The Old Neverending PublishAmerica Thread (Publish America)

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KW

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"The earliest contracts, issued in late 1999/early 2000, show the name AmErica House. "

The books I have are from 2001 and 2002. And, if I'm not mistaken, a few are still printed under that logo now. I will have to look and see if I can find any.

Kevin
 

HapiSofi

Re: Let the games begin!

Dee Power said PublishAmerica said:
“PublishAmerica continues to grow faster than any other traditional publisher, and today we are apparently the most popular publisher among new authors. More than 50 new authors contact us every day, hoping to join you as a PublishAmerica author. That's more than 12,000 hopefuls per year. At least 80 percent of them never make it to the "published author" status, because they don't pass our acquisitions process, but that does not seem to discourage anyone from submitting their work to us in ever growing, and frankly astonishing, numbers.”
Dee Power then said:
They have been contacted by 12,000 “hopefuls” and they decline 80%, which would mean that they would publish 2400 books a year or 200 a month. They published more than double that in June and are on that same level for July.
They published 400 titles a month in June and July? You couldn't ask for clearer proof that PublishAmerica's books don't get bookstore distribution. If there were 400 PA titles a month hitting the stores in North America, you wouldn't be able to walk into a bookstore without seeing copies of PA titles on every side, one after another, piled up and spilling over, in every area and category.

You'd also be seeing media coverage of this phenomenon. Four hundred titles a month is a hell of a lot of books for such a young publishing house. There'd also be interesting second-order effects. A non-returnable book that doesn't sell just squats there, taking up shelf space, crowding out other books. If that were happening, authors at other houses would be screaming bloody murder. (Authors are good at that.) Readers who couldn't find their usual authors would be complaining as well. And needless to say, bookstore owners and managers would be wailing and gnashing their teeth.

Come to think of it, if PublishAmerica is publishing 400 titles a month, you should be able to test whether they're getting bookstore distribution just by looking at the sidewalks in front of the stores. It's simple: PA books aren't returnable; many of them are virtually unsaleable; and bookstores can't afford to let them tie up their shelf space forever. Therefore, if there aren't cardboard freebie boxes or "any book $1.00" bookshelves full of PA titles sitting out in front of America's bookstores right now, PA can't be getting bookstore distribution.

Here's an easy test that can be run by any writer thinking of signing a contract with PublishAmerica: Go to the biggest bookstore in your area. Ask how many books they stock that are published by PA. If the bookstore doesn't have scores of titles and hundreds of copies, then PublishAmerica is lying to you.

Bookstore distribution isn't the only fib PA tells, but it's one you can test for yourself before you do or say anything else.
 

DaveKuzminski

15 per day?

"FACT #3: Again, unparalleled among all traditional book publishing companies, each day an average 15 times a PublishAmerica author appears in the news media, in newspapers, magazines, radio or TV. The authors of this book publishing company have been interviewed, reviewed or introduced in literally thousands of newspapers across the country, from the Washington Post to the Clackamas County News, from the Kingwood Observer to the Los Angeles Times to Women's World Magazine. They have made appearances on local TV, and on national ABC, CNN, MSNBC and FOX TV. They also have been interviewed by radio shows hosts such as Rush Limbaugh, Don Imus, Diane Rehm, and Oliver North."

Okay, I have a problem with this section of PA's claims. Using just a thirty-day month, this would be on the order of 450 media appearances, regardless of which kind of media it is since PA is clearly not distinguishing among the types.

Um, okay, PA, prove it. Pick any month from 2004 and list all of the appearances in the media that PA has arranged.

Uh, too many days? Okay, make it just one week from a month in 2004. You get to pick the month and week. Surely, PA can document how they arranged that many appearances for their authors. It's just seven measly days totaling a mere 105 media appearances.

Okay, how about just one day, PA? Show us where PA arranged fifteen or more appearances for its authors. PA gets to pick the best day from this year to prove how it arranged media appearances. Surely, PA can do that to back up its IMPLIED claim that PA was responsible for those authors being interviewed, reviewed, or introduced. In not, then it needs to be mentioned in the claim that the authors were responsible for those appearances, which I still suspect do not average out to 15 per day.
 

