Thanksgiving for Brits

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Seriously, you really need this holiday. I lived in the U.K. for several years, and there were bank holidays every time you woke up, it seemed. EXCEPT for the autumn interregnum. The U.S. holiday of Thanksgiving falls exactly in that vacant space, and it really is the best holiday of any on the U.S. calendar.

Yes, I know, it was invented as a consequence of the rebellious pilgrims emigrating to the newly-found continent and all of that. But it really is the best family-oriented holiday of the year. And a HUGE part of that is the major Thanksgiving meal.

I had the fabulous good fortune of developing a close family friendship with a British ex-pat couple stationed in California. It was initially professional (the guy was my boss), but became very close. A few years later, he got posted back to the U.K. (Scotland, Edinburgh), but then I got posted there, too. By which time he had taken another job. But we stayed in touch, I visited them several times, and they had not only adopted the U.S. holiday as a privately-celebrated occasion, but his wife was an avid gardener, and loved to grow traditional Thanksgiving vegetable fare, such as squash and pumpkins.

I was always baffled by the British aversion to winter squashes, as they are cooked and eaten in the U.S. They are ridiculously simple to cook, in a variety of flavorful ways, and I can provide several recipes I use with regularity.

We celebrated three Thanksgiving holidays there, as I recall, with all the standard food dishes (Turkey, of course, with stuffing, winter squash, sweet potatoes, bean casseroles, cranberries, cornbread, pumpkin pie).

Oh, yeah, and some of that very fine beverage the Scottish are so good at distilling.

Thanksgiving in America remains the harvest holiday, to be enjoyed with family and good food.

And a couple of football games on the telly.

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Thanksgiving was always my favourite of the US holidays and I miss it. I have, at least, managed to find Libby's Pumpkin pie filling, so I'll make a pie for Christmas dinner. I can now also buy French's onions here so I can make green bean casserole. But it's not the same as being with family on the day.

I think it would be lovely to have something similar here in November, in spite of what some people clearly think.
 

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I think having an occasion there makes it feel like one should be there. But before I came to the US I felt no lack of autumnal celebrations. And as for squash, I think Americans are conditioned to like the taste from an early age (including putting sugar and marshmallows in it).

Thanksgiving is great and I like celebrating it here in the US a whole lot, where it makes cultural sense. Just like Guy Fawkes night in the UK, or any other great national day in that nation. It is not just about having something to do, it is about celebrating the history and culture of that place.
 
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The British do holidays so well - Christmas crackers, flaming pud, boxing day, poppies instead of just mattress sales - why foist that mess on them?

Fighting and a giant dead bird is not my idea of a good time.
 

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We eat ours at Christmas, Haggis. But you can have my share as I'm veggie.

We also do all our family feuding at Christmas so we've got that covered as well.
 

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We eat ours at Christmas, Haggis. But you can have my share as I'm veggie.

We also do all our family feuding at Christmas so we've got that covered as well.

There are Christmas feuds, but Thanksgiving is pretty much all about the feuds. I've never met anyone who does family Thanksgivings who doesn't have multiple feud/fight stories, whether it's about hosting and who makes what, who's coming, or the general family fights that erupt. People who don't know each other gather to fight over whether stores should be open, and then gather in the stores themselves to fight over $10 coffee makers. It's not a fun holiday. No gifting, nothing to do unless you go to someone's house or have people over to eat (there aren't Thanksgiving concerts or events or etc.), it's just bleh.
 

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Thanksgiving is pretty much all about the feuds.

Brilliant material for writers, though ;)

ETA: Speaking of gratitude, the English preacher (Anglican, I think) who came out to Australia with the First Fleet, in a purely official capacity of course, had the least-scurvied convicts build him a church by hand, encouraged by prayer and some diligent flogging - and then hauled them in for the first Sunday Mass on the text of "For what we have received may we be truly grateful"

Fairly ungratefully, his shiny new church was burnt down that night.

ETA 2: We could celebrate that as an un-Thanksgiving. Which would be good, because the First Australians could join in as well. They've always been iffy about Jan 26.
 
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Brilliant material for writers, though ;)

Jodie Foster directed a brilliant movie called Home for the Holidays, about Thanksgiving, that came from a short story. If you've not seen it, do. It encapsulates the misery of Thanksgiving well.
 

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on the text of "For what we have received may we be truly grateful"

Fairly ungratefully, his shiny new church was burnt down that night.

