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Is Erotica your main genera?

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Start date Feb 9, 2015

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All valid reasons, Unimportant.

The best lesson I've taken away from this forum over the years is 'write your passion'. That makes the hard work seem a bit less, or at least worth it. But that's true of any genre.

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Unimportant said:
I don't because:
a) I like creating characters from scratch
b) There isn't any fic/show I'm a fan of, so I wouldn't know anyone else's characters orworld well enough to write fanfic
c) I like to have the option to sell a piece if it turns out well

I agree. I don't for those same reasons, but there is value in it for some. There are some good sites that have readers that just aren't "Yay! You're amazing!" I've seen where they give actual feedback like poor grammar, not enough emotion, no character connection, ect. It's just an option while a writer works out how to write a book without charging to learn those lessons.

I'm a fan of reading what you want to write.

I'm an even bigger fan of writing what you love.

Sometimes what we write isn't popular, but it only takes one book to create a trend.

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Fruitbat said:
I'd guess there is plenty of "erotica" that's more "written porn" than "literary,"

I've been accused of writing 'literary erotica' and even 'literary femdom'--by my editor. I don't what to make of that. Is it good or bad?

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KimJo said:
Anyone who writes *anything* to "make a quick buck while I figure out what to do with my 'real' stuff" is doing a disservice to the genre, the readers, and likely themselves. If you're writing something that you don't consider your main genre because you want to hone your skills, or because it's fun, or something like that, fine... but if it's because you figure it's quick and easy and you'll make some cash at it, while you're looking down on it as something you'll want to forget about as soon as you "really make it", then it might be something to reconsider.

I've read lots of horrible sounds-like-quick-buck fiction which actually seemed to revive the genre and opened the gates for better writers. Would True Blood or the books thereof, have been half as successful hadn't people been pre-heated to vampires, werewolves, and humans having threesomes/triangles by Twilight? I've tossed the 2nd installment 20 pages into the book as I boarded the plane but I wasn't turned off by the genre - on the contrary, I wanted more of it, only better.

And even if not... I get your point, and on one hand I agree. On the other hand, you can't really tell people not to use whatever legal means they have to make money. Everybody wants money, the more the better. Hell, I'd kill a genre entirely if it meant that I'd no longer have to check ticket vending machines for forgotten change and collect peoples' thrown-away deposit bottles with their herpes on them. I'd totally write the worst thing ever, sell it, buy me that island, and send a booyah-selfie to the people attending the genre's funeral.

Lots of people here write for money. If you can respect idealism and ethics while doing so, great. But if an opportunity arises to throw something cheap and shabby out there and make money off it, uh...

And just because it's written to make a quick buck, even not the author's main genre... Doesn't mean it has to be bad, so how is it automatically a disservice? You can land a one-hit wonder doing something you're not specializing in for the sake of a quick buck or easy praise. It can still turn out awesome. I've participated in competitions for short stories and written stuff I never expected to be good at, but won.
I'm also thinking of that art class home assignment I did once. Got it all wrong, wanted to get it over with, made something absolutely weird and sloppy and off-topic... and was elevated to that poor kid everyone was told to take an example from.
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NaeimGiladisLegacy said:
I've read lots of horrible sounds-like-quick-buck fiction which actually seemed to revive the genre and opened the gates for better writers. Would True Blood or the books thereof, have been half as successful hadn't people been pre-heated to vampires, werewolves, and humans having threesomes/triangles by Twilight? I've tossed the 2nd installment 20 pages into the book as I boarded the plane but I wasn't turned off by the genre - on the contrary, I wanted more of it, only better.

True Blood and Anita Blake both predate Twighlight by years, just so you know. Only place it was new was in YA and even then, it wasn't completely new.

As for what KimJo said, I have to agree about it being a diservice. When someone is looking to make a quick buck, they most likely don't give a rat's ass about quality.

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Lillith1991 said:
True Blood and Anita Blake both predate Twighlight by years, just so you know. Only place it was new was in YA and even then, it wasn't completely new.