KW

RESPONSE

FACT #11: We assign an editor who goes through the text line by line. Let's put this in perspective. We don't touch style issues, we don't edit the author's voice, tone, or delivery. We edit for spelling, mechanics, grammar, typos, and trust us, that's a vital and time consuming job. Together, our editing staff makes more than 35,000 (!) corrections, each day, to the books they work on that day. We then send a book back to the author, up to three times, to ensure that it looks exactly as the author wants it to look. We assign a graphic designer who comes up with a unique cover design. They communicate with the authors, to hear their suggestions and ideas, so that they can be incorporated into the design. All of that takes time, and we believe that the authors WANT it to take time. After all, this is their life's work. They want it to be treated accordingly. They want time control, they want quality over hurry. We assure them both.


Let's disect this shall we. Lets say they have 7 editors and they each are working on one book. Now they claim to make 35,000 corrections a day then that would break down to 5,000 corrections they make in each book for that day. Now, we all know you can not edit a whole book in a day, so lets say they edit 100 pages and each one fixes 5,000 mistakes? That is not very good of their aquistions department when they let work that is this bad go through. So, if the book is 300 pages then they fix 15,000 problems in that book? And yet they claim the books go through a strict process to get accpeted. Obvioulsy not.

Kevin
 

KW

Lets look at this

So you deny the fact that your company was Erica Books prior to
changing
>>it's name to Publish America when complaints began rolling in.

Now they might have never changed their name, that is questionable, then why does one of the co-owners of PA have a book out by EricaHouse? His company? Ericahouse is in the same town and state PA is in, makes you wonder huh?


Those Who Win Are Those Who Think They Can.
by Meiners, Willem.

price: $8.26

Ships within 2 to 3 days

Binding: Soft Cover Publisher: Erica House, Frederick, MD, U.S.A

Plus, this bok by Meiners.




Lattu Daginn M Dag Skipta Mali
by Meiners, Willem

our price: $29.95

Ready to Ship


add to wishlist

Binding: Hardcover Publisher: Publishamerica Date Published: 10/2003 ISBN: 1413716911

This book is not intended for sale here since it isn't written in English. And what I also found interesting is that this book deals with the country Mali and is listed on the embassy page for that country. Another tid bit of info, Mali does not have extradition laws with the US. So if Meiners did get convicted of fraud he could skip to Mali with all of the money and never be seen again.

This may not be true, but it is food for thought.

Kevin
 

Jarocal

RE:15 per day?

Fifteen a day isn't hard to swallow if you count their release to the "news outlet" on the internet. at releasing six books a day almost half of the 15 per day is completed just with their little write up on PRweb or whatever "news" site they have an arrangement to put their "press releases" out with.

15 mentions a day for all PA authors means that at:

8000 author's, a PA author can expect to be mentioned (with hard work on their part) once every 533 1/3 days.

5000 authors, a PA author can expect to be mentioned (again with hard work on their part) every 333 1/3 days.

The fact that those numbers are a statistical average also means that while some authors are able to find "more media mentions" of their book they are offsetting against other authors whose only media appearence will be whatever "news" website PA runs their "press release" through.
 

AnneMarble

Re: RESPONSE

Now they claim to make 35,000 corrections a day then that would break down to 5,000 corrections they make in each book for that day. Now, we all know you can not edit a whole book in a day, so lets say they edit 100 pages and each one fixes 5,000 mistakes?

One, 50 misteaks a page. :rofl

I edit biochemistry articles. I have edited articles that were written by multiple authors located in different countries (such as Italy and France) where the authors 1) did not know what style the co-authors were using; 2) did not know Journal style; 3) kept forgetting what styles they had been using; and did not have a firm grasp on American English usage. Yet even in those cases, the articles usually average only a few changes per page. (To be fair, they do go through a true review process, but that process is concerned with science and accuracy, not grammar.)
 

