*Trigger Warning* Campaign to put Jane Austen on UK currency inspires rape and death threats

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Crack down on what, exactly? Private forums do what private forums do. That's one thing.

But should government intervene when someone's being an ass? I understand that in this case, the guy made an actual, physical threat. But that's already actionable.

Recall the recent case out of Texas where a 19-year-old was charged with making terrorist threats?

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So I'm not disagreeing with you. Just not sure what crackdown you're advocating.

Don't want to put words in Alpha's mouth, but personally, I'd just like to see a crackdown on vile, misogynistic threats aimed at women, revenge porn, and the like. Not jokes in poor taste.

Along with the anonymity factor, drugs and alcohol play a part in loosening inhibitions about what people put online. Just a couple of weeks ago, my DH who moderates a Facebook forum decided to put a stop to someone who was drunk posting on his forum and intimidating the female members. A polite request to stop quickly escalated to insults, threats, and mild cyberstalking that evening.

Whut? I understand wishing that one's computer screen came with a breathalyzer, and I've said my share of utterly stupid and somewhat aggressive things online while under the influence, but threatening people?! Gah.

When caught in the act, the perpetrators inevitably begin whining about their "right to free speech" being violated
%#$@. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences from speech.
 
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i'd say all threats that meet the legal definition, against either sex, should be prosecuted.
 

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Don't want to put words in Alpha's mouth, but personally, I'd just like to see a crackdown on vile, misogynistic threats aimed at women, revenge porn, and the like. Not jokes in poor taste.

Yes! Sorry...missed that other comment to my post. Thank you! :)
 

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i'd say all threats that meet the legal definition, against either sex, should be prosecuted.

I have a bit of a problem with the legal definition (RE: the 19-year-old in my sample link).

But the concept I completely agree with.
 

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Story update

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-29034943
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/stella-creasy-rape-threats-a-joke

District Judge Elizabeth Roscoe of the City of London Magistrates' Court found Peter Nunn of Bristol guilty of bombarding Labour MP Stella Creasy with indecent, obscene, and threatening Twitters after Ms. Creasy championed depicting Jane Austen on a British bank note so that a single image of a woman who was not the queen would be depicted somewhere on British money.

In one tweet he joked about how to rape a witch by drowning her and then attacking when she was half-dead. He defended the joke as "really, really funny." Mr. Nunn advised Ms. Creasy to take rape threats as compliments.

Mr. Nunn denied the charges and claimed his tweets were satire.

He also claimed that critics of his tweets were radical feminists who "hate people" and that Twitter violated his right to free speech by shutting down his account.
 

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While it should not have made the slightest bit of difference, I can't help feeling a little glow of satisfaction that the case came up before a female judge.
 

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Law of large numbers. In an open access system with millions of folk signed up to it, you will always get the nasty attention seeking numpty. The proportion of dullards is vanishingly small in percentage terms. I prefer to try and think of the millions who say nothing or comment positively. But that doesn't get the headlines and never will.

That's not the law of large numbers.
 

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"In probability theory, the law of large numbers (LLN) is a theorem that describes the result of performing the same experiment a large number of times. According to the law, the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials should be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed."

Each person is a trial, a certain proportion of the people will be nasty attention seeking numpties... continue performing the trial, millions of persons, then the probability of reaching the expected value of attention seeking numpties increases.

Even if you disagree with that, I felt the content of my words was reasonably clear.
 

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Each person is a trial, a certain proportion of the people will be nasty attention seeking numpties... continue performing the trial, millions of persons, then the probability of reaching the expected value of attention seeking numpties increases.

That's not how expected value works.

Unless you think the "average" person is an attention seeking numptie, I suppose.

You just want to say that the probability of observing a certain outcome (at all) increases as the sample size increases.

Which is true, but it's not what the law of large numbers says.

(I'm just being charmingly pedantic.)
 
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While it should not have made the slightest bit of difference, I can't help feeling a little glow of satisfaction that the case came up before a female judge.


Wow. That little irony didn't strike me right away. It had to be pointed out to me.

(Is that good or bad?)
 

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A UK man who used Twitter to terrorize women over their efforts to get Jane Austen on the £10 banknote has been sentenced.

"If you can't threaten to rape a celebrity, what is the point in having them?" That's just one of the disturbing tweets Peter Nunn, 33, sent during what prosecutors called his "campaign of hatred" during 2013. Nunn began sending abusive tweets to member of Parliament Stella Creasy, after she voiced support for Caroline Criado-Perez's work to get Austen on the note. According to Arts Technica, Nunn was charged under section 127 of the Communications Act, "which prohibits electronic messages that are 'grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene, or menacing character.'"

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During the trial, Nunn described himself as a "feminist" and said he had only sent the tweets as part of his right to free speech and to satirize trolling. OK.

Nunn was sentenced to 18 weeks for his crimes. District judge Elizabeth Roscoe said she had considered giving Nunn less time so as to lessen the impact on his girlfriend and his three-year-old daughter (yes, that's right—he has a daughter) but reconsidered.


http://jezebel.com/uk-twitter-troll-who-sent-rape-threats-gets-18-week-sen-1640683156
 

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Worthy of note, since Mr Nunn used it as part of his defence - he does not have a statutory right to free speech in the UK
 

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It is a truth universally acknowledged among fuckwits, that a famous woman in possession of an opinion, must be in want of an assault.
Finally, definitive proof that I am not a fuckwit.
 
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