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Old 11-10-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
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Nightfall Magazine - CLOSED MARKET

3c/word for original work and 1c/word for reprints. Payment for interviews, reviews and columns as described on our Guidelines page: http://www.whitecatpublications.com/?page_id=3240.

Nightfall Magazine is a White Cat publication. We are dedicated to bringing our readers the very best in dark fiction entertainment. Guidelines are now up and submissions are open! Our first issue will come out in March of 2013. Right now, we're looking at a word limit of 5k.

No everyday dread beasties or bogies, please - we're looking for inventive horror with well-defined characters. Stories that move at a fast, creepy clip are best. Questions may be directed to the editor: dora@whitecatpublications.com.

The best way to stay in the loop will be to like our Facebook page...and, of course, we're looking for readers, too! Best of luck to everyone.

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Old 11-10-2012, 10:08 PM   #2
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Can you define "dark fiction entertainment" before the guidelines are in place? The term seems vague enough that I have no idea if I have something suitable or not.

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Old 11-11-2012, 12:34 AM   #3
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On the website under the guidelines for White Cat Magazine, it says you pay 5 cents a word "up to 2500 words," but you also accept stories up to 5000 words. What does that mean? Assuming you have the same restrictions for Nightfall, would that mean the payment caps out at 2500 words? Or does that restriction not apply to Nightfall?
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:42 AM   #4
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Rhoda, your mind-reading skills are exceptional today. I, too, hit the White Cat site, read that, and went, "Huh?" Okay, a nickel a word up to 2500, but then what? A different pay rate per word? Nothing? For what could be half a story, that's a big gap in information.

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I think it's a typo; Conjurings is part of White Cat as well, and I was told to that the paywall is 5,000 words, not 2,500 words.

I'll poke Charles about this, and get an official word.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:43 PM   #6
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Err, so are there two different pay rates? Because on the Nightfall page, it says:
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But as others said, if you go to White Cat's general submission page, it's 5 cents/word up to 2.5K. Which is conflicting, because why should I send a 1-2K story to Nightfall, Conjurings, etc. when I could send it to White Cat and get more money.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:01 AM   #7
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Err, so are there two different pay rates? Because on the Nightfall page, it says:
But as others said, if you go to White Cat's general submission page, it's 5 cents/word up to 2.5K. Which is conflicting, because why should I send a 1-2K story to Nightfall, Conjurings, etc. when I could send it to White Cat and get more money.
I'm not ignoring this; I'm just trying to get the details straight with my boss before I say anything about any of the magazines.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:48 AM   #8
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^And we appreciate it! It looks like a cool publication; thanks for looking into the grisly details.
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I've been reading stories from White Cat for about a year, and I'm really excited to see them turn the zine into imprints. I think good things are on the horizon for the company--and well deserved.

So, anyway, I'm excited to read more!
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:21 AM   #10
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Hey everyone,

The EIC just told me that he's revised the various guidelines in question for clarity. White Cat magazine wants shorter stories, but pays 5c per word for them. The magazines under the White Cat umbrella will accept larger stories, but at a smaller rate.

I'm fairly new to the company, but I'll be happy to try to field questions where I can!
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Hello all, I apologize for dropping the ball on this thread. Huge thanks to Bartholomew & Chuck for clarifying the pay rates!

As far as "dark fiction entertainment" goes: Nightfall accepts fairly straightforward horror with or without a supernatural element. White Cat Magazine, as noted, takes a broader range of stories. Their other imprints accept paranormal romance (Insatiable), more-or-less standard fantasy (Conjurings) and sci-fi (Blue Shift), mystery (Dark Intent) and urban tales & poetry (Nain Rouge). Each of the editors has a different vision for each 'zine -- for example, I may prefer cross-genre or slipstream pieces more than some of the other editors, and other editors may favor certain themes that I wouldn't care for at all -- so it's important to submit to the publication which is the best fit for your story.

The guidelines on our submissions pages are deliberately vague, as we each work to refine our individual 'zines. If you have a story that could fit into more than one of White Cat's magazines, please visit our respective Facebook pages to get a feel for each editor's favorite themes or pet peeves before submitting.

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...aaanndd hello again. I just realized that I hadn't posted our Guidelines or Facebook links. Nightfall's Guidelines page can be found here: http://www.whitecatpublications.com/?page_id=3240 and our Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/NightfallMagazine - best of luck to everyone!
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The EIC just told me that he's revised the various guidelines in question for clarity. White Cat magazine wants shorter stories, but pays 5c per word for them. The magazines under the White Cat umbrella will accept larger stories, but at a smaller rate.

I'm fairly new to the company, but I'll be happy to try to field questions where I can!
Thanks Bart for clarifying that.

I have another question (I know, I'm just full of questions), but if we submit to the main White Cat zine and it's rejected, can we then send it to one of the other zines you guys run?

Oh also, how long are you buying rights for? 6 months? A year?

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...aaanndd hello again. I just realized that I hadn't posted our Guidelines or Facebook links. Nightfall's Guidelines page can be found here: http://www.whitecatpublications.com/?page_id=3240 and our Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/NightfallMagazine - best of luck to everyone!
Hmm, seems we're both interested in eyeballs. Might have a story for you after all.
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if we submit to the main White Cat zine and it's rejected, can we then send it to one of the other zines you guys run?
Shouldn't be a problem. :-)


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I'm about to head off to a wedding; I'll check when my day is over.
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Sorry for the delay in response, all!

We request one-time rights in digital, print, and (possibly) audio formats; they revert to you three months after publication.
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Heads up, everyone! Nightfall is still open for submissions. We'll be closing the door soon, though.

"Dark fiction" for our purposes is non-traditional horror fiction, darker slipstream, and fantasy of the non-sanitized Grimm variety rather than the Twilight sort of thing. Details are in the Notes section of our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NightfallMagazine/notes

Like Bartholomew, I won't go crazy if there are some formatting mistakes but it is important to follow the bulk of our guidelines. Stories submitted in standard manuscript format are likely to be bumped to the bottom of the queue, since if we do accept them they'll mean more work for me or the other Nightfall staffers to sort out. In the worst-case scenario, those stories won't even be read.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just want to be honest with everyone. If I've been reading for five or six hours straight and the last eight authors I've encountered have completely ignored our guidelines, author #9 is probably going to get the shaft (and authors 5-8 likely received progressively less friendly attention). #9 might have had something I'd really like, too.

On a happier note, the stories we've purchased so far are of a very high quality -- and this is coming from someone whose highest compliment is usually "well, that didn't suck". If you want a chance at being part of a stellar line-up, send us something soon!

Our Facebook page always has the latest information. When submissions are closed, you'll see it there first.
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It might be helpful to post a non-Facebook link as well. Never mind, I scrolled up and found it.
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I thought I was one of the guilty parties, then I read your guidelines again and whew...looks like I did it right.
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Question about reprints. I self-pubbed a collection of short stories; would then submitting one of them to you count as a reprint, or is it just a no-no all around? I still have the rights, obviously, but I've had a couple of people buy the book.
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I'm in acquisitions at Nightfall's sister magazine, Conjurings. Her policies might be different from mine, but I would qualify that as a reprint, unless you had exceptionally low circulation.

It's crunch time for us, but I'm sure she'll be along with an official answer before too long.

In general, submit first and apologize later. We'd all prefer to be looking down the barrel of a good story than trying to make an abstract decision about a constantly-changing industry.

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