As for what KimJo said, I have to agree about it being a diservice. When someone is looking to make a quick buck, they most likely don't give a rat's ass about quality.

I see, didn't know that. I still think the boost came with the fame of Twilight.

I don't think all people looking for quick money, discard quality. Lots of people, especially those in the field of art, crafts, and the like, still take pride in their work no matter how greedy. I often offer cheap art commissions to make a quick buck, but I never do less than my best within the reasonable limitations of the price.

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NaeimGiladisLegacy said:
I see, didn't know that. I still think the boost came with the fame of Twilight.

I don't think all people looking for quick money, discard quality. Lots of people, especially those in the field of art, crafts, and the like, still take pride in their work no matter how greedy. I often offer cheap art commissions to make a quick buck, but I never do less than my best within the reasonable limitations of the price.

Sure, not all do. But a lot people looking to make a quick buck on writing are not that interested in quality. We can't assume everyone is up to the same standards as us, because that is silly. Some will be and others won't be, that's just life.

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#33

... no. But it is a backdrop genre for me. Serves well in that regard: spicing stories up

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I don't see a boost per se. Because while demand may be a wee bit up, supply is immensely up. Short form ebook erotica is a mosh pit right now.

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I started putting out short erotica stories when I found that I had a lot of deleted scenes from my mainstream romance novels lazing around on my laptop. My beta readers said they enjoyed these 5-12K offshoots--my M/Fs tend to go off and have affairs with other characters while they wait for me to write their HEA; it's the mojo of their jojo--so I polished, worked a storyline into these offshoots and I am slowly selling them to erotica publishers and publishing with author co-op, eXcessica, under a different pen name. So far my sales are terrible, BTW. My first one came out a few weeks ago and was 'adult' filtered on Amazon, and when it was republished I lost the ranking and that 'customers who viewed' carousel. Since then...I think I've sold 4 or 5. Dire.

But that's okay. I write erotica shorts (I have yet to achieve the writing ability to complete a novel length erotica or erotic romance) because since reading Anne Rice's twisted fairtales in the 90s, I've enjoyed reading it! It's simple: I write the stuff I like to read. No point in doing it otherwise, not for me anyway. Erotica is fun, irreverent and pure escapism from my other genres' proscriptive expectations. My main genres are sexy contemporary romance and science fiction.

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KimJo,
I would like to answer your question to CharlieBeck"If you feel that way about writing erotica, why do it?" Actually, I have interesting answer for that question. Sometimes, it depends on the person as well as the audience. For example, tons of sex workers (phone sex operators, escorts, dominatrixes, sugar babies and webcam models) write erotica based on their personas or characters due to audience demands. Often, these stories are not quality but serve to help market that sex worker's character/persona. However, some sex workers take their literary career quite seriously. Most do not care about their literary careers as long as that brings in more clients. Do non-serious sex workers posing as writers hurt serious erotica writers because their made for a quick buck? No, due to the fact that most sex workers have an build-in audience looking for cheap erotica material or written porn. Now, if you are talking about bad writers nor hacks trying to make a quick buck...then it is true. However, I want to let you know that there sex workers writing awful erotica material due to professional, audience and industry demands. Or there are writers like Charlie who just writes erotica until a literary horror career takes off. Personally, I believe that erotica/erotic romance is a large enough genre to write in without worrying about others quality nor standards. As long as you write from your heart, your audience will love and be drawn to your work.

KimJo said:
This is just my personal opinion, and hopefully I'm not crossing any RYFW lines... This is not aimed specifically at Charlee or at anyone else, but just some generalized thoughts on the matter.

Anyone who writes *anything* to "make a quick buck while I figure out what to do with my 'real' stuff" is doing a disservice to the genre, the readers, and likely themselves. If you're writing something that you don't consider your main genre because you want to hone your skills, or because it's fun, or something like that, fine... but if it's because you figure it's quick and easy and you'll make some cash at it, while you're looking down on it as something you'll want to forget about as soon as you "really make it", then it might be something to reconsider.

