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Old 06-26-2012, 07:46 PM   #1
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antecedent question

First, thanks for your time.

Which is correct and why?

1 - She yelled she had more names.

2 - She yelled that she had more names.

This is in summary so I don't want a dialog here.

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Old 06-26-2012, 08:18 PM   #2
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:20 PM   #3
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:04 AM   #4
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She yelled she

Almost sounds redundant. If just doesn't sound right.
While technically proper, doesn't sound good to the ear and is confusing to the reader.

She yelled that she

Gives just enough fill to allow the reader to understand the context of the situation.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:18 AM   #5
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I agree with Will on this one. In most cases, you can omit that, but this is not one of them. It just sounds weird.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:34 AM   #6
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Yes, this is an example in which the use of "that" is necessary, for simple clarity. It is, after all, a real English word, and has its uses.

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Old 06-27-2012, 02:06 PM   #7
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With the example you gave, it is okay to drop the 'that'. Reason being,
It is far easier for the reader to infer 'that' has been dropped when you have co-subject material in both main and that clause (like in yours: She yelled she), e.g.,

You said you loved me v you said that you loved me

With yours:

She yelled she had some names v she yelled that she she had some name

I have to admit that second is better on the ear, but I think that's more down to the choice of verb:

She said she had more names v She yelled she had more names

Said seems to work better without 'that' than yelled, but that is just my personal choice here.

She yelled that she had some names.

You can also drop 'that' when they aren't co-subject

She said I could go (She said that I could go)



Other instances where 'that' is seen to be retained:

Passive voice: She was informed that he had died

When there's a noun between verb and that-clause: she warned him that he could die

that-clauses (as coordinator): The impeding danger to both sides is that one... two... etc

When there's paranetheicla material: Perhaps we should assume, all things considered, that this isn't going to go away.
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A native speaker would easily make sense of the "not that" sentence, but the construction seems awkward, so I would vote to use "that", even though it makes it sound a bit stiff.

Maybe it would be better to rewrite the sentence entirely.
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This is in summary so I don't want a dialog here.
Really, when you put out a question, there's bound to be some dialogue going on.

For this sentence, "that" does belong, but the sentence still feels pretty off. Who did she yell to?
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