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"Despite the increasing domestication of men in this area, urinating while standing up is indeed still common practice," Hank said in the ruling.

"Someone who still practises this previously dominant custom is regularly confronted with significant disputes, particularly with female cohabitants. However normally he must not reckon with damage to the marble floor of a bathroom or guest toilet."

Is there some kind of war on stand-up peeing in Germany of which I am unaware?
 

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Is there some kind of war on stand-up peeing in Germany of which I am unaware?

I was wondering the same thing! "Domestication of men..."? Soooo peeing while standing is wild and animalistic? And all this time, I just thought it was efficient.
 

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Are men in Germany not allowed to touch the paper towels or something? Pee however you like, but clean up after yourself. It's kind of bizarre how they are talking about positioning and don't mention that rather obvious point :ROFL: Is he a bachelor? Is that why it isn't assumed he is able to clean around a toilet?
 

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My german bf pees either sitting down or while kneeling on one knee. I'm not really sure why. Something about less work?
 

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My german bf pees either sitting down or while kneeling on one knee. I'm not really sure why. Something about less work?

The first is the well-known sitzpinkel, but I'm having trouble even picturing the gymnastics of the second. How does that work? D:
 

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Is there some kind of war on stand-up peeing in Germany of which I am unaware?

Some kind of, indeed. I'll try to stay serious for long enough to explain.

Some time in the eighties or nineties, stand-up peeing was picked up by feminists as one of those annoying things to call guys out on. Fair enough, considering most of the men that warranted calling out on stuff weren't the ones who had to clean up the mess and most guys I know seem to have a case of Dunning-Kruger when it comes to their aiming abilities. Some guys didn't take that well, and soon there was a war between the fringes of feminism and extreme guyism or something, making it a matter of male pride for some men to stand or, if they were too chicken to do that, at least kneel.

Alternately, it may have started the other way round: Some anti-feminist guys mashed their frustration at not being able to stand in front of some people's toilets with their already-existing prejudice against feminism, resulting in the meme of feminists trying to control masculinity's last line of defense - and some of the feminists picked up on it.

Either way, both sides made it their mission to be very stubborn and ideological about the matter (or, as we call it, German), ruining it for the rest of us who just wanted clean toilets that were safe to sit on. Personally, I never understood why people were so determined to make it a War Of The Sexes thing. I mean, everybody has to sit down sometimes, right?

This new court decision wasn't about that, of course. It was about a landlord finding his (I think it was a he) bathroom floor in less than perfect condition, and a guy who apparently has failed to clean up after himself. I don't know why they made it about standing rather than cleaning, but that's how it played out.
 

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On one knee? How does that work? Is he really tall? Or very well hung?

He is very tall, actually. And I said to him it sounded like a method that is great for tall people but might not work for others?
 

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This new court decision wasn't about that, of course. It was about a landlord finding his (I think it was a he) bathroom floor in less than perfect condition, and a guy who apparently has failed to clean up after himself. I don't know why they made it about standing rather than cleaning, but that's how it played out.
Yeah, I think it's a little off.

If it's a rental and there is demonstrable damage to the floor from the actions of a tenant--due to urine or anything else--withholding a portion of the damage deposit strikes me as completely reasonable.

Just because someone prefers to stand when they pee, it doesn't mean they get a free pass because their aim sucks.

The court ruling was wrong imo. And stupidly wrong, at that.
 

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As with firearms, good aim is essential.
 

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I was wondering the same thing! "Domestication of men..."? Soooo peeing while standing is wild and animalistic? And all this time, I just thought it was efficient.
Actually, peeing standing up is "being a Real Man."
Some kind of, indeed. I'll try to stay serious for long enough to explain.

Some time in the eighties or nineties, stand-up peeing was picked up by feminists as one of those annoying things to call guys out on. Fair enough, considering most of the men that warranted calling out on stuff weren't the ones who had to clean up the mess and most guys I know seem to have a case of Dunning-Kruger when it comes to their aiming abilities. Some guys didn't take that well, and soon there was a war between the fringes of feminism and extreme guyism or something, making it a matter of male pride for some men to stand or, if they were too chicken to do that, at least kneel.
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I've heard about this in the USA, and it has to do with ...

Nah, I won't try to explain it, this preacher tells it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3o4nfiG7A
 

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The best solution to acid pee degrading your floors is obviously nice, plush, absorptive wall-to-wall bathroom carpet.
 

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Yeah, I think it's a little off.

If it's a rental and there is demonstrable damage to the floor from the actions of a tenant--due to urine or anything else--withholding a portion of the damage deposit strikes me as completely reasonable.

Just because someone prefers to stand when they pee, it doesn't mean they get a free pass because their aim sucks.

The court ruling was wrong imo. And stupidly wrong, at that.

On the other hand, another lesson might be "don't use marble floors in the bathroom." Pretty clearly a design flaw.
 

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Oh my! Us Godless Germans...

:D Ancient history, but when I was in Germany in the early '60s, both men and women peed shamelessly beside the roadway. Some waved.

Of course, I was stationed at a flugplatz in the sticks near the farming community of Göppingen.
 

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On the other hand, another lesson might be "don't use marble floors in the bathroom." Pretty clearly a design flaw.

Marble used as flooring anywhere is a stupid idea. It's pretty at first, but horribly susceptible to damage from any form of acidic liquid, which can include many cleansers. Spilled orange juice could mar it.

caw
 

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On the other hand, another lesson might be "don't use marble floors in the bathroom." Pretty clearly a design flaw.

Marble used as flooring anywhere is a stupid idea. It's pretty at first, but horribly susceptible to damage from any form of acidic liquid, which can include many cleansers. Spilled orange juice could mar it.

caw

That may be--I have a marble floor in a half-bath though (there when we bought the place 12 years ago) and it doesn't have any stains or damage--but one could say that about a lot of choices. And of course, these kinds of things aren't all that expensive.

Again, renters put down damage deposits to cover damage for which they can be held responsible. I'm not seeing how this case doesn't fit that mold.

Having said that, if the judge really thought renters shouldn't be responsible for peeing on floors, he should have just said that and left the anthropological issues alone imo.