Richard III Re-interment

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Anyone planning to watch it? I've taken the day off work so I can watch the service on Thursday, and will be watching the procession tomorrow evening. Who knows if I'll ever get to see the burial of a medieval king again (unless we give the Scots James IV back). :)
 

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Been following twitter most of the day. Starting to get choked up when three squadrons of the British Army begun the journey of escorting the cortege from Bosworth to Leicester Cathedral. :e2cry:
 

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Meh. Funny how easily people forget what a psycho he was...
 

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Evidence?

A lot of history commissioned by a murderous usurper who went out his way to frame up and murder most of the bloodline he deposed and who invented the modern secret police and secret torture courts system.

Direct, reliable evidence? Not so much.

Anyhow, it is his funeral, where one is traditionally charitable enough towards the departed soul not to speak ill of the dead.
 
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I still think Richard had his nephews killed, but honestly I'm not worked up about the whole thing. I'm fascinated, but I have no strong emotions attached to it. And in case anyone asks for evidence, I'm not an expert in the field and I'm not presenting an argument; this is just my impression from reading several books on the topic. He was still a king, and both his story and the story of how his remains were discovered are amazing.

Hopefully, there will be some good YouTube videos of the ceremonies that I can watch over here on my side of the pond after the fact. Or maybe there will be a PBS special. (Please, PBS, please??)
 

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To be honest, if he wasn't such a controversial figure, I probably wouldn't be as interested in the equally fascinating discovery of his remains and reburial.
 

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I still think Richard had his nephews killed, but honestly I'm not worked up about the whole thing. I'm fascinated, but I have no strong emotions attached to it. And in case anyone asks for evidence, I'm not an expert in the field and I'm not presenting an argument; this is just my impression from reading several books on the topic. He was still a king, and both his story and the story of how his remains were discovered are amazing.

If Richard did kill the princes, he saved Henry Tudor the job. From what I've been reading from the research of his wounds, Leicester had deduced that the helmet had been ripped from his head and he was 'summarily executed' on the battlefield. It seems that Henry did not want Richard leaving Bosworth alive. He was as ruthless as the best of them.
 

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If Richard did kill the princes, he saved Henry Tudor the job. From what I've been reading from the research of his wounds, Leicester had deduced that the helmet had been ripped from his head and he was 'summarily executed' on the battlefield. It seems that Henry did not want Richard leaving Bosworth alive. He was as ruthless as the best of them.

Henry VII was a right bastard all right.

That's no judgement whatsoever on the character of Richard III for good or ill.

But damn, Henry VII's character was ill.
 

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Of course he was a "psycho" it was the main qualification to be a mediaeval king -- they had to be war hungry leaders with a strong instinct for survival. I don't think it's fair to judge him by 2015 standards.

I do recommend the Horrible Histories song on Richard III ;) Although after finding his body we now know he did have some of the issues.
 
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If Richard did kill the princes, he saved Henry Tudor the job. From what I've been reading from the research of his wounds, Leicester had deduced that the helmet had been ripped from his head and he was 'summarily executed' on the battlefield. It seems that Henry did not want Richard leaving Bosworth alive. He was as ruthless as the best of them.

Yes, I'm sure Henry VII was capable of killing any number of children required. He was ruthless in a meticulous, methodical and detached way, and yet I like him better than Henry VIII (but then I loathe Henry VIII). To be honest, I'm a bit anti-Tudor overall (yes, including Elizabeth), but I'm not overly fond of the Yorkist kings either, so I don't really have a horse in the race. Therefore, I am going to take the opportunity to quote a character of mine on Richard III and the princes in the Tower (because I'll likely never get to use this line and it fits into this discussion beautifully):

“The way I see it, there are only two options – either he did kill them, in which case he was a villain, or he did not, in which case he was a fool. Frankly, I do not know which is worse in a king.”

Basically, killing them quietly was the rational thing to do, and efficient kings need to be ruthless. Did Richard have it in him to be an efficient and ruthless king? I really couldn't say, but if he didn't, I don't think he'd have lasted much beyond Bosworth even if he'd won the battle.
 
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