:ROFL: That's brilliant! And shows the difference between who went where.......
 
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There are Christmas feuds, but Thanksgiving is pretty much all about the feuds. I've never met anyone who does family Thanksgivings who doesn't have multiple feud/fight stories, whether it's about hosting and who makes what, who's coming, or the general family fights that erupt.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there have never been any feuds or fights amongst my relatives over turkey day (or any other holiday, for that matter).

I took on Thanksgiving as my holiday with my relatives the second year hubby and I were married. At that time there were 5 of us, me, hubby, Mom, Dad, and brother. Over the years others were added, grandparents, aunts/uncles, close friends, nieces/nephews, nieces/nephews spouses/kids. And some were lost to old age and are with us in spirit.

One time about 20 years ago my SIL called me, laughing so hard she could hardly talk. She had mentioned to the kids going to the "Mertz's" (I Love Lucy reference) and the youngest two or three of the kids were in tears. Aren't we going to Uncle Fred and Aunt Ethel's house? She had to explain that Uncle Fred and Aunt Ethel *were* the Mertzs. The kids had no idea what our last name was.

They all still come most years, the count goes down to 12 or up to 25 depending on who has obligations with assorted in-laws. Because we have lovely weather here in central AZ, a double croquet field is set up in the back yard. And a grand time is had by all.

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Well lucky you! But that doesn't disprove Cornflake's premise about the misery inflicted on other families by Thanksgiving.

But it's nice to know someone has a good time.
 

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If there are families fighting at Thanksgiving, I guarantee they'd be fighting at any other family-centered holiday. It's the family that makes the fight, not the holiday.

For the record, my family never fights at Thanksgiving, there are no tales of ancient family feuds relived, and all my memories of family gatherings at Thanksgiving are happy ones. When I lived far from family, I had pleasant Thanksgivings with friends. No fights there either.

And it's the one holiday that hasn't been commercialized. Christmas shopping frenzy has been bleeding into Thanksgiving season for a while, which is regrettable, but Thanksgiving itself is still all about family and friends and sociability, not the pressure to buy buy buy that has infected pretty much every other holiday. (Unless you're a supermarket, since the meal is the main event.)

I'm sorry Cornflake hates it so much. But I think that's a minority perspective.
 
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Thank you, MaryMumsy and benbenberi! I agree, my family doesn't fight at Thanksgiving either. We're not a perfect family, we've got our fair share of issues, but that doesn't mean we can't still enjoy celebrating together! Most of my friends really look forward to celebrating with their families, too!

I lived in the UK for the last 3 Thanksgivings and my British friends started throwing a Thanksgiving dinner for a couple other Americans and I because they liked the idea so much. We always had an awesome time. The Brits loved everything but the pumpkin pie!

This year, my British in-laws are coming to visit us in the US for Thanksgiving. They want to see what all the fuss is about!
 

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Hey, if there exist families that never fight, more power to you. I've never met people like this, to my knowledge, heh, but I've never met a white tiger either, yet believe they exist.

I'm not saying everyone I know has cage fights every holiday, but I don't know anyone (of whom I'd know this about), whose Thanksgivings were fight-free in perpetuity.

In general, I think the whole Black Friday/Thursday thing could be considered commercializing it but...

Thank you, MaryMumsy and benbenberi! I agree, my family doesn't fight at Thanksgiving either. We're not a perfect family, we've got our fair share of issues, but that doesn't mean we can't still enjoy celebrating together! Most of my friends really look forward to celebrating with their families, too!

Honestly, I get people enjoy getting together with family and eating a turkey, but 'celebrating?' What's anyone celebrating?

I don't debate I'm in the minority, but I don't think it's as small as you might imagine.

Christmas crackers ftw. ;)
 

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I lived in the UK for the last 3 Thanksgivings and my British friends started throwing a Thanksgiving dinner for a couple other Americans and I because they liked the idea so much. We always had an awesome time. The Brits loved everything but the pumpkin pie!

This year, my British in-laws are coming to visit us in the US for Thanksgiving. They want to see what all the fuss is about!

I LOVE doing Thanksgiving here in the UK. All the stores are open, no crowds, it feels really homey and special... it's the only holiday I absolutely enjoy more here than in the US.

We've had a couple of Brit friends to celebrate with us over the years. They too loved everything, including the pumpkin pie. The best moment was when a friend of our kept telling us he didn't understand how pumpkin could be a dessert. Pumpkin is savory, he said.