DeePower

Second half of letter to terminate PublishAMerica

Second half of the letter to terminate Brian Hill's and
Dee Power's contact with PublishAMerica and their responses.

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Our bullet point

The retail price you put on the book, $21.95 is at last 25%
above market price for trade paperback books, which was another
barrier for us to overcome in trying to market Overtime. We
told you several times that it would be impossible to sell the
book at any price above $19.95 but we were ignored.
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PublishAmerica’s response

- On price: Your question may be answered in this detailed
discussion of this issue, and the info below:

www.publishamerica.com/cg...n/6842.htm

Contrary to what you may have been told, bookstores will
generally carry a book that they think will sell, regardless
of price, whether it is returnable or not, and whether it is
printed on digital or offset presses. You may have found a
number of books that are less expensive than yours will be,
but we have found a large number of similar books that are
more expensive.

We know that our pricing is not deterring sales. We have
found that pricing is simply not nearly the significant issue
that some may think it is. Remember too, that we are just as
eager to sell books as you are, and would do things
differently if we thought it appropriate.

In the past two years we have sold more than a quarter of a
million books, which stands in contrast to any allegation
that our books are not competitively priced and/or supplied.

All of our books are so-called "trade paperbacks", with most
of them 6 inches by 9 inches in size. Trade paperbacks are
what you find in your local bookstore. There is another type
of book called "mass paperback". The size of these is
considerably smaller, their paper quality is much cheaper,
and they are mostly available in supermarkets and convenience
stores.

They are often priced in the $6 to $9 range, and are mostly
the books to which you are comparing yours. In our industry,
comparing trade paperbacks with mass paperbacks is like
comparing apples and oranges. The cheaper mass paperbacks
sell significantly less, statistically, than the more expensive
trade paperbacks. In fact, the rate of unsold copies that go
back to the publisher for destruction is three times higher
than the rate for the higher priced trade paperbacks.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.


The link below was deleted by PublishAmerica and no longer works
www.publishamerica.com/cg...n/6842.htm

In the first part of their response they say they are close to
selling their millionth book, here they say they have sold
250,000 copies in the last two years. That’s a huge
difference.

PA says: “Contrary to what you may have been told, bookstores
will generally carry a book that they think will sell,
regardless of price, whether it is returnable or not, and
whether it is printed on digital or offset presses.”

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

The bookstores are the ones who told us they won’t carry a
book that’s overpriced or non returnable.

PA says: “You may have found a number of books that are less
expensive than yours will be, but we have found a large
number of similar books that are more expensive.”

Notice PA says “will be” the book under discussion has already
been published.

PA says: “All of our books are so-called "trade paperbacks",
with most of them 6 inches by 9 inches in size. Trade paperbacks
are what you find in your local bookstore. There is another type
of book called "mass paperback". The size of these is
considerably smaller, their paper quality is much cheaper,
and they are mostly available in supermarkets and convenience
stores.”

Obviously PA hasn’t been inside a bookstore lately. Mass market
books far outnumber trade paperbacks. And of course the paper
is cheaper the price is around $7.00 to $8.00. Trade paperback
is not the favored format for fiction, mass market is.

PA says: “They are often priced in the $6 to $9 range, and are
mostly the books to which you are comparing yours.

In our discussions with PA we specifically said trade paperback.

PA says: In our industry, comparing trade paperbacks with mass
paperbacks is like comparing apples and oranges. The cheaper mass
paperbacks sell significantly less, statistically, than the more
expensive trade paperbacks. In fact, the rate of unsold copies
that go back to the publisher for destruction is three times
higher than the rate for the higher priced trade paperbacks.”

I don’t know where they get the statistics that mass paperbacks
sell significantly less than trade paperback I can’t find it
anywhere. I believe it’s the opposite, there are quite a few
more mass market books printed than trade. I also have no idea
where the three times higher statement comes from. However it
may just be a factor that so many more titles are published in
mass market format
than trade.
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Our bullet point
To be effective, a media/PR campaign for a book release must
begin at least 6 months before the book is available. We
repeatedly asked what the release date was, and were never
given a firm date.

