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New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
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First, thanks for your time.
Which is correct and why? 1 - She yelled she had more names. 2 - She yelled that she had more names. This is in summary so I don't want a dialog here. Many thanks! |
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The Beast I Worship.
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New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
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Thanks will. Why? <I am learning>
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The Beast I Worship.
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She yelled she
Almost sounds redundant. If just doesn't sound right. While technically proper, doesn't sound good to the ear and is confusing to the reader. She yelled that she Gives just enough fill to allow the reader to understand the context of the situation.
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I agree with Will on this one. In most cases, you can omit that, but this is not one of them. It just sounds weird.
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That hairy-handed gent
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Yes, this is an example in which the use of "that" is necessary, for simple clarity. It is, after all, a real English word, and has its uses.
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Shouting from the Rooftops
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With the example you gave, it is okay to drop the 'that'. Reason being,
It is far easier for the reader to infer 'that' has been dropped when you have co-subject material in both main and that clause (like in yours: She yelled she), e.g., You said you loved me v you said that you loved me With yours: She yelled she had some names v she yelled that she she had some name I have to admit that second is better on the ear, but I think that's more down to the choice of verb: She said she had more names v She yelled she had more names Said seems to work better without 'that' than yelled, but that is just my personal choice here. She yelled that she had some names. You can also drop 'that' when they aren't co-subject She said I could go (She said that I could go) Other instances where 'that' is seen to be retained: Passive voice: She was informed that he had died When there's a noun between verb and that-clause: she warned him that he could die that-clauses (as coordinator): The impeding danger to both sides is that one... two... etc When there's paranetheicla material: Perhaps we should assume, all things considered, that this isn't going to go away.
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A native speaker would easily make sense of the "not that" sentence, but the construction seems awkward, so I would vote to use "that", even though it makes it sound a bit stiff.
Maybe it would be better to rewrite the sentence entirely. |
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For this sentence, "that" does belong, but the sentence still feels pretty off. Who did she yell to? |
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