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I literally sent over 100 proposals [not queries because mine was non-fiction] easily and ended up with 8-12 agents interested and 2 publishers. The rest either didn't respond, or sent a form rejection because it wasn't there field or they weren't the right agent for this.

The site I used was pretty helpful in distinguishing whether they allowed simultaneous submissions, you could check it out but it does cost money. Writersmarket.com

I've finished the queries, hit the agent part and am currently waiting for publishers to respond to him. I would love to tell you the waiting get easier but it doesn't :( I'm still having trouble getting through it. Good luck though!
 

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Thanks Arya. Don't most agents want the query first and then the proposal on request? That's what I'm finding on their submission guidelines.
I'll check the site out that you mentioned too.
 

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Thanks Arya. Don't most agents want the query first and then the proposal on request? That's what I'm finding on their submission guidelines.
I'll check the site out that you mentioned too.

Proposals are for non-fiction I believe. By proposal I don't mean any part of the manuscript. What I sent was basically a pitch..

Why it would market, outline of content, credentials, a summary of the novel, etc. However, this is for nonfiction.

After the proposal, they would ask for sample chapters / 50-100 pages. But keep in mind if your book isn't nonfiction then you would most likely need a query not a proposal.

Did a bit of snooping around:

for non-ficition (except memoirs/autobiographies), a proposal is used rather than a query.

This next one is in response to my posting my proposal in Query Hell for them to critique just for fun. He explains in detail the difference.

Arya, great job finding an agent.

But this is nonfiction. There's a difference.

Fiction queries are written in a specific way. They have a set format, and agents who represent fiction want to see them that way.

Nonfiction queries, however, can be written a little more loosely. Although I do not have an agent, I got the acquisitions editor at the publisher interested in a very casually-written email. I currently have a proposal at a publisher for a nonfiction book I'd like to write that was requested from another informally-written email.

In other words, with nonfiction, you could very well get away with a query email that simply goes something like: Dear Agent, Since you represent current events/lifestyles nonfiction books, I'd like to tell you about the book I've written. It's a behind-the-lives book about high school students written by a high school student. What their lives are really like. The pains, the issues, etc. etc. etc. It's gritty, etc. etc. Below is a a sample chapter."

And the agent likes the idea of the book in the query letter (quite possibly because he just happens to be looking for something right at that moment), reads your well-written sample, and then asks for the proposal.

Unless you sent a cover letter, you sent only a proposal. Right away, the agent saw that it was professionally-constructed, read well, followed the correct format, and was interesting enough to ask you for more.

With nonfiction, it can be done that way. You're proof.

Fiction . . . . not so much. Fiction is entertainment. Nonfiction is information done hopefully in an entertaining way.

That topic is : http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4363240#post4363240

If you want to see what my proposal looks like versus other queries :)
 
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I have an agent, but when I was looking, I ONLY sent out a query to the NF agents (making sure they were NF agents and might be interested in my book.)

My proposal is 84 pages and includes a chapter by chapter outline, how I've built/am building my platform, the competition, marketing, etc. It's a long, thorough document (as they all want) so I would never send it as an attachment because it might get deleted.

I sent out 10 queries by email each DAY, and each weekend mailed out 10 queries by snail mail (for those that insisted that's how they wanted to be contacted.)

I had about 10 agents ask for the proposal, and then five wanted to represent me and I signed with the best of those. (A couple, I later learned, were a bit "questionable" or hadn't made many sales.)

Funny thing is, after a year, I was STILL getting "Not for us" email respones (a YEAR!) as well as, "Looks interesting--send the proposal!) A YEAR LATER!
 

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Thanks Arya. Don't most agents want the query first and then the proposal on request? That's what I'm finding on their submission guidelines.
I'll check the site out that you mentioned too.

I found that for non-fiction all the agents and pub houses I pitched to didn't want anything but the query at first. After that, they'd ask for the proposal package. Some just wanted a couple of sample chapterts in there, but one asked for the first 50 pages inside the proposal.
 

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It's not all that difficult.

Start when you have 3 things complete to perfection:
1. A wonderful query letter.
2. A complete proposal that includes everything a proposal should contain.
3. At least about one-half of the finished manuscript.

Read the guidelines for publisher or agent and send them only what they ask for.
 

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I am not a prolific non-fiction writer, currently I have sent out only two proposals, one at a time. One yes (published) and one maybe (under revision).
 

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Oh, this was the thread I needed to read today...

Thanks Scope for that very complete easy to understand explanation. I keep going back and forth: query letter to non-fiction proposal. I am going to finish my proposal before I do another thing. My manuscript is 90% finished at this point and easy to pick up and finish.

This is such a nice place, a gentle butt kicking when needed!
 
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