PublishAmerica’s response

THEY NEVER ADDRESSED OUR POINT.

- Media/PR campaign:
As for marketing, virtually no day goes by without
PublishAmerica being in the news. Among the celebrities that
have recently been congratulating PublishAmerica an its
authors are First Lady Laura Bush and Second Lady
Lynne Cheney. An increasing number of our authors have
recently been or will soon be on national TV, including
celebrity actor Jamie Farr who will promote his new book
on the Hollywood Squares show next month.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

Jamie Farr’s book has been out for over a year.
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A year or so ago, Writer's Digest did a detailed study of
a publishing contract that was almost identical to ours,
and gave it a clean bill of health. Our contract terms are
very much standard for the publishing industry.
PublishAmerica is operating under the watchful eyes of
highly credible industry authorities such as the National
Writers Union, an AFL/CIO affiliate who states that ours
"is not at all a bad contract", and Christian author
advocate Sally Stuart who recently told a writer, "you
should be OK working with this company." Such verdicts,
plus the sheer numbers of our results, speak for themselves.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

Publish America has a very nonstandard contract
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PublishAmerica continues to grow faster than any other
traditional publisher, and today we are apparently the most
popular publisher among new authors. More than 50 new authors
contact us every day, hoping to join you as a PublishAmerica
author. That's more than 12,000 hopefuls per year. At
least 80 percent of them never make it to the "published
author" status, because they don't pass our acquisitions
process, but that does not seem to discourage anyone from
submitting their work to us in ever growing, and frankly
astonishing, numbers. We read every single submission before
we accept or refuse.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

PublishAmerica is NOT a traditional publisher. And how do they
measure growth, it’s certainly not in total sales. It can only
be in number of titles.
#######################

Our operations are expanding. Last month we opened a third
office, we are hiring more staff, and we are sending out
an average 10-15 press releases about our new titles and
authors every day.

Many of our titles receive more marketing attention than
their counterparts published by the largest publishing houses.

###########################
Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

This is a lie. PublishAmerica only marketing effort is to send
out a shoddy looking flyer to a list of the author’s friends
and family. The flyer doesn’t even have the cover of the book
on it.

And notice they didn’t say they provide more marketing than
the largest houses but that many of their titles receive more
marketing attention. That attention is from the authors
themselves not by PublishAmerica.
##################################

Over 1000 PublishAmerica authors each year ask us to accept
their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th manuscripts. By any standard, this
is an amazingly high number of return authors, unseen in
the rest of the industry. Our marketing efforts are partially
responsible for this.

For celebrity endorsements and other media attention, see:

www.publishamerica.com/upinlights.htm

PublishAmerica sends marketing information for each title to
RR. Bowker's Books In Print, Ingram, Baker & Taylor, The
Brodart Company, Barnes & Noble.com, Barnes & Noble, and
Amazon.com. This marketing information is distributed to each
and every book retailer and library across the country,
and is typically made available to review editors of most
major newspapers and magazines.

#######################################
Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

This is not marketing information, it’s the book’s description
for Bowker’s books in print. PA phrases this to sound like they
send out press releases for their books to review editors.
They don’t. It also sounds like they distribute the “marketing
information” to book retailers and libraries. They don’t.
##########################

In addition, PublishAmerica creates and sends a direct mail
letter with book and news release marketing information, which
is sent to individuals and businesses across the US, including
magazines and newspapers. These efforts have helped to generate
hundreds and hundreds of feature articles and/or reviews about
our authors and their books, some of which are posted on our
web site.

###############################
Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

PA sends out one press release when the author signs the
contract to one newspaper in the author’s home city. Any
other promotional efforts are from the authors.
###############################

Also, PublishAmerica sends thousands of complete books,
gratis, for review to magazines, newspapers, television, and
radio programs

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

PA sends out two, count them, two review copies, any other
copies are provided by the author.
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PublishAmerica routinely attends industry events with book
copies, professional cover displays, company literature, and
real time book ordering opportunities from the web. We also
conduct workshops, lectures, and discussion groups at these
events.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

They do NOT attend BookExpo America. And if you look on the
website the last trade show they attended was in 2002. They
put on a PA authors convention twice a year.
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Also, PublishAmerica is growing internationally. Several
PublishAmerica titles are under contract by publishers as far
way as Korea and China. These works have been translated into
those languages and are for sale in those countries. Imagine
having two versions of your book on your coffee table:
English and Chinese!

