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I never have had a good relationship with dad. I never have lived with him and most of my childhood he was nothing but a voice on the phone whom I would talk every other week for 20 minutes and see every two or three years.

Dad's a very complicated person to deal with. He likes things to be very specific and people be straightforward. Also, he can get stubborn at times and because I don't know how to be his son and he doesn't know how to be my father, our relationship can get very awkward. He doesn't know if he should be a patronizing guide or a lighthearted cool-older-brother-type of buddy and I honestly don't know how I prefer him. I would love if he was more involved in my life but also feels at time he doesn't have the right to criticize some bits of myself, like he has done in the past with my weight and my hygene.

So I was a bit worried about spending time with him in NYC, after all, this trip was first proposed by his parents, who feel somewhat guilty of his abstent in my life. Dad's a workaholic, so last time I spent with him time in Caracas, I left a day earlier because two thirds of the time he was working and the rest he was angry due to work-related frustrations.

Nonetheless, I was actually pleased to actually see him truly happy for the first time. He got secretely married last year with his best friend, a German documentary producer, and they are truly in love. She has helped him to be more calm, centered, relaxed and organized while he helps her to be more outgoing, spontaneous and warm. They so far have worked together in over five movies and documentaries and dad himself told me "If this is marriage, I welcome it with joy."

Also, I feel for the first time I understand him. He's a man of constant action, I'm one of analysis and instrospection. Our family has a sailing tradition of sorts, so he got himself a sailboat which we went around Long Island a couple of times and when I was there, helping him, I felt truly connected with him. I understood his solitude had become a tool for survival in a foreign nation which had been something hard to shake off, that his slight bitterness was due him accepting he no longer was a young man but now finally he has come in terms with maturity and has started, with some precautions, to embrace it. I felt his guilt and impotence regarding Venezuela, our nation, but now accepting with slight resignation that place, of the Eastern Seaboard of the US of A as home. I also felt his love and his pride knowing that this person, his son, who at age 14 would only bath once a week, eat a whole bag of Doritos before going to bed and wouldn't stop talking about Legend of Zelda is finally looking like something resembling a balanced independent person.
 

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Max, I haven't read all the replies in this thread but for what it's worth, I think everyone has doubts and fears when growing up. I certainly did. Grew up shy, a loner in junior high and high school, was a total washout with women, etc. etc. and then I learned one thing which helped me immensely. (Not that you need help in any way, just saying).

I learned to like myself. The line from the old Jerry Lewis movie The Nutty Professor rings very true. (Paraphrasing) "You have to like yourself. Just think of all the time you have to spend with you." I learned to like myself, relationships with women became not only possible but there, as in there, and even though I preferred my own company then as now, I learned how to get along with others, overcoming my own shyness and fears of not being good enough.

I think you've learned to like yourself and you're a fucking good writer with something intelligent to say each and every time. That's my take.
 

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I learned to like myself.


I had to do that too. It took some time. And I still have some off days! But one particular period stands out, I was unemployed, felt like I had failed in absolutely everything in life . . . had no idea if I even had a future, and I was only 21. I spent a lot of time alone in a 1 br apt. with few visitors. . . but as time passed, I ended up learning who I really was, my true personality, and loved myself.

I think, without hitting rock bottom, everyone should be able to experience something similar.
 

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Max, you remind me a little of my 11-year-old. He wears his shirts buttoned to the top, plays the violin (his choice) and can build absolutely anything with a little cardboard and tape. He couldn't care less about sports. Oh, and he stutters.

In other words, he is perfect.

i'm gay. My brother was also gay. He stuttered. The poor kid. He was born 1952. I'm telling you he was crucified by the other kids. I was born eight years later. I wasn't picked on. After I saw how the kids treated him, I hid deeply within myself. I wasn't born with as much feminine mannerisms as my brother either. And through no power of my own, Mom said I was born happy and laughing, and I've been happy and laughing at myself ever since. When you laugh at yourself, nobody else seems to laugh at you. That was my experience.

My twin brother was straight. He stuttered too. The kids crucified my twin brother too. We were Dutch protestants in a Brooklyn Italian transplant Long Island neighborhood.

I'm sorry to stereotype but the Brooklyn Italian boys were horrible. Vicious, cruel kids. I left Long Island when I was 17. My brothers stayed on Long Island. They both grew up to be shattered people. My gay brother died last year. My twin brother is still shattered.
 

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One of the best things that ever happened to me was to move out of my hometown . . . I'm not even that far away . . . but it's like another world.
 

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One of the best things that ever happened to me was to move out of my hometown . . . I'm not even that far away . . . but it's like another world.