So I cut him a piece of pie and gave him a dollop of whipped cream. The dubious look on his face was hilarious.

He took a bite, swallowed, and said, with this big smile, "Oh, NOW I understand."

I think he had that plate cleaned in under two minutes. :)

And my husband's work colleagues--especially his boss--start asking every year at the beginning of November if I'll be baking pumpkin pies this year, and if so, when. They jump on my pumpkin treats (cakes, muffins, breads, cookies) like starving wolves. It's a lot of fun. :)


I'm not saying everyone I know has cage fights every holiday, but I don't know anyone (of whom I'd know this about), whose Thanksgivings were fight-free in perpetuity.

Honestly, I get people enjoy getting together with family and eating a turkey, but 'celebrating?' What's anyone celebrating?

We've never had a lot of drama and fighting at Thanksgiving; we've had a few that weren't delightful start to finish, but in general they've been pretty good.

And we're celebrating freedom and independence, and being glad for what we have and can have. :) We feast to celebrate our families and/or friends, and the fact that there is food on the table and a roof over our heads, and that we love others and are loved in return.

Personally I think it's nice that there's a day where you're supposed to be thankful for what you have, even if it's followed immediately by a "We need STUUUFFFF!" commercialism orgy. :D
 

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I LOVE doing Thanksgiving here in the UK. All the stores are open, no crowds, it feels really homey and special... it's the only holiday I absolutely enjoy more here than in the US.

We've had a couple of Brit friends to celebrate with us over the years. They too loved everything, including the pumpkin pie. The best moment was when a friend of our kept telling us he didn't understand how pumpkin could be a dessert. Pumpkin is savory, he said.

So I cut him a piece of pie and gave him a dollop of whipped cream. The dubious look on his face was hilarious.

He took a bite, swallowed, and said, with this big smile, "Oh, NOW I understand."

I think he had that plate cleaned in under two minutes. :)

And my husband's work colleagues--especially his boss--start asking every year at the beginning of November if I'll be baking pumpkin pies this year, and if so, when. They jump on my pumpkin treats (cakes, muffins, breads, cookies) like starving wolves. It's a lot of fun. :)




We've never had a lot of drama and fighting at Thanksgiving; we've had a few that weren't delightful start to finish, but in general they've been pretty good.

And we're celebrating freedom and independence, and being glad for what we have and can have. :) We feast to celebrate our families and/or friends, and the fact that there is food on the table and a roof over our heads, and that we love others and are loved in return.

Personally I think it's nice that there's a day where you're supposed to be thankful for what you have, even if it's followed immediately by a "We need STUUUFFFF!" commercialism orgy. :D

Ah, but the Commonwealth rolls the commercial orgy, the family fights, and the Roman-style gorging all into the one Xmas break. More economical that way. If you have a mixed family, you can even spread the mayhem over 3 or 4 whole days.
 

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And it's not our holiday. It means nothing to us unless we have American friends who invite us round for free food and alcohol. But trust me, that's a tiny minority of Brits. Most of us just don't think about it. Any more than Americans celebrate Guy Fawkes Day.
 

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Yeah November's a bit full as it is, what with Guy Fawkes night (nothing like baked spuds done in the fire! Nom nom), Remembrance parades and St Andrews on the 30th (Haggis! Nom nom nom. Not the dog Haggis -- too many bones -- but proper haggis! With neeps and tatties!). And turkey is OK once a year -- we often don't even have it at Christmas as almost no one likes it in the family -- but twice in a month seems a bit much. You'd only just be finishing up the leftovers when Christmas starts...

But if someone else is cooking....:D

And bank holidays are always nice.

PS as Not Christians we celebrate a different festival, but on Christmas Day as that's when the bank holiday is!
 
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Yeah November's a bit full as it is, what with Guy Fawkes night (nothing like baked spuds done in the fire! Nom nom), Remembrance parades and St Andrews on the 30th (Haggis! Nom nom nom. Not the dog Haggis -- too many bones -- but proper haggis! With neeps and tatties!). And turkey is OK once a year -- we often don't even have it at Christmas as almost no one likes it in the family -- but twice in a month seems a bit much. You'd only just be finishing up the leftovers when Christmas starts...

But if someone else is cooking....:D

And bank holidays are always nice.

As if there's such a thing as improper haggis.