Politician-ordered massacres in Mexico - new one uncovered today

Xelebes · Nov 9, 2014

Two weeks ago, the worst massacre ordered by a politician in 17 years rocked Mexico. When it was revealed that the mayor of Iguala, Guerrero ordered the death of 43 students at the local teacher college, it sparked protests. Tens of thousands turned out in Mexico City and burned the door to the presidential palace. Peña Nieto has condemned the protests today but another massacre has been shown to be ordered by politicians. 17 people were shot in San Baltazar Chichicapan, Oaxaca by the orders of the mayor, Carlos Vásquez Rebollar.

Video of Chichicapan (NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-huN7NKq8Rk

Iguala massacre: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico...demns-protest-over-missing-students-1.2829265

Monkey · Nov 9, 2014

My heart goes out to our neighbors across the border.

I really wish we could get our immigration crap figured out in such a way as to allow for more legal immigration. People need a way out of Mexico right now.

robeiae · Nov 10, 2014

Where was it revealed that the mayor--Pena Niet--ordered these deaths?

Is that a rumor or is it something that has actually been confirmed?

Xelebes · Nov 10, 2014

Pena Nieto is the Federal President not a municipal president (mayor.) Abarca is the mayor of Iguala who is implicated.

robeiae · Nov 10, 2014

My bad. I wrongly assumed the CBC link was about the implicated politician.

Kaiser-Kun · Nov 10, 2014

The thing has been a PR disaster since day one. They found a mass grave, so they declared that they found a lot of bodies, only not of the missing students. Then they've been discovering dozens of other mass graves.

Xelebes · Nov 10, 2014

Kaiser-Kun said:
The thing has been a PR disaster since day one. They found a mass grave, so they declared that they found a lot of bodies, only not of the missing students. Then they've been discovering dozens of other mass graves.

If you have the time, can you give a more complete picture what is happening there?

Kaiser-Kun · Nov 10, 2014

Sure. Teacher colleges in the country (nicknamed "Normales") have always been linked to subversive groups. After the massacre of Tlatelolco in 1968, which was also ordered by the government against students, these kind of groups have been much more passive, limiting themselves to protest marches and some picketing, so for the most part, the government lets them be.

On September 26, after three confrontations between civilian protesters and the armed forces in a little town called Ayotzinapa, three students were dead and 43 of them remain missing, most probably dead. Eventually it was uncovered that the mayor of Iguala, José Luis Abarca, ordered the armed forces to kidnap and murder the students.

Abarca and his wife are very closely linked to the drug cartels, which was known by pretty much everyone. The extreme response to the students' protest is standard cartel procedure.

Since then, multiple mass graves and executions sites with hundreds of corpses have been uncovered. As a whole, this case proves beyond all doubt that the rural towns in Mexico are under the cartels' rule.

veinglory · Nov 10, 2014

It speaks volumes that they are having trouble finding the specific mass grave these students are in.

Diana Hignutt · Nov 10, 2014

Well, that's just fucking dreadful.

backslashbaby · Nov 10, 2014

Kaiser-Kun said:
Sure. Teacher colleges in the country (nicknamed "Normales") have always been linked to subversive groups. After the massacre of Tlatelolco in 1968, which was also ordered by the government against students, these kind of groups have been much more passive, limiting themselves to protest marches and some picketing, so for the most part, the government lets them be.

On September 26, after three confrontations between civilian protesters and the armed forces in a little town called Ayotzinapa, three students were dead and 43 of them remain missing, most probably dead. Eventually it was uncovered that the mayor of Iguala, José Luis Abarca, ordered the armed forces to kidnap and murder the students.

Abarca and his wife are very closely linked to the drug cartels, which was known by pretty much everyone. The extreme response to the students' protest is standard cartel procedure.

Since then, multiple mass graves and executions sites with hundreds of corpses have been uncovered. As a whole, this case proves beyond all doubt that the rural towns in Mexico are under the cartels' rule.

So horrible

I knew many politicians were in with the cartels, but are these armed forces the military? Is the military pretty much in with the cartels, too? Or were these like a cartel's private army? That's a lot of questions, sorry.

Kaiser-Kun · Nov 10, 2014

backslashbaby said:
So horrible I knew many politicians were in with the cartels, but are these armed forces the military? Is the military pretty much in with the cartels, too? Or were these like a cartel's private army? That's a lot of questions, sorry.

The guys who did this specific massacre were a combination of army and cartel soldiers.

Hapax Legomenon · Nov 10, 2014

I'm confused as to why we haven't invaded Mexico yet.

Xelebes · Nov 10, 2014

Hapax Legomenon said:
I'm confused as to why we haven't invaded Mexico yet.

You did.

shakeysix · Nov 10, 2014

Because the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have gone so well? --s6

Haggis · Nov 10, 2014

Hapax Legomenon said:
I'm confused as to why we haven't invaded Mexico yet.

Because last time we did that they gave us Arizona?

raburrell · Nov 10, 2014

Diana Hignutt said:
Well, that's just fucking dreadful.

Covers it for me as well

Cyia · Nov 10, 2014

Kaiser-Kun said:
The guys who did this specific massacre were a combination of army and cartel soldiers.

Which is one of the reasons US military in certain "high risk" border areas were prohibited from crossing the border on leave, especially in uniform.

Someone being hurt by a drug-runner was one thing, but for one nation's uniformed military to injure or kill a member of another nation's uniformed military is the stuff international incidents are made of. There had been too many "scuffles" involving US Marines on their own time. (This was mostly in California, but El Paso can be bad, too. And then there's Del Rio and Boy's Town over in Nuevo Laredo...)

Kaiser-Kun · Nov 21, 2014

The protests over the insecurity in Mexico have been escalating to a level not seen in decades.

What's burning is an effigy of the president.

shakeysix · Nov 21, 2014

Some of my students say their families are cancelling holiday trips to Mexico because of the politics--s6

Xelebes · Dec 2, 2014

for those still following the story. Riots and protests are continuing in Mexico.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico...ent-massacre-of-43-student-teachers-1.2857356

Protesters smashed up shops and clashed with riot police in Mexico City on the second anniversary of Enrique Pena Nieto's presidency yesterday amid rising tensions over the abduction and apparent massacre of 43 trainee teachers.

Brandishing bats and fire bombs, masked protesters attacked banks and restaurants along the capital's iconic Reforma Boulevard, where thousands had gathered to demand justice for the missing students.

Kaiser-Kun · Dec 2, 2014

The violent anarchist-wannabe protesters are being denounced by everyone. Either they're government-backed, or just opportunists.

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