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Whenever someone uses the word "suddenly", I immediately think of someone slamming against a wall or a child going crazy and running around the room.
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Which of them was the machine?
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I try to fix where I write "certain" adverbs/verbs too much; let's leave it at that.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Oh yes, the justs. Oi. I battled with them in my last WIP. What the H was I thinking??
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Teh doommobile, drivin' rite by you
Join Date: Jan 2007
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As a writer, however, I use suddenly upon occasion without conscious thought or remorse. "Suddenly, she was on her ass at the foot of the steps" works better for my particular narrative style than "She tripped and fell". There's nothing technically wrong with either sentence if they are true to the narrative style of the story. So, sure--any writer may make the conscious decision to avoid using suddenly in their work, but in the grand scheme of things it's not going to actively prevent a book from being signed. As long as the use of the adverb is appropriate and works within the narrative style of the story, "suddenly" is fine by me. But usually, if an author is overusing "suddenly" there are other problems with the manuscript that are more serious--telling instead of showing, for example. So it's my thought that "suddenly" is a symptom more than the disease. *pulls Neuro's manuscript from Delphi to run a search for uses of 'suddenly'* Hmm...this could be interesting...
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Join Date: Sep 2010
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Suddenly I wondered if I use the word 'suddenly' too often...
Then, just as suddenly, I didn't care. If the word fits, if it's the right word, use it. |
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Teh doommobile, drivin' rite by you
Join Date: Jan 2007
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I actually use that a lot. It's a huge help to see what words--aside from character names and common tags--I overuse. It's quicker than doing multiple searches, and gives you a quick, solid indication of what you need to work on.
ETA: Just did this for my WIP, now in revisions at 114k. Just wanted to say--no suddenlys in MY cloud.
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The grad students did it
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One "suddenly" in 3.99 but used in internal dialogue of the MC:
I'm suddenly slobber hungry. So it's not used in the way that bothers me so (dialogue, both internal and external, is a very different situation). And in the context of this scene, it works well. In fact, this sentence without "suddenly" would not be effective at all. I remain unshaken in my original comments as long as everyone realizes that (as indicated in the my first post) this is how I feel about using "suddenly." Y'all can find your own comfort with the word. I can't seem to find my copy of Self-Editing for Fiction Writers (one of the few writing books I still like to consult regularly). I believe it is from this book that I first formed my dislike for "suddenly" as a way of telling how an action is taking place. Others can check to see what that source says abut it. I have to track down my copy (probably loaned it to someone without writing down the borrower's name).
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Jul 2011
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I don't overuse 'suddenly,' but in my next story, I seemed to use 'and then' and 'but' to start sentences, which is even worse. Working through them during my next round with my line editor. Oy.
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Laughing every time I choke.
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Never, ever, not once should any writer use "suddenly" in the narrative. The "suddenly, comma" construct zaps the suddenness right out of the suddenness. IMO Ah, bullshit. It's not an opinion; it's a fact.
That said, I have three "suddenlys" in my ms, all in dialogue. Employed as follows: "I didn’t even want those things three days ago, but suddenly they were all I wanted.” Lyx |
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I use suddenly every now and then, but most of the time, I try not to start a sentence with it. I feel that makes something seem less sudden. On a related note, what do people think of the word sudden with no adverbial ending?
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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I read the title of this thread and then, suddenly, at that moment, in one fell swoop, I quickly instantly immediately just very simply really realized that I do use the word quite often.
Looking back through my WIP, it's unneeded most of the time I use it, but I think still has its place sometimes. "He suddenly woke up, his head throbbing." Doesn't really add much. "The ship suddenly jolted." As opposed to an un-sudden jolt? "He scratched his head as if he suddenly had fleas." I think it helps get across the notion that he scratches his head, well, suddenly; it's not just a casual scratch. "Suddenly the thought of having a brother he’d never met was painful." I'm not sure. Maybe it shouldn't be the first word, but I think there is a definite difference between a sudden thought or emotion and an ordinary thought or emotion.
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Wait, didn't I kill that character?
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![]() I think it's important to note often how words are used in dialogue vs. in the narrative. Some characters have a particular way of speaking and do repeat the same word a lot.
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Derailed
Join Date: May 2010
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I was browsing the web. Suddenly, I wanted to visit AW. When I saw Lyxdeslic's avatar, I suddenly wanted to linger.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Nice discussion, guys! I would answer you all, but sadly I have work now haha
I hope this helps other writers!
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be as tough as you want
Join Date: Aug 2010
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a isolated line can work wonders
Sometimes we use "suddenly" to highlight something. Which can also be done by starting a new paragraph and removing "suddenly". Make it one line and it stands out. Not that you want to overuse that either.
Funny. What doesn't happen suddenly? For there's always a time when something isn't happening, then it does. What we mean many times is that it surprised a character. The sudden slam of the door. Slam and sudden are redundant, but what we want to convey is that the POV was surprised. So, maybe "the slam of the door made her jump." Perhaps not the best, but very clear. Also, it could mean abruptly. With no warning. "With no warning a fist hit his jaw." An even worse sentence but . . . So say what you mean. Suddendly is very often used for the wrong reasons, leading the reader to guess. That's it's greatest flaw. |
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Writing and learning
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I refuse to use any words that end in _______ly and found another way around it.
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Derailed
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Jun 2011
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As I read through the thread, I suddenly realized that
Okay I'm not going to go there. Too lame, even for me. Anyway, I'm having a really hard time with "suddenly" in this WIP because my MC "suddenly" disappears into thin air a lot. And when I'm writing from MC2's POV and let's say they're about to kiss or something, I always write things like "suddenly he wasn't there" "suddenly he was gone again" and sladhfkawhjeroqiwdhe I NEED TO STOP DOING THAT! So yeah, that's me
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Let's see what's on special today..
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George leaned closer, lips puckered. Her perfume... Any second now. What the...? For Christ sake! She'd done it again. He threw the pillow at the mirror. "Will you stop doing that!"
JAS- If the reader knows she vanishes at will and it is instantaneous there's no need to say suddenly at all because there's no other way to instantly vanish.
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the Juggernaut of Imperfection
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Surely the most inappropriate use of the word 'suddenly':
![]() I was walking down the street minding my own business when SUDDENLY! PASTA SALAD! |
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