If Hitler didn't exist, would the Holocaust have happened? [Moved from Story Experts]

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Well, Churchill gave half of Europe to the communists,

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Churchill didn't "give" the Russians anything. The war ended with them having military occupation of what had been the entire Eastern Front. Where exactly do you get the idea that Churchill (or Roosevelt, for that matter) "gave" them anything?
 

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Alternative Nazi Confederate Aliens? The Same Nazi Confederate Aliens? All New Nazi Confederate Aliens? That's Harry Turtledove, right?

I give up.

No, no, Turtledove did WWII with magic, WWII against the confederates, WWII against aliens, and The Civil War with Magic.
 

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Churchill didn't "give" the Russians anything. The war ended with them having military occupation of what had been the entire Eastern Front. Where exactly do you get the idea that Churchill (or Roosevelt, for that matter) "gave" them anything?
Well, there's the Potsdam Conference.
 

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WWII would definitely still have happened, Germany's economic situation couldn't have held out much longer. There was a lot of resentment bubbling under the surface over the Treaty of Versailles.
 

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Churchill and FDR didn't "give" Stalin Eastern Europe because neither of them had it. Hitler did. Stalin took it from him by force. What Churchill and FDR did was recognize that was going to happen and there was nothing they could do to stop it short of starting WWIII.

Yeah, lots of non-Jews died in the Holocaust. Maybe as many or slightly more. Maybe. But over twice as many? I want to see evidence of that, because those numbers are bigger than all of Soviet casualties in the entire conflict--and that includes the invasions of Poland and Finland.
 

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WWII would definitely still have happened, Germany's economic situation couldn't have held out much longer. There was a lot of resentment bubbling under the surface over the Treaty of Versailles.

Germany would have been much better off to have let its money devalue in the early 1930s. This would have let them trade and upgrade their industrial and agricultural base.

Instead, they chose deflation and defaulting on their loans and going to war with a crippled economy.

See Adam Tooze: the Wages of Destruction:

http://www.hbs.edu/bhr/archives/bookreviews/82/rtilly.pdf
 

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How come you are writing a story about Hitler if you have very limited knowledge of WWII?

That`s a good question. It would be the same, if I would write a story about atom physics - and I don`t know anything about atom physics...
 

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Hitler is not the only person who has killed millions of people. Mao and Stalin are a couple of others. Nor is ethnic cleansing something Hitler invented. It has been going on for thousands of years and still continues.

Would the Holocaust have happened had Hitler not been born? Probably not. Would some other incident targeting an ethnic minority in Europe have happened instead? Most likely.
 
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