As part of PublishAmerica's recent alliance with the British
branch of Ingram, in the United Kingdom, PublishAmerica's
books are now available from the best European distribution
channels; through all major European bookstores, to more
than 200 million European readers in the following
countries:

England, Spain, Scotland, Ireland, Norway
Germany, Holland, Finland, Denmark, Belgium,
Sweden

And finally, in the expansion department, we are happy to
announce the birth of two new daughter publishing companies
in Europe. PUBLISHBRITANNICA will serve new authors in
Britain, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, while PUBLISHICELANDICA
will open its doors shortly for Icelandic authors, with
an eye towards possible further expansion into Scandinavia.
Later this year we are taking the majority of our staff, and
some of our authors, to Iceland to celebrate!

#######################################
Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

None of this promotes their books, all of it is to generate
new author inquiries. Traditional publishers have all the
submissions they can handle, when they advertise, they advertise
their titles.
#######################################

We promote each book to virtually every vendor from sea to
shining sea, and go to great lengths, and expense, to ensure
that everyone in the industry knows about it. Consequently,
your book is available through each and every bookstore in
the country, and all those bookstores have all pertinent
information at their fingertips.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

They don’t promote any of their books. The information the
bookstores have is in the computer databases of Ingram.
Bookstores, chains and independents order books through the
publisher’s catalog and through visits by the publisher’s
sales reps. PublishAmerica has no catalog and no sales reps.
The chains have buyers at the corporate headquarters
and they make the decision which books to order, the local
manager can order a book for a customer, but any other orders
have to be approved by the buyers.

Notice also how they say, “your book is available through each
and every bookstore in the country.” What they mean is your book
could be ordered in the bookstore, not that it is stocked. Some
bookstores won’t even order a PA book.
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We are also nominating our best books for awards, including
the Pulitzer prize, and we have negotiated a special promotion
deal with all Barnes & Noble bookstores. Barnes & Noble could
select your title to be added to their InPrint section,
virtually guaranteeing it 48-hour availability in all of their
stores.

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Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

Pulitzer prize? That’s a joke. And notice how it’s Barnes and
Noble *could* select your title. No guarantees there virtual
or otherwise.
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We have launched a showcase website for all of our authors,
called PublishedAuthors.net. It gives individual web pages to
each and every author, highlighting them and their books.
The content of these pages are edited by the author
individually, and password protected. Not only that,
but it will also gives every author their own e-mail address,
@publishedauthors.net. This innovative new service will be
free, of course, as you have come to expect from
PublishAmerica.

Thousands, each and every month, of PublishAmerica books are
sold in bookstores across the nation. Bookstores buy books
from us each and every day. Barnes and Noble has quadrupled
the number of books they order from PublishAmerica during
the past year, as can be seen by all the stories and
reports from authors whose books are stocked. The
PublishAmerica message board is overflowing with
testimonials from our authors about their books being
stocked in bookstores. Hundreds of bookstores across the
nation stock our books.

PublishAmerica is stronger than ever. Some time ago, we
partnered with Ingram, the world's largest book distributor,
and, separately, with Barnes & Noble, the nation's prime
bookstore chain. This means that your book will not only be
available through all American bookstores, but through
bookstores in a dozen European countries as well.

PublishAmerica is a traditional, advance and royalty paying
publisher, sharing printing facilities with Random House,
Simon and Schuster, McGraw-Hill, etc.

Over 1000 PublishAmerica authors each year ask us to accept
their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th manuscripts. By any standard, this
is an amazingly high number of return authors, unseen in
the rest of the industry.

#########################################
Rebuttal – not presented to PA – but may be of interest to
readers of this board.

