult to face and deal with, honestly, when things are couched in terms of "gosh, it was all just in good fun" because of the built-in refusal to examine underlying attitudes of exclusion, or "I'm normal and you're not" -- which by extension implies that anyone who insists on examining exactly that is humorless and "PC." Which reminds me -- accusing each other of "being PC" when you disagree really isn't cool. And what it usually boils down to is that someone is being a jerk or a bigot -- maybe inadvertently, maybe not -- and gets called on it which makes that person defensive. You'll notice, please, I'm also not demanding that anyone agree with my worldview. You don't have to. And you can absolutely debate and discuss and tell me you think I'm wrong, and why you think so -- PMs are usually more appropriate for that, but if it's a discussion that you honestly believe would benefit the community, I'm willing to have that discussion on the boards in public, too. What members (and all of us are members, mods too) don't get to do is marginalize other members. And we have Muslims and Catholics and Moral-Majority conservative Pentecostals. Republicans and Libertarians and Anarchists. We have brown people, pink people, pot-smokers, hippies, suburban moms, ex-cons, ex-cops, and Homeland Security specialists. We have married folks, and polyamorous folks, and singles and swingers and queers. You get the drift, I'm sure. I'm not inclined to try and prevent people from thinking and believing whatever they're inclined to think and believe -- whether they're fanatic adherents to the use of the serial comma, or won't use any capital letters or commas at all. It would be a fool's errand, for one thing, and this would be a rather stagnant and boring community, for another. I'm also not inclined to let people behave like bullies about their beliefs. My concern about this stuff is largely in terms of building and maintaining a mostly-egalitarian community, at least as much as humanly possible. Because what happens when you get a preponderance of members who tend to agree and share a cultural background, and they take for granted or actively put forth -- even it it's never said in so many words -- that their world view is the only "normal" or "right" world view, is that people who see things differently finally just quietly go away. Since I'm one of those people who would be quietly going away, if I kept my mouth shut about the stuff that really bothers me, or seems exclusive rather than inclusive, I have a vested interest in not letting that happen, here. That's what "respect your fellow writer" means to me.
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Ruining your porn since 1984
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Newbie Guide!
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Been mulling over the whole thing in a recent thread where the subject was about rape, and mulling especially over the responses to my link to the Schrodinger's Rapist blog post. Those who haven't read it, it's really a pretty good post! It also ties in very well with Meet the Predators, which talks about the existence of rapists, who they are based on studies and how they operate. Oh, and this, too. In the discussion, I posited that depicting rapists as monsters is part of the problem, and the reply I received was that the Schrodinger's Rapist attitude must therefore also be a part of the problem, as it treats all men as monsters. I disagree, and I'm going to try to articulate why. What is Schrodinger's Rapist? Most people, when they leave their car, will lock it. They will roll up the windows, make sure any potentially tempting valuables are hidden under the seat or in the glove compartment, they may or may not attach something to the steering wheel, and will lock the car when they exit it. That doesn't mean they think everyone is a car thief just waiting for the opportunity to strike. What it does mean is that most people recognise that at any time there is a chance, which may be smaller or larger depending on circumstances, that someone may be nearby who may break into their car. Car crime is significantly less common than rape and sexual assault. In the Meet the Predators blog post, studies are mentioned which indicate that in a population with an average age somewhere in the mid-twenties, that roughly 1 in 16 will openly admit to committing rape, who started raping in their late teens and have by that stage in their lives committed an average of 6 rapes each. These same rapists also admitted to lesser sexual assaults and violence, as well as more disturbing acts like sexual assault of children. They target friends, relatives or acquaintances the vast majority of the time, and in the rare times they target strangers they almost never use overt violence or threats of violence. Studies have shown that between 1-in-6 and 1-in-3 women will experience some form of sexual assault or sexual violence in their lives, and that roughly 1-in-16 women will be raped. Depending on which study you read, of course. At the same time, we live in a society where rape victims are overwhelmingly treated as being partially or wholly responsible for being attacked. This can be everything from people stating a person couldn't possibly have been really raped because they were old, or fat, or otherwise not conventionally attractive, to positing that a child was somehow responsible for her own gang rape, and that the rape accusation is going to ruin the lives of her rapists. It is normal that pretty much any time a woman admits publicly to having been assaulted, she will be questioned. Why were you walking home alone? Why did you let the electrician enter your home? Why did you take the bus at night? Why did you get into that taxi alone? Why were you dressed that way? Why were you drinking alcohol at that party? What did you say to him? Did you say no? Did you say no forcefully enough? Did you fight back? Did you run? There is pretty much no circumstance a woman can be in when she is raped, that will not include things people will question. As a whole, we are overwhelmingly taught from a young age that we are responsible for protecting ourselves from predators. At the same time, we also learn from a young age that men who notice us may or may not turn nasty if they don't like how we respond. I know I'm not the only woman who has had "Smile, lovely." or "Hey girl! Hey pretty girl!" or "Nice tits!" or "PHWOOAR!" Turn into "Fuck you, bitch!" "You cunt I want to talk to you!" "You're just a fat lesbo slag!" "How would you like me to get my black friend to rape you?!" (actual thing I was told by a 14 year old earlier this year walking home) if we don't respond, or don't respond nicely enough, or respond but politely decline their interest. And I'm not the only one who has had seemingly nice men grab me when I'm alone on public transport, or masturbate at me, or try to manoeuvre me into a concealed space during conversation, or otherwise go from banal to threatening. It happens, and usually you don't know about it until they make some overt move against you. Rapists do not have their crimes tattooed on their foreheads. They do not walk around drooling and sweating and breathing heavily, rubbing their palms against their thighs every time they see a potential target. They do not creep up behind strangers and lick their necks. They, as a whole, act just like everyone else. So. Rapists represent 1 in 16 of the population, are repeat offenders and predatory in their tactics, and are outwardly no different to anyone else. Society as a whole judges and interrogates rape victims and sexual assault victims, and tends to place partial or entire blame on them. The risk of assuming a person - any person, whether they are a complete stranger or someone you've known for years - to be safe carries a high cost. It is incredibly offensive to me that there are people who think women are being unkind, or judgemental, or "part of the problem", when they take precautions to protect themselves, simply because those precautions might mean they silently, without telling you or acting in an offensive way towards you, analyse you as a potential threat. When you (general you) demand or expect that women should compromise their own comfort and safety in order to avoid offending you, you are asking that they put themselves at risk for you. You are asking for the same things that predators ask for. Of the three links I posted above, you might take note of this quote from the last one. Quote:
*If this seems shocking or surprising to you, consider that you might have fur, and that Being Cold hasn't formed the background radiation of your life.
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'Twas but a dream of thee
El Jefe
Join Date: Feb 2005
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I've copied Bunnymaz' excellent post from elsewhere here to the Newbie Guide. If you're interested in the resulting discussion, you're welcome to follow the link to the original thread.
I'm not going to comment on it, beyond simply adding that rape culture is a politically-charged topic extremely relevant to all writers, and these discussion come up here on AW from time to time. Those discussions may be triggering for a number of people, but they're important discussions to have. By the same token, you'll find that rape "jokes" aren't welcome here, and sexual harassment of a fellow board member is never okay.
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AW on FaceBook AW on Twitter! About.Me Sofa Monkeys - Pop Culture for the Short Attention Span | Creating Home - Living well, creating a home, and cooking with Mom! | Stones In the Field - Random notes and maunderings Last edited by MacAllister; 06-16-2012 at 12:41 AM. |
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