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My mother recently told me about a book a friend had self-published. My mother said she was appalled at the typos and lack of proof-reading. (Both of these women are lively, well-educated-- and in their mid-80's, which makes it especially sad.)

I just visited my mom and she showed me her friend's book. Sure enough, it was put out by Authorhouse. An attempt at a pretty lively action/suspense novel dealing with current social issues--complete with sex and salty language. Have to admit I admired the spunk of a woman in her 80's writing like that! Certainly, some problems with overwriting, too many adverbs and adjectives, cliches, some unfortunate attempts to write in dialect. But honestly, I have seen much worse.

But the typos and mispellings were all over the place. Including some glaring ones, like errors in the "Auther's (sic) Note" at the end. ("Author" mispelled, punctuation problems.) The blurb on the back had the MC's name spelled two different ways.

The saddest thing of all was that the author had followed the "rule" for manuscript submission to a real publisher, and had written all the foreign words (there were many) in underlined script, rather than italics. The "publisher" left it as is, underlined. So it looked like someone's college term paper.

I suppose the defense of Authorhouse is that it's the "auther's" responsbility--but really, you'd think the place would have a little self respect!

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Authorhouse offers to edit your manuscript for a fee. If someone chooses not to have their manuscript edited then it will get printed in all it's unedited glory. Simple enough. The author should have chosen the editing option or looked for an outside editor first. That's not the fault of Authorhouse. They let you know all of this up front.
 

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I suppose the defense of Authorhouse is that it's the "auther's" responsbility--but really, you'd think the place would have a little self respect!

Susan

The only thing Authorhouse is interested in is does the check cash or not.

They take no ownership of the manuscript.

And they shouldn't. They're a vanity printer.
 

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I wonder what the chances are of a commercial publisher taking her on just BECAUSE it's a great news story, and thus publicitywise good for teen sales, a la Kaavya Viswanathan? You know, 13 year old writes the next Harry Potter. Doesn't even matter if the book is good; teens might buy it. That's a worrying thought.
Worrying thought? What do you think Eragon was?

However, I do wish SOMEONE would point out that PoD does NOT equal self-published. While PoD publishers (the legitimate ones) aren't for everyone by any means, they are royalties paying publishers.
 

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I'm a bit worried as I was thinking of printing with Authorhouse in the UK but from what I've read the feedback doesn't sound too good. I wonder if anyone knows if the UK one is better as sometimes it can depend on the staff? One branch of a company might be bad and another might have a great team?

Amy

From what I've heard, the UK branch is just a tiny arm of the real company, so I would not expect it to be any better, rather I would expect it to be worse if anything.

As someone who had a book with Authorhouse and had the contract cancelled (see my blog post on the subject for all the details), I would advise you to wait and do more research before you make such a big decision. The regret from POD failure can really impact your self-esteem and your belief in your writing talent, as has happened to me. I struggle every day with trying to believe in my talent.
 

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I just found out that Authorhouse might be selling my book again, after I got back my rights nearly a year ago (see how I found out for details).

I'm now thinking of doing a test buy to see if this is true (that is, if I can really buy a new book). Amazon.com hadn't had new copies since about last February, and hadn't had used copies for a long time. It has been listed as "not available" for about six months, even on the rare occasions that a used copy showed up. Now Amazon.com says new copies are available (not just "like new" used copies from other vendors, or if this is the case then Amazon.com is hiding it and making it look like the new copies come directly from Amazon).

What I'm wondering is this: is there any cheaper and/or faster way for me to discover the truth? Amazon.com says a new copy will take weeks to arrive. I'm a college student on a tight budget and I'm hoping to clear this up fast. Amazon.com has a high sales rank for my book for the first time in months, but I know this just means that someone attempted to buy the book, because sales rank jumps with the purchase, not when the book is shipped. I took a screen shot anyway, just in case.

Or do I just have to shell out the money and wait for six weeks?
 

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Anybody know anything about Wordclay self-publishing? Good, bad, indifferent? Thanks in advance!
If the author does not own the ISBN, it is not self-publishing. Presumably "Wordclay" is just another subsidy publisher. The giveaway is right there on the company's home page: "We're focused on publishing books for authors."

Nice looking site, though. Seems very professional.

If you are interested in self-publishing (or even subsidy publishing), allow me to urge you to read the latest edition of Dan Poynter's Self-Publishing Manual.

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Admittedly, I have little experience with the self-publishing industry. Wordclay seems set up a lot like Lulu, where you step through what is essentially a wizard that helps you design and compile your own book, rather than submitting it to a publisher--vanity, subsidy, traditional or otherwise--for them to produce. Do subsidy publishers work like this, too? Honest, question, not a challenge...just curious.

Thanks for the ref on Poytner's book. Have heard of it, will check it out.
 

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Admittedly, I have little experience with the self-publishing industry. Wordclay seems set up a lot like Lulu, where you step through what is essentially a wizard that helps you design and compile your own book, rather than submitting it to a publisher--vanity, subsidy, traditional or otherwise--for them to produce. Do subsidy publishers work like this, too? Honest, question, not a challenge...just curious.

Thanks for the ref on Poytner's book. Have heard of it, will check it out.
No, the outright subsidy publishers such as iUniverse and Trafford require fees up front. Wordclay seems closer to Lulu than to an iUniverse, but also (apparently) will itself sell some add-on services (editing, maybe others) that Lulu does not. (Lulu lists third parties that sell those services.)

