A "conspiracy theory" lead worth investigating

blacbird · Jul 27, 2014

Utah attorney investigating the jail-cell death of his brother, shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing, brings some intriguing ideas to the table:

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/man-seeks-video-of-1995-oklahoma-city-bombing

Timothy McVeigh was executed, almost by demand, thirteen years ago. His cohort Terry Nichols is rotting in a Fed supermax for the rest of his life, and damn lucky to have that much of a life. Two other people, the Fortier couple, got off even luckier, and probably are out in the free air by now (I don't know).

So we know there was some level of "conspiracy" involved in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in 1995. How deep and how far that went has always been a matter of speculation. No one else was ever implicated, and McVeigh ultimately boasted of his sole proprietorship over the bombing, but . . . . there has always been this troubliing eyewitness account of a second man with McVeigh when he parked that damn bomb truck.

So why are the Fed authorities so hesitant to release (or even find potentially relevant security videos?

McVeigh had all manner of interesting connections with some pretty shady groups of people before he committed the bombing.

This at least bears attention being paid to it. If it turns out to be nothing, so be it. But . . .

caw

Don · Jul 28, 2014

Human Rights Watch may have a clue as to why FedGov hesitates to dig too deeply under public scrutiny.

Of course, this report only deals with that period since 9/11/01, but I'm guessing this shit didn't start the day after the towers fell.

Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots

Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or informants, a new report says.

Some of the controversial "sting" operations "were proposed or led by informants", bordering on entrapment by law enforcement. Yet the courtroom obstacles to proving entrapment are significant, one of the reasons the stings persist.

The lengthy report, released on Monday by Human Rights Watch, raises questions about the US criminal justice system's ability to respect civil rights and due process in post-9/11 terrorism cases. It portrays a system that features not just the sting operations but secret evidence, anonymous juries, extensive pretrial detentions and convictions significantly removed from actual plots.

I'd bet the farm that FedGov has a strong material interest in never identifying that second dude.

Larry M · Jul 28, 2014

blacbird said:
… So why are the Fed authorities so hesitant to release (or even find potentially relevant security videos?

McVeigh had all manner of interesting connections with some pretty shady groups of people before he committed the bombing.

This at least bears attention being paid to it. If it turns out to be nothing, so be it. But . . .

caw

IMO, the Feds wanted McVeigh to be 'their guy'. They wanted this case solved and finished, and they made it so.

IMO, that is.

Diana Hignutt · Jul 28, 2014

If you look into it, you'd be surprised how many second suspects were reported early in MSM reports in such events...only to have the case funnel down to the "lone gunman"...

ETA: Of course, such things are also probably simply factors of incomplete reporting early on, but second shooters were reported at both the Aurora theater shooting and the Sandy Hook shooting, but both reports were adjusted later, one assumes to reflect accuracy....

blacbird · Jul 28, 2014

Larry M said:
IMO, the Feds wanted McVeigh to be 'their guy'. They wanted this case solved and finished, and they made it so.

IMO, that is.

Well, as I mentioned, they also got Nichols, who plead out fast to avoid a death penalty trial, and the Fortier couple, who helped McVeigh learn how to build and detonate a big fertilizer bomb, likewise copped to lesser charges. Their involvement might well have been much deeper; we'll probably never know.

But, this story just needs followed up. McVeigh was certainly associated with some shady people along the way.

caw

Diana Hignutt · Jul 28, 2014

blacbird said:
Well, as I mentioned, they also got Nichols, who plead out fast to avoid a death penalty trial, and the Fortier couple, who helped McVeigh learn how to build and detonate a big fertilizer bomb, likewise copped to lesser charges. Their involvement might well have been much deeper; we'll probably never know.

But, this story just needs followed up. McVeigh was certainly associated with some shady people along the way.

caw

Careful, once people see you questioning the official story, your reputation might take a hit, it's hard to get that CT poo off of the shoe, trust me...

robjvargas · Jul 28, 2014

blacbird said:
So why are the Fed authorities so hesitant to release (or even find potentially relevant security videos?

McVeigh had all manner of interesting connections with some pretty shady groups of people before he committed the bombing.

This at least bears attention being paid to it. If it turns out to be nothing, so be it. But . . .

caw

Some classified documents remain classified long after the case (so to speak) is closed, because the avenues of intelligence, or the sources, still have value, or could be subjected to retribution.

I wonder if something like that isn't at play here. An undercover operative, intelligence asset, or snitch, who is still involved and/or maybe still relevant in some way.

A "conspiracy theory" lead worth investigating

blacbird

Don

All Living is Local

Larry M

Diana Hignutt

Very Tired

blacbird

Diana Hignutt

Very Tired

robjvargas