This is just propaganda, half truths, and sleaze weasel words.
I was going to delete it but thought it might be of interest.
Also notice how a good 50% of their response to our demand to
terminate the contract was a canned format about how wonderful
PA is.
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For those of you interested in the ongoing saga. Our attorney contacted them shortly after we received this letter. And we are not very patiently waiting for the battle to begin.

Oh – it’s not our nightmare – it’s PublishAmerica’s

Dee Power
www.BrianHillAndDeePower.com
 

Sher2

Re: Lets look at this

<Another tid bit of info, Mali does not have extradition laws with the US. So if Meiners did get convicted of fraud he could skip to Mali with all of the money and never be seen again.
This may not be true, but it is food for thought.>


I've forgotten more geography than I ever knew, so I'm not quite sure where Mali is. Interestingly enough, however, Google searches reveal that Meiners maintains residences in Amsterdam, Maryland, and Spain. There are reportedly PA offices in Amsterdam, Iceland, Great Britain, Maryland and, possibly, Spain. I also heard today that there "may" be another office in either Copenhagen or The Hague. This one, I haven't heard of; the others, I've seen addresses and phone numbers for.
 

James D Macdonald

Re: Second half of letter to terminate PublishAMerica

A couple of items popped out at me, Dee, reading this part of your letter:

PA says:

<Blockquote>
They [mass-market paperbacks] are often priced in the $6 to $9 range, and are mostly the books to which you are comparing yours. In our industry, comparing trade paperbacks with mass paperbacks is like comparing apples and oranges. The cheaper mass paperbacks sell significantly less, statistically, than the more expensive trade paperbacks. In fact, the rate of unsold copies that go back to the publisher for destruction is three times higher than the rate for the higher priced trade paperbacks.
</blockquote>

What PA doesn't mention, is that one of the main differences between trade and mass-market paperbacks is that mass-market paperbacks are strippable, while trade paperbacks are whole-copy returnable.

That's why more mass-market paperbacks are destroyed than trade paperbacks -- it's a difference in what happens when they don't sell: destroyed vs. returned.

This is without getting into rack-size trade paperbacks, which are exactly the same size as your usual mass-market paperbacks, but are whole-copy returnable rather than strippable.

As to the three times higher -- I don't know. They've muddled terms so completely that I'm convinced they don't know what they're talking about. Perhaps it means that there are three times as many mass-market books as trade books on the shelves. They're attempting to use percents and ratios, rather than hard numbers, to disguise the fact that the hard numbers tell against them.

As to the prices: Per <a href="http://www.bookwire.com/bookwire/BookProductionGraphs.html" target="_new">Bowker</a>, the list (cover) price for the average trade paperback in 2002 (latest stats available) was $15.77. Presumably PA titles are included in that average. The average PA title goes for $19.95, a bit over four dollars higher.

PA says:

<Blockquote>
A year or so ago, Writer's Digest did a detailed study of
a publishing contract that was almost identical to ours,
and gave it a clean bill of health.
</blockquote>

A contract that's "almost identical" isn't the same as "our contract." The detailed comments you've seen upstream on this thread about various clauses in the PA contract show that it most certainly doesn't get "a clean bill of health."

That's like saying "A group of veterinarians did a detailed study of an animal almost identical to your dog and gave it a clean bill of health." Well, great for that animal. How about my pet?
 

James D Macdonald

Re: 15 per day?

...each day an average 15 times a PublishAmerica author appears in the news media, in newspapers, magazines, radio or TV.

Sure, Dave, didn't you see Cops last night? The guy spread-eagled against the side of his car was a PA author....
 

lindylou45

PA's response letters

Isn't it amazing how alike all of PA's response lettes are? Do they think we're too stupid to be able to tell they are form letters. And if their authors are so happy, what need would one have for a form letter for disenchanted authors.

Every time I read something like this I have to shake my head and wonder how in the hell they think they can get away with this. Hopefully not for much longer.

