Richard III's remains: Leicester car park dug up

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I hope the dig is successful, as I start my new Ancient History and Archeology degree at Leicester. :)
 

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I'm going to start pronouncing "Pittsburgh" "Pitts-burr-uh." Maybe it'll catch on.
 

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I'm going to start pronouncing "Pittsburgh" "Pitts-burr-uh." Maybe it'll catch on.

We pronounce Bergh Apton down the road as "Burg Apton". As opposed to the Roman Fort at Burgh Castle a few miles away which is, obviously, pronounced 'Burrer Castle'.
 

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We pronounce Bergh Apton down the road as "Burg Apton". As opposed to the Roman Fort at Burgh Castle a few miles away which is, obviously, pronounced 'Burrer Castle'.

As long as you're consistent.
 

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We pronounce Bergh Apton down the road as "Burg Apton". As opposed to the Roman Fort at Burgh Castle a few miles away which is, obviously, pronounced 'Burrer Castle'.

Bergh, if its going to deviate from Burg should be pronounced as Barrow. Unless Bergh is supposed to be Burgh.
 

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Bergh, if its going to deviate from Burg should be pronounced as Barrow. Unless Bergh is supposed to be Burgh.

'Bergh' in Bergh Apton presumably comes from the small Roman fort that the church now sits on. 'Burgh' in Burgh Castle is from the huge Roman fort slowly slipping into the river.
 

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Gothicangel when do you start your degree? I am planning to go to Leicester for a funeral in the, hopefully, not too distant future. Maybe we could meet up for a wake!

The big question now is, if the remains are Richard's where should he be buried? Main contenders are: Leicester, York, Windsor or Westminster Abbey. Any thoughts? And no, not about how they are pronounced!
 

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'Bergh' in Bergh Apton presumably comes from the small Roman fort that the church now sits on. 'Burgh' in Burgh Castle is from the huge Roman fort slowly slipping into the river.

From what I can find, Bergh Apton comes from the merger-of-a-sort of two villages: Bergh and Apton. Bergh was originally built on a small hill (barrow) overlooking the River Chet. *shrug*
 

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Gothicangel when do you start your degree? I am planning to go to Leicester for a funeral in the, hopefully, not too distant future. Maybe we could meet up for a wake!

The big question now is, if the remains are Richard's where should he be buried? Main contenders are: Leicester, York, Windsor or Westminster Abbey. Any thoughts? And no, not about how they are pronounced!


York, I think. He was pretty popular there, wasn't he? And I seem to recall reading somewhere that he wanted to be buried there. Also, I love York Minster.
 

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York, I think. He was pretty popular there, wasn't he? And I seem to recall reading somewhere that he wanted to be buried there. Also, I love York Minster.


I also love the Minster. I think he is still popular in York.
 

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I'm going to start pronouncing "Pittsburgh" "Pitts-burr-uh." Maybe it'll catch on.

You can't do that, it wouldn't fit with North Ver-sales. :D

The big question now is, if the remains are Richard's where should he be buried? Main contenders are: Leicester, York, Windsor or Westminster Abbey. Any thoughts? And no, not about how they are pronounced!

I reckon York too.

A friend of mine reckoned he should have a Catholic Mass given that Richard was a devout Catholic. I thought that was quite an interesting point.
 

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I have a Brit Lit question: Richard 3's grave was memorialized in a garden owned by a Robert Herrick. I know it can't be the Gather Ye Rosebuds Herrick because of the time gap and because the poet was a bachelor, but was it an ancestor? That would be improbable but way cool--s6
 

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You can't do that, it wouldn't fit with North Ver-sales. :D



I reckon York too.

A friend of mine reckoned he should have a Catholic Mass given that Richard was a devout Catholic. I thought that was quite an interesting point.

It is a very interesting point. Though a friend I was talking to about this pointed out that she is a devout Christian, and she thought that was more important than belonging to a specific denomination. Richard would have known the Minster, and may have worshipped there.

I have a Brit Lit question: Richard 3's grave was memorialized in a garden owned by a Robert Herrick. I know it can't be the Gather Ye Rosebuds Herrick because of the time gap and because the poet was a bachelor, but was it an ancestor? That would be improbable but way cool--s6

Alderman Robert Herrick bought the land in 1600 and he built "a mansion with a stone pillar in the garden marking the site of Richard's grave."* in 1612. Robert Herrick the poet was born in London in 1591. Which is about as much info that I know. I suppose they may have been related . . . what Komnena said!

*http://www.thisisleicestershire.co....-burial-site/story-16893192-detail/story.html
 

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From what I can find, Bergh Apton comes from the merger-of-a-sort of two villages: Bergh and Apton. Bergh was originally built on a small hill (barrow) overlooking the River Chet. *shrug*

The small hill contained a Roman hill fort upon which the church was later built.
 

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Gothicangel when do you start your degree? I am planning to go to Leicester for a funeral in the, hopefully, not too distant future. Maybe we could meet up for a wake!

The big question now is, if the remains are Richard's where should he be buried? Main contenders are: Leicester, York, Windsor or Westminster Abbey. Any thoughts? And no, not about how they are pronounced!

I'm starting in February [I know sounds weird, but they are quite flexible that way :)]

I think he should be interred at Westminster. My sister [the Theology student] tells me there might be a problem with the Diocese for burial in York.
 

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I'm starting in February [I know sounds weird, but they are quite flexible that way :)]

Maybe during the spring . . . less bad weather.

I think he should be interred at Westminster. My sister [the Theology student] tells me there might be a problem with the Diocese for burial in York.

Westminster Abbey is a royal peculiar - so it would be up to HM and the Palace has already said that 'they' are not interested. Westminster Cathedral is the Mother Church for Catholics in England and Wales - so he could be buried there. If, of course, it is Richard III.
 

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Westminster Abbey is a royal peculiar - so it would be up to HM and the Palace has already said that 'they' are not interested. Westminster Cathedral is the Mother Church for Catholics in England and Wales - so he could be buried there. If, of course, it is Richard III.

They're not interested? That seems a bit of a shame. :(

Westminster Cathedral would make sense.
 

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I also think it is a bit of a shame - but it could be difficult and divisive. If it is RIII, well, he was a Catholic, and although Westminster Abbey was Catholic until the Reformation it is now C of E. So burying him in a C of E place might offend some people - though there is a paradox in that most of the Kings and Queens buried there were Catholics. James I had his mother, Mary Queen of Scots moved from Peterborough Cathedral and buried in the Abbey even though she was Catholic and the Abbey was, by then C of E. All this religious stuff is giving me a headache!