The subsidy is buried in the cost of books in the case of Lulu and (apparently) Wordclay in the form of a markup over what they pay for the books to be printed. Nothing wrong with that. Perfectly reasonable system. That is in contrast to the author buying directly from a printer.

All of the various approaches have their uses.

Wordclay looks like a decent company, if I can judge from its website. Well designed, informative, and as near as I can tell free from any deception. I would not be surprised if the company does well.

As a technicality, if Wordclay owns the ISBN on a book, then Wordclay is the publisher of record, not the author. To some that is a quibble, but it is a clear dividing line to my self-publishing/small-press friends in a regional organization of same (see www.norcalpa.org for more information). But it does not in any way detract from the services provided. Readers will not care one way or the other. The difference might be important for other purposes, such as eligibility for awards for self-publishers.

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I just found out that Authorhouse might be selling my book again, after I got back my rights nearly a year ago (see how I found out for details).

I'm now thinking of doing a test buy to see if this is true (that is, if I can really buy a new book). Amazon.com hadn't had new copies since about last February, and hadn't had used copies for a long time. It has been listed as "not available" for about six months, even on the rare occasions that a used copy showed up. Now Amazon.com says new copies are available (not just "like new" used copies from other vendors, or if this is the case then Amazon.com is hiding it and making it look like the new copies come directly from Amazon).

What I'm wondering is this: is there any cheaper and/or faster way for me to discover the truth? Amazon.com says a new copy will take weeks to arrive. I'm a college student on a tight budget and I'm hoping to clear this up fast. Amazon.com has a high sales rank for my book for the first time in months, but I know this just means that someone attempted to buy the book, because sales rank jumps with the purchase, not when the book is shipped. I took a screen shot anyway, just in case.

Or do I just have to shell out the money and wait for six weeks?

Ok, well I just purchased a copy. I guess I'll know in six weeks. But if anyone knows of any additional ways I can check up on this, I'm listening.
 

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I read their home page, and my impression was that they are yet another Vainity Press for authors who want to get published fast and don't care how they get it done. WordClay does not sound like a book printer to me, so if you are looking to self-publish, they are not the way to go.

If you are looking for info on the differances between self-publishing and vainity press publishing, here is a website that might help you out.

You want to remember that self-publishing is you starting a buisness (a publishing house.... be sure to name it... Such and Such Press, etc DO NOT USE YOUR OWN NAME AS THE NAME OF YOUR PUBLISHING HOUSE!!!). You will need to be in complete control of everything: writing the book, font layout, cover design, editing, promotion, book signings, marketing, and direct sales to local book dealers. (and in some states you are required to get a buisness liciense first... check your local laws, usualy you don't need to but, there are a few towns that require it.). When you self-publishh, you do not send you book to a publisher, because you are the publisher. Instead you send your book to a printer or print shop... most authors use either a local copy shop or one of 2 online book printers: LuLu.com or Morris Press. (As far as I know these are the only 2 online print shops that have any real reputation with high quality books for self-publishers.) Remember too, that LuLu and Morris Press put their name in your book AS THE PRINTER not as the publisher.... neither is a publisher.

With vainity press, you do most all the same work, you would do as a self-publisher, but you do not set up your own publishing house, instead you pay a publishing house to print your book (rarly do they do anything more than print the books... a few might edit it for a fee, and a couple offer a royalty against sales.) Vainity Press gets it's name from an author's needing to see their name in print and having enough money to pay to get their name in print.

While several self-published books make it on the best-seller list every year (most recently Eragon), often selling millions of copies, "Vainity Press" books rarely sell more than 100 in their entire lifetime.

As a general rule it's best to stay away from Vainity Press publishers if you want your book to sell. If you just want a few copies for friends and family, than vainity press is the way to go. What you need to do, is decide where you want to see your book, how "big" you want to see your name gt, and how much effort you are willing to put into your book to reach your goals.

I hope this helps!
 

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Sorry to double post. I am just now reading the comments on this thread and feel that I must comment on one of them, this one:

If the author does not own the ISBN, it is not self-publishing. Presumably "Wordclay" is just another subsidy publisher. The giveaway is right there on the company's home page: "We're focused on publishing books for authors."

Nice looking site, though. Seems very professional.

If you are interested in self-publishing (or even subsidy publishing), allow me to urge you to read the latest edition of Dan Poynter's Self-Publishing Manual.

--Ken


YES! YES! YES! Dan Poynter has self-published over 100 books, several of which became best-sellers. He is by far the world's top authority on self publishing, and his book Self Publishing Manual is the best of the best books ever written on self publishing.

I own a copy of this book and have read it several times. It have helped me immensly in my own career as a self-publisher, no self-publisher should be without that book. I have been self-publishing since the 1970's, but it wasn't until I got his book that I really took off and turned my self publishing from a "back-room hobby" to a full blown career. He explains everything so nicely. It helped me loads and loads. I wish I had bought it sooner!
 

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Wordclay

Anyone hear about this company that offers free self-publishing. What's the catch?

Karen
 

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It is part of authorhouse/iUniverse as I recall. The catch is the cover price will be high. They have to make their money somewhere and as the average self-POD sells about 20 copies they need a good mark-up to be in the black.
 

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I found this tacky little blog, AuthorTreeHouse, on my Wordpress.com Tag Surfer (yes, that is a premade blog theme). That name set off some alarm bells. It mentioned a site called AuthorTree. Guess who one of their partner sites is.
 

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Anybody have any experience with these guys???
 

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