I contacted the AG's Office today and was told it was better if each author filed a complaint in their home state as it is the top priority of any state's AG to handle the problems of their state's residents first. I'll be sending in my complaint form as soon as I get it and I'll be contacting the BBB as well.
 

James D Macdonald

Re: PublishAmerica contract, item 24

<a href="http://p197.ezboard.com/fabsolutewritefrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=209.topic&start=1181&stop=1200" target="_new">Paragraph 24</a> of the PA contract is so weird and out-of-place that I'm not certain we've found everything in it yet.

Let me combine it with the seven-year duration of the PA contract.

Now PA hasn't been in existence for seven years yet, so no one has gotten their books back through the simple expiration of the contract.

What I suspect PA's plan is, is this:

Somewhere during year six, PA will send a note to each author, saying words to the effect of "the public demand for the work is no longer sufficient to warrant its continued manufacture" and will then swing instantly into the 49-copies plan, wringing an extra thousand bucks out of all the authors on threat of losing their copyrights.

Rather than being just being something in place to keep authors from canceling their contracts prematurely, I think this "reversion" with author payments is a planned part of the lifecycle of every PA book, a nasty surprise waiting in the future for even the biggest PA supporters as their books reach a later part in their life cycle.
 

HapiSofi

Re: PublishAmerica contract, item 24

Jim said:
What I suspect PA's plan is, is this:

Somewhere during year six, PA will send a note to each author, saying words to the effect of "the public demand for the work is no longer sufficient to warrant its continued manufacture" and will then swing instantly into the 49-copies plan, wringing an extra thousand bucks out of all the authors on threat of losing their copyrights.

Rather than being just being something in place to keep authors from canceling their contracts prematurely, I think this "reversion" with author payments is a planned part of the lifecycle of every PA book, a nasty surprise waiting in the future for even the biggest PA supporters as their books reach a later part in their life cycle.
Interesting thought!

By year six (if not sooner) Rabbit's Friends and Relations will have bought all the copies they're going to buy, and promotional opportunities requiring Rabbit to have a couple of dozen copies on hand will be a thing of the past. PA's got little to lose if they jettison both author and title. Few of their authors will have the sense to ask why a POD (which need not print unless they have book orders in hand) operating out of a townhouse (which can't have warehousing space for thousands of authors' books) should have 49 copies of a book for which there's insufficient public demand.

If you told writers that you won't print their book unless they give you a thousand dollars, they'd instantly know you for a vanity publisher. If you tell them you're a "traditional publisher" who'll publish their book for free, they'll believe you -- until, a few years down the road, you tell them that unless they pay you a thousand dollars, you'll keep their copyright.

A further thought:

The best time for a dissatisfied PublishAmerica author to ask for a reversion of rights is right after PA has failed to ship some desperately needed multiple-copy order. Under those circumstances, they can hardly claim that they have a bunch of extra copies lying around the townhouse.
 

KW

Hmmmmm

"So you deny the fact that your company was Erica Books prior to
changing
>>it's name to Publish America when complaints began rolling in.
>
>You lose credibility by using words like "deny." Listen carefully:
>
>PublishAmerica has never changed it's name.
>PublishAmerica has always been PublishAmerica from day one.
>PublishAmerica has never had any credible "complaints rolling in."


Kinda ran around the question didn't they? For people reading this and wondering who is right, read below. I copied a few things from another board of authors who have dealt with Erica/America/PA.


"I was brought in at the last part of 2000 and my initial contact was Erica House although my contact was AmErica House and my contract was PA..... seems a long stretch, to me. I have been caught into that changing web all along and have wondered about the different price breaks and why they existed at all. One of the reasons that I signed my contract with AmErica House (as I was under the impression that was who I was going with) was because I had seen a book in one of the bookstores here in Reno by Erica House and it was (like you say) of good quality and seemed to be just like all the other books there. And that was who I thought I was signing with, although AmErica House was my actual contact company I thought that it was just an offshot company from Erica House, the non-religious part of the company."