And, as Veinglory said, writing ANYTHING because you figure it's quick and easy and you might bring in a few bucks is somewhat disrespectful to the people who work their butts off to write that genre/category WELL, who consider it their main genre, and who are being tarred with the same brush as those who put out substandard product because they're only writing it until their "real" writing takes off.

If that sounds ranty, I'm sorry, but I've had far too many people insult my erotic romance AND my young adult fiction by saying "anyone can write it" or demanding to know why I'm not rich because "it's so easy anyone can do it, so you must be doing it wrong."

I write erotic romance under one pen name. I write young adult fiction under the other. I also have a couple of erotica shorts out under a top-secret name... those have sold zero copies at all, but I was trying them as a fun thing, not because I thought they'd be easy and rake in the dough. (I think I've also gotten trapped in the Amazon adult Bermuda Triangle...)

And Charlee... to me, your reference to "feeling like a struggling actress posing for a girly magazine" implies that you're ashamed of writing erotica. I may be reading too much into your statement, but if you feel that way about writing erotica, why do it?

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M.N Thorne said:
KimJo,
I would like to answer your question to CharlieBeck"If you feel that way about writing erotica, why do it?" Actually, I have interesting answer for that question. Sometimes, it depends on the person as well as the audience. For example, tons of sex workers (phone sex operators, escorts, dominatrixes, sugar babies and webcam models) write erotica based on their personas or characters due to audience demands. Often, these stories are not quality but serve to help market that sex worker's character/persona. However, some sex workers take their literary career quite seriously. Most do not care about their literary careers as long as that brings in more clients. Do non-serious sex workers posing as writers hurt serious erotica writers because their made for a quick buck? No, due to the fact that most sex workers have an build-in audience looking for cheap erotica material or written porn. Now, if you are talking about bad writers nor hacks trying to make a quick buck...then it is true. However, I want to let you know that there sex workers writing awful erotica material due to professional, audience and industry demands. Or there are writers like Charlie who just writes erotica until a literary horror career takes off. Personally, I believe that erotica/erotic romance is a large enough genre to write in without worrying about others quality nor standards. As long as you write from your heart, your audience will love and be drawn to your work.

I'd hazard a guess that hackles were raised, not because of the "quick-buck" implication, but because Charlee's "busing tables" and "stripper" comments read more like "I feel like a slut writing erotica. Do you?"

As someone else mentioned, if a similar comment were made in one of the other genre forums, people would naturally be upset. I've been in groups before where anything considered "genre fiction" was belittled. Even here on AW I've seen plenty of folks opining about "Vampires are so overdone", "Epic fantasy is dead", "If I see another dystopian novel I'll shoot myself", etc etc etc.

It's not so much the idea that some folks are in this to make a quick buck (no matter how absurd that idea really is) that is upsetting. It's the implication that this is a throwaway genre that no one really takes seriously.

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DancingMaenid said:
It's not that I feel like erotica is "lesser" writing, but I wonder sometimes about how much audiences read erotica for the characters, and how easy it is to find an audience for more "literary" erotica. That's really my only reservation about branding some of my work as erotica.

This is part of why I gave up on my erotic novel. I decided the audience for "absurdist literary dark erotic comedy" probably wasn't very big, and as a new author it would probably be better to start off in a more marketable combination of genres.

Well, also, the plot kind of fell apart, but for reasons completely unrelated to the erotic content.

I do plan to go back to it someday, after I'm published, if I can ever figure out why my main characters are trying to smuggle drugs from Mexico, and why my heroine decided to hold up that Starbucks when it really wasn't necessary for her plans.

Actually, the sex scenes are probably the only parts that really made any sense.

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My statement that I feel like it's a disservice doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the quality of what's written. I think that degrading any genre by considering it "quick and easy", or writing something you're ashamed of writing, could be a disservice, and I did say ANY genre, not exclusively erotica. (Some of the comments I've seen about erotica being a quick and easy thing to write, or not requiring as much skill as other genres, I've also seen applied to young adult fiction.)