It was great for me too to leave my hometown. I didn't have a bad time of it as a kid. I'd have to say I never had a bad time much in any period of my life. Very bad things happened to people very close around me though. Family, lover death etc.

But as a child I felt very guilty my brothers were having it so very bad and I wasn't. And in high school I did very well and my poor twin brother still did very bad. And I was popular later, and he wasn't. And as a teenager I was so relieved people liked me I became less empathetic about my twin's experience. But nothing goes on in a vacuum.

My poor gay older brother, he grew up to be a very critical, opinionated, very mean person himself in adulthood. He hated being gay and hated me that I ended up loving that I was gay. Life has all its layers, many of them contradictory. He was an abusive man. But he was shattered long before he grew to be abusive.
 

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Thanks for all the support and love J.S, Kim and Timmy. :)

I had a quite sheltered childhood. Mom worked as a prosecutor from family court so she had seen hundred of cases about molested children and she always saw me so helpless, so she protected me even from other kids. I guess this is why I felt so related to Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters when I saw it when I was 10. I have always had mixed feelings about it feeling weaker and inferior.

It's only the last two years or so I have felt truly blossoming. :)
 

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More on Mishima, an old blog post:

When I was 10 years old, as many of my generation were, I was fascinated by Japanese culture by the ways of Pokemon and others from the Animé boom of the late 90's. It was then when I discovered A&E was going to present three movies about Japan: Kurosawa's Dreams, Spielberg's Empire of the Sun and Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters.

Needless to say, I was enthralled by Mishima and readily felt identified with the first chapter. As the Yukio Mishima presented in the movie, I was a meekly outcast as a child, quite shy and silent but with a vivid mind, a voracious mind wanting to know more, wanting to create things and imagining things I couldn't even describe.

Though I have grown older and know better and see Mishima the man in a less romantic manner the struggle, his struggle, the struggle of any writer continues to lives on. The fight between word and action, how we shape the world with our ideas and, at the same time, thought and acting feel so alien among each other.

I write not to please others but because I think and when I think, I have a need to plaster the idea, the web, on this world. To make it a reality, I guess I'm nore different than Henry Darger, then.

But again, at times, due to how we see the world, something objective, in a such subjective manner. Is there such a thing as objective? Does anything exist outside our minds? Perhaps I'm dwelling in sci-fi solipsism too much...
 

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Thanks for all the support and love J.S, Kim and Timmy. :)

Mom worked as a prosecutor from family court so she had seen hundred of cases about molested children and she always saw me so helpless, so she protected me even from other kids.

My Mom put my older gay brother in the middle of her world. When the kids picked on my brother, my mother used to run out of the house yellin, She'd go after the boys with a big stick. And believe me...they ran.
 
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One of the best things that ever happened to me was to move out of my hometown . . . I'm not even that far away . . . but it's like another world.

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Well, I moved out of my hometown--Toronto--all the way to Japan (still here, by the way) so it's quite a distance. The old saying of "finding oneself" may very well be true but it doesn't always involve going to some point afar. What it does involve is a little introspection and a lot of brutal self-honesty.

Hell, I used to hate myself as a young teen, used to sit in front of a mirror looking at myself and wondering if any girl would ever like me, used to avoid situations which involved talking to others--in short, I didn't like myself at all and I guess it carried over to the social situations I found myself in i.e. which meant no friends at all. I'd blame people then and to be sure, some of them were total assholes, but at the same time I needed to look at who I was...and I didn't like what I saw.

What caused me to grow up? Nothing, really, no major events, no shattering of illusions, just time, time and thinking "Who am I?" and "Where do I go from here?" Out of that eventually came acceptance and understanding. I worked on my faults--I still work on them--and if people can accept me for who and what I am, cliche or not--then fine. If they can't, I don't worry about it. I accept myself now, warts and all.

May we all find the paths in life that lead to our own version of happiness.
 
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When I was 10 years old, as many of my generation were, I was fascinated by Japanese culture by the ways of Pokemon and others from the Animé boom of the late 90's. It was then when I discovered A&E was going to present three movies about Japan: Kurosawa's Dreams, Spielberg's Empire of the Sun and Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters.

Needless to say, I was enthralled by Mishima and readily felt identified with the first chapter. As the Yukio Mishima presented in the movie, I was a meekly outcast as a child, quite shy and silent but with a vivid mind, a voracious mind wanting to know more, wanting to create things and imagining things I couldn't even describe.

I think the prevalence of themes like that are what drew my to Japanese fiction so strongly in the first place, too. Japanese fiction tends to deal with isolation, loneliness, and identity for more often and more seriously than Western fiction does. Lots of main characters in Japanese fiction are utterly hated in the West for their meekness and passivity, which is exactly what makes their stories so appealing to me. I am totally Shinji Ikari.
 

