Unreasonable Fear?

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Hello All,

One of the rules in the music business is to not share your work until it's copywritten.

Should I be afraid to post work on this forum? I don't want to be afraid nor cynical. However, in these worst of times (hackers, identity theives, and downright unsavory people), I am afraid someone might lift an idea and run with it.

Like everyone on this forum, I too can use the encouragement as well as the critique. Working from my home office, I often feel as though I'm the only person on the isle of hope and dreams.

The response to the postings I've placed so far have been oh so encouraging and helpful. Dare I stop posting due to fear?

Thoughts,

Perry
 

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It probably be better to post this question in the music forum.

My understanding of copyright law is that as soon as you create something it is copyright protected. So, as long as you can prove that whatever you post is your original work and the date that it was created, your work is protected.
 

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Thank you for the replies. I meant to use the music business thought as an analogy regarding posting one's writing ideas on this forum.

But I guess you're correct. When someone posts something to the forum, the posting is date and time stamped. Kind of a smoking gun as to whose idea it was in the first place and when the idea first became known to others.

Probably should have posted this in the newbie section since I am a newbie. And this is probably not the first time a question on this subject has been asked.

Again, thank you for the responses!

Perry
 

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Yeah, your fear is largely unreasonable, although most newbies experience it. What you'll learn (as do most literary thieves) is that it's DARN hard to sell writing. They're way better off stealing something they can take to a pawn shop.

If you post samples of your work for critique in our Share Your Work forums, you'll be safe from most prying eyes as it's password-protected. You can further lessen the remote chances of theft by deleting it after you've received your feedback.

See also the thread on copyright in our FAQs forum.

Relax and welcome. :)
 

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I can only say 'amen' to what's said above. Welcome to the Cooler, Perry, and don't worry a lot about posting some excerpts of your writing - it's safe here.


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Welcome to AW, Perry! We'd love to see your excerpts for a crit.
 

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Welcome, psell! :welcome:

Your profile doesn't specify location, so I can't give country-specific advice, but basically - you don't need to worry. As you say, any actual writing posted here is automatically date-stamped, and no-one could nick it with impunity.

However, in Europe at least, you can't copyright an idea - only the expression of it. If you have a fabulously original concept for an entirely new and different kind of book, then it's best to keep it to yourself till you've worked it up properly. In reality, it probably won't matter much, since the idea is nothing without the execution - and Shakespeare stole almost all his plots from other people :D. It's also sadly true that lots of us have the same idea at the same time, and think we're all original. It's incredibly unlikely anyone would take your idea, but if the prospect bothers you then it's safer not to post it - that way, when you see the same idea from someone else you'll know it's only because that's the way things go, and won't imagine you're the victim of a dastardly crime!

I don't know US copyright law, I'm afraid - but I'm sure someone else here can help. I've found this a great site, with experts on absolutely everything.
 

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Hello All,
:welcome:!
One of the rules in the music business is to not share your work until it's copywritten.
Woops, looks like you mean "copyrighted" unless you're talking about writing adverstising text.

I recall (because I actually heard about it) the copyright law was changed in the late 1970's so that anything put down in "tangible form" is automatically covered under copyright. For music that includes the traditional writing the melody in sheet music, but also an audio recording of a performance is enough for it to be covered under copyright. There's registering a copyright, but that's something different and additional.

Also,there are hundreds of people going against that very idea of "not to share your work" here recording and posting songs as they write them, and some of it's some pretty amazingly good stuff, all written since the start of February - just hit the little play triangle:
http://fawm.org/jukebox/
If you come across some guy using my name, just skip the song, that guy can't sing worth a crap! ;)

And here's hoping you, perhaps just now having discovered FAWM, don't all of a sudden disappear until March!

I understand the music business is a little different in that traditionally a song isn't considered "published" until a recording has been released on a "major label" (after which anyone can get a "compulsive license" to record a cover of it), but the music biz is of course going through big changes. In book publishing, having a substantial amount of it just "available on the Internet," even if few people know about it, is considered "being published" and they won't buy first publishing rights. But as other say, posting in the SYW forums is NOT considered publishing, because it's password-protected, and only members here can read it - it's not available to anyone on the Internet.

Should I be afraid to post work on this forum? I don't want to be afraid nor cynical. However, in these worst of times (hackers, identity theives, and downright unsavory people), I am afraid someone might lift an idea and run with it.

Like everyone on this forum, I too can use the encouragement as well as the critique. Working from my home office, I often feel as though I'm the only person on the isle of hope and dreams.

The response to the postings I've placed so far have been oh so encouraging and helpful. Dare I stop posting due to fear?
There are other threads here where others have asked this very same question. The "general discussion" threads such as this one get indexed by Google and other search engines, but written work is posted in SYW which is password-protected and NOT indexed by any search engines.

There's never a total guarantee of safety, but having your writings stolen is a pretty low risk. If safety is important at all to you, be sure to fasten your seat belt when driving or riding in a car. :)
 

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Yeah, your fear is largely unreasonable, although most newbies experience it. What you'll learn (as do most literary thieves) is that it's DARN hard to sell writing. They're way better off stealing something they can take to a pawn shop.

Amen to that!

:welcome: to the Cooler!
 

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Share some stuff, and you'll realise nobody wants to steal your crap anyway. That got me over my fear real quick. :D
 

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:welcome: psell!

And it seems that well-qualified and smarter peeps have already answered your questions.

I hope you enjoy your time here. And to help you enjoy it even more, I would suggest visiting us at Jed's Super-Dooper Newbie 'Traditional Irish Pub' thread . We have cookies, breakfast, drinks, karaoke, and good natured fun!

~Christine
 

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Hey! Welcome to the AW cooler! :hi:

We are a friendly bunch and you should be able to find anything you are interested in here. And don’t worry about Jed, the newbie Mod. He looks fierce but he is really a big green softy…well a kinda lumpy softy. It is from all those bruises from pokes with sticks…:e2poke:
Anyway, Welcome and make yourself at home. We tend to party a lot around here, hope you like to dance....

:PartySmil


PS- if you are looking for fun places to start exploring these are my personal favorites:

Jed's Super-Dooper Newbie 'Traditional Irish Pub' and Pink Flamingo Emporium

old abandoned air duct

The Looney Bin