If you're writing something you're excruciatingly uncomfortable with, feel guilty about, or are ashamed of, you are doing yourself a disservice because you aren't applying your talents to something you can be proud of and are comfortable writing.

If you're writing shoddy content because you want to put out a bunch of stories quickly to earn money, you're doing your readers a disservice by giving them poor-quality stories to read. And if you're ashamed of what you write, what are you thinking about the readers who buy it?

If you consider a genre something to be ashamed of, you're doing the genre as a whole a disservice by considering it shameful. If you consider it a good way to make a quick and easy buck because writing it doesn't require skills, you're doing it a disservice by considering that genre not as worthwhile as others.

And Naeim... Nowhere did I say "You shouldn't make money this way." I said if the ONLY reason you're writing it is because you think it's a quick and easy way to make a buck, you might want to *reconsider*. And that was said in the bit of my post that you quoted. That doesn't say "don't make money the way you want to." It says "Think about the way you're choosing to make money if this is how you feel about the genre."

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Aggy B,

Actually, I would like to address your statement"It's not so much the idea that some folks are in this to make a quick buck (no matter how absurd that idea really is)" How is it absurd for some people such as sex workers and others to make a quick buck in erotica? Aggy B, it can be done but you must put work into it. As I stated to KimJo, many sex workers who turn erotica writers make thousands of dollars writing with in a few months. Moreover, most sex workers have an build-in audience between 100s to 1000s of clients. Many of their clients will buy their book as well as their fans. In addition, many have a marketing team between 1 to 15 people willing to work on everything including their PR. Also, you can factor in if they are apart of companies, agencies, or studios who will market something in order to turn a profit. So, many sex workers can profit off erotica or even "written porn" more than the average novice writer due to marketing, fanbase, and PR. Outside of the sex workers community, there are writers who just start making money by pure luck,word-of-mouth, or other factors. My point is....you can make a quick buck but you must have everything else plan out before that money comes in.

Aggy B. said:
I'd hazard a guess that hackles were raised, not because of the "quick-buck" implication, but because Charlee's "busing tables" and "stripper" comments read more like "I feel like a slut writing erotica. Do you?"

As someone else mentioned, if a similar comment were made in one of the other genre forums, people would naturally be upset. I've been in groups before where anything considered "genre fiction" was belittled. Even here on AW I've seen plenty of folks opining about "Vampires are so overdone", "Epic fantasy is dead", "If I see another dystopian novel I'll shoot myself", etc etc etc.

It's not so much the idea that some folks are in this to make a quick buck (no matter how absurd that idea really is) that is upsetting. It's the implication that this is a throwaway genre that no one really takes seriously.

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So, you can't make a quick buck writing erotica because you have to plan it out beforehand.

Which is exactly what I said.

Making a profit in any genre requires a combination of A) Skill, B) Luck/Timing, C) Audience, D) Preparation, and E) Effort.

You don't have to have all five elements, but I'd say at least two are necessary to be successful. Your "sex worker" argument requires an amount of preparation and built-in audience in order to "make thousands of dollars in a few months".

What you can't do with any expectation of success is hammer out a story/book and throw it up on Amazon with no marketing or built-in audience (folks who know you and want to read what you might produce) and expect to sit back and watch the dollars roll in.

You seem to be trying really hard to put words into other folks mouths. Which I don't appreciate.

I write books to make money. So please don't try and act like I'm saying writing books can't be about making money. Because I'm not.

I am saying it takes a combination of skill/timing/audience/preparation/effort to be profitable and anyone who says otherwise is seriously misinformed.

