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the philosophical pegasus
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Semicolons, the scariest punctuation on Earth.
This might be the best thing I've ever seen for teaching how to use the semicolon. It uses humor and doesn't come off like you're reading a stiff encyclopedia article.
Figured that it might help the newbies and some of the vets that have an issue with it.
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Order of the Dragon
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I love The Oatmeal.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Oct 2008
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That is really a fun page. I'm going to show it to my students. I don't quite understand the connection between the labels, images and the single sentence under 'Pause'. Next to 'semicolon' it has a sentence with a comma in it.
Looking forward to exploring the rest of the site. Thanks!
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Oatmeal's examples for semicolon uses are terrific; not so much its early grade school analogies linking some punctuation to magical pauses for breath.
Emory University Writing Center is typical in de-mythifying one of the many punctuation misconceptions Oatmeal perpetuates with commas, semicolons, and colons: Myth: You should add a comma wherever you pause. Fact: Where you pause or breathe in a sentence does not reliably indicate where a comma belongs. Different readers pause or breathe in different places. The myth-buster holds true for semicolons. Like commas, they are only indicators of internal sentence structure for easier reading. As the old fiction disclaimer goes, any similarity to breathing in placing commas or semicolons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. |
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The ever absent-minded
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"It's late. We should go home," and "It's late; we should go home," are both grammatically correct, but have a different flavor. The latter one emphasizes the connection between the two clauses: "it's late", therefore, "we should go home." Semicolons are not strictly necessary in prose. You'd be better off doing away with them than using them where it doesn't feel natural, IMO.
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No disagreement, CC.
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Let me tell you a Story...
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I worry about semicolons because I feel I'd rather use a comma. But I'm not sure if my sentence is correct that way.
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Glorious chicken of York
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I've added the Oatmeal page to the list of useful grammar references on the web. Thanks, Shadow Dragon! (Also, apologies for being so damn slow to get to it.)
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An extract from Bigglethwaite & Windemere's Manual of Proper and Exquisite English, regarding the Capitalisation of Heaveny Bodies: 1. Writers of steampunk novels, and of those set in alternate universes that branched from ours in the past, should always capitalise Sun, Moon, and Earth. 2. Writers whose works are influenced by early Robert A. Heinlein novels should capitalise Earth, but not sun. Sol may be used in dialogue, but must be capitalised and used in an offhand fashion. Moon should not be used at all in prose; the correct term in this body of literature is Luna. 3. Writers whose stories involve the Singlularity, nonhuman characters, or any political alliance extending across more than one solar system should not capitalise sun or moon. Earth should be replaced by Terra throughout. Those writing in the present day should determine what kind of future they expect and adjust their capitalisation accordingly. -- B&W 2:12 |
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That hairy-handed gent
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Again I recommend the Purdue OWL: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/566/01/ caw
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The myth of breaths to indicate comma placement advanced by Oatmeal's cartoons is almost as harmful as the old first-aid myths to cut open rattlesnake bites and suck out the poison or to slather butter on burns. |
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figuring it all out
Join Date: Jan 2013
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I have this weird relationship with semicolons, in which I love-love-love them in my informal writing - forum posts, emails, and whatnot - but virtually never use them in my fiction.
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That hairy-handed gent
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On semicolons (from a teacher of university English composition classes):
1. They are used, properly, to separate two units of prose that could stand alone as independent sentences, but are closely-enough related to be connected within a single-sentence structure. 2. They are not strictly necessary. You can separate the two independent portions with a period, and let them stand as single sentences. 3. A comma is NOT a proper or acceptable substitute for a semicolon, and vice-versa. 4. If you are uncomfortable with, or uncertain about the proper use of a semicolon, don't use one. Just make independent stand-alone sentences. 5. Don't overuse the semicolon. It is the habañero pepper of punctuation marks to many people (including editors, whom I will bunch with the larger category of people for the purpose of this comment). Too many will definitely make the dish unpalatable. caw
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Conscious Competent.
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: I live a relatively rustic lifestyle in northern BC, Canada. Good fishing, good hunting.
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The Bible when written had no capitalization, no periods, no commas, no punctuation of any kind. Think its hard to understand now?
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New Fish; Exploring the Written Sea
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"Stroke them... DO IT!"
LOL Thank you for the share; it was a good read!
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Glorious chicken of York
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But in both cases, unpunctuated text was standard. Readers didn't really expect punctuation, and were perfectly comfortable interpreting texts that omitted it. That's not the same as leaving out the punctuation in modern English, where readers do expect and rely on it. An analogy: Aristophanes of Byzantium invented a set of diacritics (accents and breath marks) to help non-native speakers read Greek texts. The accents marked where a speaker would use a rising or falling tone when pronouncing a word. A rough equivalent in English would be if it became the practice to mark word stress and dieresis* in written text. We don't do that. If someone introduced it in the future, só thát áll óur próse inclúded diäcrítics, wóuld thát méan thát éarliër, unmárked téxt wás "hárd tó understánd"? Also, we are breezing right by any discussion of the content of the Bible in this room. There are other rooms on AW for that. ---- * Note that in Dutch, dieresys is marked using a "trema": Daniel is spelled Daniël, because ie is a very different sound in Dutch than i+e. Indeed, English used to mark it as well: coöperative only lost its diacritic very recently.
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An extract from Bigglethwaite & Windemere's Manual of Proper and Exquisite English, regarding the Capitalisation of Heaveny Bodies: 1. Writers of steampunk novels, and of those set in alternate universes that branched from ours in the past, should always capitalise Sun, Moon, and Earth. 2. Writers whose works are influenced by early Robert A. Heinlein novels should capitalise Earth, but not sun. Sol may be used in dialogue, but must be capitalised and used in an offhand fashion. Moon should not be used at all in prose; the correct term in this body of literature is Luna. 3. Writers whose stories involve the Singlularity, nonhuman characters, or any political alliance extending across more than one solar system should not capitalise sun or moon. Earth should be replaced by Terra throughout. Those writing in the present day should determine what kind of future they expect and adjust their capitalisation accordingly. -- B&W 2:12 Last edited by evilrooster; 01-30-2013 at 03:45 PM. Reason: pút óne diäcrític márk ón thé wróng sýllable |
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