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I'm pretty sure I'd out-Shinji you in duel of Shinji-ness. But then again, I wouldn't, because I'd avoid the duel in the first place. WHAT A PARADOX!!!
 

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I'm pretty sure I'd out-Shinji you in duel of Shinji-ness. But then again, I wouldn't, because I'd avoid the duel in the first place. WHAT A PARADOX!!!

I'm actually simultaneously both Shinji and Gendou.

Oh, and Kaji too.

(I actually interpret Shinji, Gendou, and Kaji as three different aspects of the same personality. Much like the MAGI represent the three aspects of Ritsuko's mother's personality.)
 

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I think the prevalence of themes like that are what drew my to Japanese fiction so strongly in the first place, too. Japanese fiction tends to deal with isolation, loneliness, and identity for more often and more seriously than Western fiction does. Lots of main characters in Japanese fiction are utterly hated in the West for their meekness and passivity, which is exactly what makes their stories so appealing to me. I am totally Shinji Ikari.

I feel there tends to be a lot more freedom from introspection on Japanese fiction in general, as stated by a Japanese author: The important thing on western fiction is a satisfying ending, the important thing on Japanese fiction is a satisfying journey.

Also, you see a major tolerance for "non-alpha" male types. Though not the same openness towards the idea of an "alpha female". Or so I feel, you have a better idea about it.

By the way, what's your take on the "Herbivore men" phenomenon?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120696816
 

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I'm actually simultaneously both Shinji and Gendou.

Oh, and Kaji too.

(I actually interpret Shinji, Gendou, and Kaji as three different aspects of the same personality. Much like the MAGI represent the three aspects of Ritsuko's mother's personality.)

So, taken to a Christian motif, The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost?

I, too, felt related to Shinji when I was a child and Gendou to my father, with the whole awkwardness of our relationship. Growing up, I find myself being a bit more like Gendou and my own father more and more: Making a wall of sorts to not have my feelings hurt built out of my little interests and activities, so I have tried to avoid that. Especially now since I see my father having finally found some balance and joy.
 

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I feel there tends to be a lot more freedom from introspection on Japanese fiction in general, as stated by a Japanese author: The important thing on western fiction is a satisfying ending, the important thing on Japanese fiction is a satisfying journey.

Also, you see a major tolerance for "non-alpha" male types. Though not the same openness towards the idea of an "alpha female". Or so I feel, you have a better idea about it.

Watch more shoujo. Its masterpieces are packed with alpha women. The two big classics to start with are Rose of Versailles and Revolutionary Girl Utena. (I only just started the former, but the latter is my second favorite series of all time, just behind Eva.) It's also interesting how world resets via self-sacrifice are such a common ending to certain kinds of anime.

By the way, what's your take on the "Herbivore men" phenomenon?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120696816

Interesting. I actually hadn't heard of that. I can't help but wonder if something is lost in translation as far as the lack of interest in sex goes. Because if you ignore that, it describes me pretty well. However, I'm a complete pervert who thinks about sex constantly. Nonetheless, I don't actually do anything to act on that as far as chasing women goes, so I can see how from an outsider's perspective it might appear I have no interest in sex, when I actually do.

So, taken to a Christian motif, The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost?

I, too, felt related to Shinji when I was a child and Gendou to my father, with the whole awkwardness of our relationship. Growing up, I find myself being a bit more like Gendou and my own father more and more: Making a wall of sorts to not have my feelings hurt built out of my little interests and activities, so I have tried to avoid that. Especially now since I see my father having finally found some balance and joy.

I'd be extremely hesitant to try to relate it to Christian theology at all. Despite all the crosses and Christian terminology, Hideaki Anno only chose those motifs because they were cool and foreign to a Japanese audience. He's said if he knew it would be popular in the West, too, he would have done it differently. I don't know much at all about Christian theology myself, so I can't really comment.
 

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Watch more shoujo. Its masterpieces are packed with alpha women. The two big classics to start with are Rose of Versailles and Revolutionary Girl Utena. (I only just started the former, but the latter is my second favorite series of all time, just behind Eva.) It's also interesting how world resets via self-sacrifice are such a common ending to certain kinds of anime.

Yeah, I have been recommended Utena before. So, it's indeed necessary to check out.


Interesting. I actually hadn't heard of that. I can't help but wonder if something is lost in translation as far as the lack of interest in sex goes. Because if you ignore that, it describes me pretty well. However, I'm a complete pervert who thinks about sex constantly. Nonetheless, I don't actually do anything to act on that as far as chasing women go, so I can see how from an outsider's perspective it might appear I have no interest in sex, when I actually do.

