Politically correct erotica?

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I'm a little puzzled and somewhat amused at the various rules, as well as play-it-ultra-safe attitude.

Are we not "allowed" to have flawed characters?

I've read plenty of erotica on Kindle and in print that would be banned in this forum. Scripts from some episodes of the Soprano's or other pay-cable shows wouldn't be allowed here. Does anyone else see the irony of erotica police?
 
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A lot of the 'rules' you see in here have evolved over the years, as the site owner and mods have worked out what seems to move discussions forward - and what tends to derail them. A lot is simple, basic respect for your fellow human beings.

Some of the rules are merely reflections of the erotic romance e-pub industry, as separate from the Wild-West behavior of the Kindle Erotica boards (and self-publishers). The Kindle Erotica folk appear to be a similar group to the fearless and funky authors I read on Nifty.org a decade or two ago: some of it was great, some was awful, some should have stayed in the heads of the potential serial killers who wrote it. But some stories were sublime (thank you, Elf Sternberg!)

I've also read stuff in mainstream science fiction and fantasy from 30 years ago that would never fit today's house rules of say, Samhain, Loose, Id, or Siren. Most E-rom publishers' house rules are there because that's what their readership wants and will reward. A few years back, you would have seen very little crossover between SFF readers and erotic romance readers, with strong aversions on either side. More of us in either category are reading and writing back-and-forth now, so it will be interesting to watch SFF become more graphic and erotic romance follow the trend toward more complex and plotty books.

Part of the house rules conumdrum comes from the interplay between the erotic romance readerships and mainstream public opinion. Both the examples of 'Fifty Shades' and 'Dinoporn' show that entire genre categories can rise and fall on the reputations of a few (infamous) examples.

More than mainstream SFF publishers, e-rom publishers need to exist within a window of public and corporate goodwill, or risk negative exposure and loss of vendor payment services. Those publishers may come across as oddly more conservative in some things, compared to aspects of the Big Five mainstream publishers.

The AW Erotica Forum can't and doesn't speak for the entire erotic romance or erotica industries. It's a social group built among many different writers and readers, who seem to form a fairly good cross section of two specific and separate genres.

From what I've seen as a spectator, we're open to discussions and evaluations of those rules. But like any craft, it helps to know the rules first and why they came about.
 

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I think you might be missing that there are no rules, only markets. If you want to sell to a certain market you have to know what they do and do not want. And there is a market for the most extreme taboo you want to write, it just might not be a very big one.
 

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If you're talking about AW, do remember that AW is open to those 13 and up. This part of the Erotica forum is open and readbale to all AW members and to the public.

There's an NC-17 section and a SYW section that is password protected. Things there are less restricted there because minors aren't going to come across what's written in that section.
 

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Well yes,this is a public forum. They regulate what can be in the open and age-verified areas for legal reasons. The age-verified area only limits activity that is illegal in the US or is subject to copyright.

That's not anything at all related to being "banned" for puritanical or some other philosophical reasons. That's just legal compliance.
 

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I'm a little puzzled and somewhat amused at the various rules, as well as play-it-ultra-safe attitude.

Are we not "allowed" to have flawed characters?

I've read plenty of erotica on Kindle and in print that would be banned in this forum. Scripts from some episodes of the Soprano's or other pay-cable shows wouldn't be allowed here. Does anyone else see the irony of erotica police?
It would help if you linked to which rules you are talking about.
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It would help if you linked to which rules you are talking about.
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This! Is it the fact that all explicit material is behind walls because it's a family forum? Is it some other rule or social convention that you're having trouble with? As far as I'm able to tell from having lurked around this section since coming to AW, there's nothing that should cause your concern with political correctness taking over or anything of the sort.
 

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Adding my vote to those asking for clarification. OP, going by the responses you've gotten so far, there's some confusion as to whether you're referring to the rules of *this forum* or the rules of the publishing industry... And as to what rules specifically you're talking about.

"Flawed characters" definitely exist in published erotica and erotic romance. I have a male/male novel out in which both guys are survivors of sexual abuse; one is a recovering alcoholic, and the other is addicted to prescription painkillers. They're pretty dang flawed.

But if by "flawed" you mean murderers, rapists, and people who take joy in either destroying or taking other people's lives... yeah. That isn't going to appeal to the mainstream erotic romance audience, nor to publishers. You'll find stories like that self-published on Amazon, and for all I know there are not-so-mainstream publishers that would take it. But in general--and particularly with erotic *romance*, which has to follow romance genre conventions whereas erotica does not--characters like that aren't going to be present in what the publishers are putting out.

That isn't about political correctness. It's about publishing what readers want to read and will pay for, as well as staying within the bounds of what's legal and acceptable in that type of fiction. Self-publishers have a bit more freedom with that; publishers tend to play it a little safer because they're not interested in taking a risk with laws and such. It would be a bad business decision.
 

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Is disabled erotica politically correct? Interested in hearing thoughts. Thanks! x0x0
 

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There are disabled people who enjoy sex. There's nothing politically correct or incorrect about a portrayal of sex involving disabled character(s), so long as you get it right.

That means proper character development, accurate inner monologue, no disability-shaming, like that.