My male friend wants to write 'adultery erotica' as he called it

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Talking to a good friend at the pub about the ups and downs of being a romance writer he told me he wants to write 'adultery erotica' and asked me if there's a market. Is there such a thing as 'adultery erotica'? I have no idea since it's not something I'm interested in (not making judgements, here, just saying it's not my cuppa). Basically, he wants to write these stories from male POV, with -ahem- none of the "romance crap" we women write, and loads of nookie. Simply put, hetero stories about married/in relationship guys doing it with the nanny, secretary, sis-in-law...whoever (with or without wife/partner consent).

Any advice I can pass on? I told him I think women wouldn't be interested, but he's s positive men would buy his stories. Is he best to write and then self-pub? I think he wants to earn extra income.
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Isn't that more the kind of thing you find in men's porno magazines rather than erotic lit? So there is a market, just maybe not where he thinks it is?
 

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Men's 'porno' magazines that take prose represent a kind of erotica and they still represent a paying market. Many a writer has paid their bills writing first person confessions.

IMHO 'adultery' alone doesn't tell me what the source of emotional satisfaction is in the scenario. There are various relevant niches including cheating wives, revenge adultery, reconciliation. They are a smallish niche on kindle.

I would suggest helping him work out the emotional core of the stories (yes, even porn stories tend to satisfy some emotional impulse to break rules, punish wrong doers etc), Literotica helps show what themes have some popularity. if he is writing 'cheating husband' that seems to be one of the smaller niches probably because it is not seen as terribly transgressive and is male focused/hetero.
 
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IMHO 'adultery' alone doesn't tell me what the source of emotional satisfaction is in the scenario. There are various relevant niches including cheating wives, revenge adultery, reconciliation. They are a smallish niche on kindle.

I would suggest helping him work out the emotional core of the stories (yes, even porn stories tend to satisfy some emotional impulse to break rules, punish wrong doers etc), Literotica helps show what themes have some popularity. if he is writing 'cheating husband' that seems to be one of the smaller niches probably because it is not seen as terribly transgressive and is male focused/hetero.

Sounds like good advice to me. I'm seeing him next week and will let him know. I looked up Literotica website (wow, they have all sorts of stuff on there). I did tell him that readers--and I think men are included but hey, maybe I'm wrong--want an *emotionally* satisfying read even if it's mainly sex based. And I mentioned adultery is frowned on. I know 'cause I asked this question here on AW, and then asked several e-publishers about one-off incidence of adultery in a historical I wrote a while back. Thanks for the info, I'll pass it on.
 
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Most erotica has a flip side, those that avoid the taboo and those that get off on it. And then there are humilation based stories where the trangressor is sexually 'punished' possibly leading to reconciliation. On this site most people are more in erotic romance, and many of those guidelines do not apply to erotica in general.
 

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Basically there is a lot of what they call domestic life literary fiction with infidelity themes. It may or may not be explicit in parts.
 

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Basically there is a lot of what they call domestic life literary fiction with infidelity themes. It may or may not be explicit in parts.

Hmmm, I don't *think* this is what he wants to write. And come to think of it I saw somewhere that Paolo Coelho's new book is about adultery. Or something. But my friend, as far as I could make out, wants to write raunchy stuff with guys playing away from home. Not literary, but I'll put it to him. He used to be a freelance journalist as a first career before he worked for 25 years in marketing, but approaching retirement he's looking to earn some extra income. Thanks all.
 

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Perhaps he should look into male-oriented magazines looking for erotic fiction to include as part of their magazine. May get him more gigs that way and help him build an audience. I don't know if going the self-published route is the right way to go in this case.
 

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I know of a writer or two who write cuckold erotica and they have indicated that it's a niche thing and not one of their good sellers.

But with erotica, there's an audience for pretty much everything.
 

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I know of a writer or two who write cuckold erotica and they have indicated that it's a niche thing and not one of their good sellers.

But with erotica, there's an audience for pretty much everything.

I've written some cuckolding stories on spec before for freelancing clients, and from what I've seen, it's quite a different kink than what the OP's friend is talking about. More about being forced to watch your partner play while you do the dishes and what-not than stepping out.

Definitely agree that it's more of a niche thing. It was something I was always contacted about privately in a kind of hush-hush way that made me giggle.
 

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I know a married man who writes erotica stories about adultery, and makes some money selling them to online mags too, but his are mostly about women committing adultery. I think there's more acceptance of that in erotica, because it's almost a variation of the good girl gone bad trope. Both women and men are interested in reading about naughty housewives getting up to no good it seems (just think about all those dodgy 70s porn films about women getting rogered by the milkman or the window cleaner while the husband is out) but I think when a man plays away it's far more frowned upon, especially by women who I assume make up the majority of the erotica readership.

I'm sure there are male only markets out there, but I think they're much smaller.
 
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Talking to a good friend at the pub about the ups and downs of being a romance writer he told me he wants to write 'adultery erotica' and asked me if there's a market. Is there such a thing as 'adultery erotica'?

Of course, there's adultery in erotica. It's very common, but it's generally an element rather than a major theme. Even so, a guy who went around screwing women (or the converse) because they're married would be another matter.

And yes, there would be a market. If there's a market for people pissing on one another, or beating each other with whips, there are certainly people, of either sex, that are turned on by the act of adultery itself.

How big would the market be? No idea.

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Thanks for the input! We had another pint or three last weekend, and my friend is determined to write his adultery kink stories and see what happens. I passed on the info about looking for male-only markets, and that most erotica readers are women and won't like the 'man commits adultery aspect' (maybe?). He's on board with that, though he thinks he might be better with self-pubbing. Thanks again, AWers!
 

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Talking to a good friend at the pub about the ups and downs of being a romance writer he told me he wants to write 'adultery erotica' and asked me if there's a market.

There's a market for everything.

Point out to your friend the novel by Walter Mosley, 'Killing Johnny Fry'. Although it's labeled 'literary' on the back cover, it's full of scenes of adulterous sex, voyeurism, flying semen, and general sleaze.
 

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LOOOOOL! Flying semen? What, with wings? Oh, God, the imagery! *must stop laughing*. I'll mention it. Actually, I'll go and check out this book because I find it odd, from your description, that it would be labelled 'literary'. But hey, what do I know?