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Aggy B,

You know what I do not appreciate? Is people trying to make it seen my " sex worker" argument is not valid?I am just stating certain factors that you did not thinking about before making your statements about "absurdity of making a quick buck". You said it....not me.As far as my "sex worker" argument is concern, most sex workers already have basically have two major elements(marketing team and build-in audience) from their choose profession anyways. Thus, making it easier for them to sell books than most novice writers their first time. How is that something you were trying to say? Thus, making your statement about the "absurdity of a quick buck" not valid in their case.Plus do not act like my "sex worker" argument is not a valid one just because you never worked in that industry. Because it kind of highlights what Charliee was saying about working as an erotica writer.

Aggy B. said:
So, you can't make a quick buck writing erotica because you have to plan it out beforehand.

Which is exactly what I said.

Making a profit in any genre requires a combination of A) Skill, B) Luck/Timing, C) Audience, D) Preparation, and E) Effort.

You don't have to have all five elements, but I'd say at least two are necessary to be successful. Your "sex worker" argument requires an amount of preparation and built-in audience in order to "make thousands of dollars in a few months".

What you can't do with any expectation of success is hammer out a story/book and throw it up on Amazon with no marketing or built-in audience (folks who know you and want to read what you might produce) and expect to sit back and watch the dollars roll in.

You seem to be trying really hard to put words into other folks mouths. Which I don't appreciate.

I write books to make money. So please don't try and act like I'm saying writing books can't be about making money. Because I'm not.

I am saying it takes a combination of skill/timing/audience/preparation/effort to be profitable and anyone who says otherwise is seriously misinformed.

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What Aggy's saying--and I agree--is that a sex worker who is writing erotica is not making a "quick buck." They are making money because they *have* a built-in audience, they *have* the marketing support, they *have* the skills and knowledge.

"Quick buck" as used by most of us in this thread refers, as Aggy said, to the people who say "Oh, erotica's a good way to make money" and just toss off stories with little or no preparation in the market, no built-in audience, no marketing support, etc.

Therefore, your use of sex workers as an example to refute the point is irrelevant, because they are NOT MAKING A QUICK BUCK with erotica. They are making money with something they have already put time, energy, and effort into preparing to be able to sell. If they have done advance planning and preparation, as you yourself say they have, they are not making a quick buck.

The likelihood is also that they aren't doing it "until the real writing takes off" and aren't ashamed of writing it, which are the other issues people have had with the initial post in this thread.

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... it's neat sex-workers write. Shows they have intelligence contrary to popular belief. The most famous was Ella Fitzgerald. Teen prostitute. Not sure if she wrote any of her songs. But still she sang them and gave her own unique interpretation and went on to become one of the best singers ever! (apologies for the slight derail)

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Kim Jo,
Actually, I was disagreeing with Aggy's one statement about no one could make a quick buck off erotica. As far as my sex worker statement being irrelevant to Aggy's argument, maybe to you it is but my argument highlights what Charlee was talking about when first starting this thread. I used sex workers as my focus point because it seems like the OP was using erotica only for side-hustle like most sex workers do. Thus, my sex worker statements was to highlight the type of erotica writer Charlee is. Charlee was writing purely for money as most sex workers do and there is nothing wrong with that. You agree with Aggy for your own reasons but my argument is still valid. Because it highlights how Charlee feels about writing erotica...something to do only a quick buck and not for some sort passion that most writers have on here for the genre. That is all.

KimJo said:
What Aggy's saying--and I agree--is that a sex worker who is writing erotica is not making a "quick buck." They are making money because they *have* a built-in audience, they *have* the marketing support, they *have* the skills and knowledge.

"Quick buck" as used by most of us in this thread refers, as Aggy said, to the people who say "Oh, erotica's a good way to make money" and just toss off stories with little or no preparation in the market, no built-in audience, no marketing support, etc.

Therefore, your use of sex workers as an example to refute the point is irrelevant, because they are NOT MAKING A QUICK BUCK with erotica. They are making money with something they have already put time, energy, and effort into preparing to be able to sell.