" AmErica House was not a pay for POD, it is/was PA, and they never charged any money. Originally it was the next company-being to follow Erica House Publishers and I think that they (Erica House) were at one point a pay to print POD, but I did not find that out when I looked them up nor before I signed my contract. Erica House primarily printed religious/motivational/spiritual books. The AmErica House imprint-company has since evolved into PA and when it was AmErica House, they had the same no-charge to the author as they do now, and the same business model and operandi. AmErica House books are in the same price ranges as PA, but not the same as Erica House, perhaps the difference is the times, since Erica House was started in 96-97, I think. It (PA) has just become more workable for them this last two years. "

"Erica House was a vanity publisher (thousands of dollars for publication).

Erica Feberwee, who I think is Willem Meiners' wife, ran Erica Books, a "literary agency" that steered writers to Erica House. When I first started scam tracking in 1998, Erica House/Erica Books were on a lot of "beware" lists."

These came from the mindsight forum. It just goes to show that PA lied, once again, in their response. I guess they could say that PA never changed it's, that wouldn't be a lie, but Erica house, America House did change their name to PA. As you can see in their response they said "PA" never changed its name, but yet they failed to say that PA evolved from these others.

A play on words, nothing more. PA is getting good at this, if they ever decided to write a book and find a REAL publisher they could probably do well. Hell, they had me believeing them for awhile.

Kevin Yarbrough
 

priceless1

Whoa...

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Erica Feberwee, who I think is Willem Meiners' wife<hr></blockquote>

Meiners has a WIFE? Kevin, don't you remember meeting his girlfriend in Feb? Please, tell me he's at least divorced, okay?
 

KW

Yes Lynn

Yes Lynn, I remember. And I do believe, but don't quote me on this, that he is divorced. Maybe he let her go when he let Ericahouse go, who knows.

Maybe his girlfriend is one of the girls he used to have working for him since you know all those that work there are girls.

I just keep getting this picture of Meiners driving up in a 1966 Impala. The interior is covered in red, shag carpet and fuzzy dice hanging from the mirror. I can see him drinking out of a brown papr bag as he hits the switches and the cars starts blasting "Baby got back" as the car bounces. He parks up next to the townhouse, gets out, bends over and dusts off his wingtips. Smoothing his silk shirt he heads into the building singing "deep in the jeans she's wearing, I'm hooked and I can't stop staring.....uhmmmm, uhmmmmm....me love you long time. Wait a minute, wrong song."

Just another day in PimpAmerica...I mean PublishAmerica.

Kevin
 

NancyMehl

Re: RE:15 per day?

Lynn and Kevin,

What was Meiners girlfriend's name? Was it Lynn Comer - the infamous letter writer and hit woman??? Now THAT would be a team! LOL!

Nancy
 

KW

Could he?

"have any of you had problems with barnes and noble amazon or bamm getting orders filled i find out there is almost a 4 week delay in people getting my book and due to such my sales drop to nothing are any of you having the same problem?
william mcullars
author
the sins of america"

It seems that these places can't get the book, but yet in paragraph 3 of the contract it states...

"The publisher agrees to cause all copies of said literary work to be printed as the market demands, and agrees, furthermore, to cause the copies so printed to be bound, from time to time, in sufficent quantities to supply purchasers of the said literary work therewith."

Now if these places can't get it for four weeks, and the guy can prove t here is a demand for it, can he not get them for breach of this clause?

Maybe I should call up and order two thousand copies and tell them I need it in a week. See what happens.

Kevin
 

KW

LOL

Just got this from AST.

"Dear author,

The New York Times contacted us this week to propose a partnership. We are now working with The New York Times to bring a new era of marketing services to our authors.

It appears that our authors are being taken very seriously by the New York Times. We expect to outline the details of this partnership with the host of the one and only NYT Best-seller List for you soon, but for now we are so excited that we just want to celebrate the event with you.

It looks like we're entering a new level of publishing distinction!"

I can't wait to see how this works out. Is it going to be another Bly fiasco or what?

Kevin
 

DaveKuzminski

Re: LOL

The NYT is one outfit I'm not going to warn about PA. That way they'll be certain to sue when PA fails to uphold its part of any contracts.
 
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