glutton, I realize that you think you're being very clear. Unfortunately, it's not coming across as clear to most of the people reading. So while I can see that this is very frustrating to you, I'd hope that you can appreciate that other people are getting frustrated too. Not out of any sort of desire to take things off topic, or to thwart you, but because it's just not making sense.
From my perspective, it reads a bit as if you came in and said, "How long is a piece of string? Say, if it's long enough to wind around a ball."
And people went, "Well, what kind of ball are we talking? Soccer ball, baseball?"
And you said, "How about if it's a blue ball that the string is going around? And it's a string made of nylon."
People said, "It would depend on the size of the ball. Are you winding it around just once? Are we talking basketballs here?"
And you said, "No, I mean, sports balls in general! And the string is three ply!"
We're talking past each other, here. You're asking people to define something very specific based on very specific information you're giving, but it's not the sort of information that lets us come up with a useful specific response. So you keep giving more information, and getting an answer of "It depends!" because you're giving us MORE information, but not USEFUL information.
And then everyone ends up frustrated.