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Ken,
Sex workers have been writers for centuries and some of the greatest poets have been ladies of the night. Back to the great Ella Fitzgerald, she was a streetwalker and worked in a brothel because she was an foster child. Music was her way out but her story is not unlike many Blues and Jazz singers of their day. Even the great Billie Holiday walked the streets from time to time. Anyways,
I believe that Ella did write some of songs including shiny stockings. However, Ella true passion always was music and not sex work. However, shiny stockings have two meanings for people....many sex workers know shiny stockings addresses the African-American cathouses of the south. Besides, tons of sex workers have Masters and PHDs as well. Despite what you heard from the media, a lot sex workers were not forced into or feel degraded by it. Many of sex workers are poets, novelists, actors,and even politicians. For example, famous Italian 16th century poet, Veronica Franco, was also one of Italy's greatest courtesans. Let's not forget the most famous porn star/ politician called "La Cicciolina"

Ken said:
... it's neat sex-workers write. Shows they have intelligence contrary to popular belief. The most famous was Ella Fitzgerald. Teen prostitute. Not sure if she wrote any of her songs. But still she sang them and gave her own unique interpretation and went on to become one of the best singers ever! (apologies for the slight derail)

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M.N Thorne said:
Ken,
Sex workers have been writers for centuries and some of the greatest poets have been ladies of the night. Back to the great Ella Fitzgerald, she was a streetwalker and worked in a brothel because she was an foster child. Music was her way out but her story is not unlike many Blues and Jazz singers of their day. Even the great Billie Holiday walked the streets from time to time. Anyways,
I believe that Ella did write some of songs including shiny stockings. However, Ella true passion always was music and not sex work. However, shiny stockings have two meanings for people....many sex workers know shiny stockings addresses the African-American cathouses of the south. Often times,
Besides, tons of sex workers have Masters and PHDs as well. Despite what you heard from the media, a lot sex workers were not forced into or feel degraded by it. Now, I am talking about elite sex workers not street walkers or common escorts. Yes, there is a class system in place with sex work just like other parts of society. Many of sex workers are poets, novelists, actors,and even politicians. For example, famous Italian 16th century poet, Veronica Franco, was also one of Italy's greatest courtesans. Let's not forget the most famous porn star/ politician called "La Cicciolina"

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Thnx for the info. That is really cool. It goes to show that people are more than just what you happen to know about them at such and such a time. And that goes for all professions. That cashier at the supermarket; that guy selling you a salty pretzel; that lady giving you a manicure, etc, etc. So how about a bit more respect in general for everybody, all?

ps Definitely gonna check out shiny stockings.

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Here is some links about ladies of the evening who are poets:

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/efts/IWW/BIOS/A0017.html
https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/tullia-daragona/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao_II

Plus the greatest European Courtesan, La Paiva

http://www.thegloss.com/2013/03/26/beauty/la-paiva-biography/

Ken said:
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Thnx for the info. That is really cool. It goes to show that people are more than just what you happen to know about them at such and such a time. And that goes for all professions. That cashier at the supermarket; that guy selling you a salty pretzel; that lady giving you a manicure, etc, etc. So how about a bit more respect in general for everybody, all?

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Thnx for the links. Like this the best:

Portrayal in Literature ... Tsunamune offered to buy out her (Takao, the prostitute) contract by paying gold equal to her weight. The brothel owner weighted her sleeves down with iron until she weighed more than 165 pounds. Tsunamune paid.

Sure must've loved her

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I'm not bothered by the erotica/sex worker comparison. I don't feel like a stripper for writing erotica in general. But I have written stories purely for the purpose of turning somebody on. I've actually written a couple stories on commission because someone liked my writing and really wanted a story about a particular fantasy of theirs. That's obviously not like stripping or prostitution, but I do feel a bit like a sex worker when I do something like that. I feel like the only difference between that and something like being a phone sex operator is that I'm less personally involved. So I think it depends on the type of erotica and the context in which it's written.

I'm actually more bothered by the idea some people have that it's super easy to make money writing erotica, regardless of quality. If you make an effort, that's fine. But I think it does a disservice when it's not taken seriously at all.

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