Actually, it varies a bit from source to source. In another source, it's mentioned lots of them do watch porn and such, they just don't appear to actively engage in relationships.

I'd be extremely hesitant to try to relate it to Christian theology at all. Despite all the crosses and Christian terminology, Hideaki Anno only chose those motifs because they were cool and foreign to a Japanese audience. He's said if he knew it would be popular in the West, too, he would have done it differently. I don't know much at all about Christian theology myself, so I can't really comment.

Yeah, I know it's all symbolism for symbolism's sake. Which we can see its use and abuse on western media about eastern religion, but it made me think on the archetypical ideas of the triple deity and how it's a reflection of different human stages (Warrior, Sage, Spirit)
 

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Actually, it varies a bit from source to source. In another source, it's mentioned lots of them do watch porn and such, they just don't appear to actively engage in relationships.

I'd be curious to hear their reasons. I've been single for a while through no particular choice of my own. I haven't actively pursued a relationship in a while, just because an awful lot of stars have to align to get me truly interested in someone, since a purely physical relationship holds little appeal for me. And I'm certainly not the kind of hit on or flirt with strangers.

Yeah, I know it's all symbolism for symbolism's sake. Which we can see its use and abuse on western media about eastern religion, but it made me think on the archetypical ideas of the triple deity and how it's a reflection of different human stages (Warrior, Sage, Spirit)

I don't really know enough about Western theology to be able to comment.
 

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I was surprised by the variety of people on NYC. It boggles my mind that literaly thousands of souls around the world just to come here.

And at the same time, it was a labor of love. The Strand bookstore with its four floors and the cathedral-like city library is the love of the books. The Metropolitan and the Modern Art Museum is love for the culture, the history and the people and so on. You could feel each inch of land had its story recorded for generations perpetually due the love for the city that people had.

I was also surprised by the people. It felt that, for better or for worse, you could be whoever you wanted and nobody would care. I never had felt so much freedom or safety on the streets before, it was unbelievable.

It was time to explore a bit.

Because dad had to attend his sailboat, he left for two days so I had some time to wander around. He and his wife live on Chelsea, which I quickly learned was a well-off gay-friendly neighborhood. The local cinema played Rocky Horror on midnight weekends, so I felt it was an unique chance to enjoy it.

I was a bit afraid going there at first, but was deeply amused finding out most of the people there were either young adults going to see something they thought it was "edgy" or tourists like myself wanting to see what was all the fuzz about. I was both. The shadow play and the whole thing felt a bit too tourist-oriented, I expected more audience participation but I guess it was alright. Great performers.

As I mentioned before, I was curious on visiting a gay bar. I walked around a bit the area and felt that the local joints were too, well, sexualized and over-the-top.

On my way to watch the midnight screening of The Room, I happened to have a bit too much time in my hands, I ended up going to the bar next to the cinema for a beer. This is the first time I go to a bar for a beer, and just by accident it was a gay bar. It's a bit hard to tell in Chelsea since half of the businesses carry the rainbow flag at least.

I had my first beer (A Coors Light, yes, I'm ashamed as well) sitting on the bar watching TCM, tend I sat outside because the noise bothered me and I even managed to get hit on! Yes, they were around thrice my age but it felt nice to be called "cute".

It was a mixed experience, though. Both men were quite intelligent, one told he was a fine arts professor but all talk led to sex most of the time. I felt quite a glee to know someone regards me sexually attractive, even if the feeling is not mutual.

It was also the first time I visited a sex shop. n a way, I have been afraid of sex. Not about talking about sex, or seeing sex nor feeling sexual pleasure but on overtly considering myself as a sexual being. I was nervous at first, but was surprised about the camraderie and mundanity of all. The salespeople were friendly and helpful and the variety interesting. It was a very welcoming experience.

I know all of this may sound a bit silly, but I felt I broken some important barriers. I can say I felt like an adult for the first time, and just for fooling around like that but on having actual responsibilities and managing around with people like an equal. I liked adulthood and I wish more of it.

I feel, for the first time, I have something to look upon after graduation. A set, a goal, a standard of living.
 

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I think you've definitely been having a good experience so far. . . going out of your comfort zone without exactly flinging yourself over the edge!
 

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Last week, a 18 years old gay was soaked on petrol and set on fire on slum near my hometown. One was identified as an underage from his former school, but not much is expected to come out of it. The kid is at the city hospital and is said he will be on release in a month.

This has drawn the attention of many people, including the national chapter of Amnesty International. So a gathering is being organized right here in favor of LGBT rights, if this is not the first pride march here surely is the most spoken. A part of me wants to go, another is worried about being seen. Then, there's my upbringing, I suspect my mother's philosophy is "If you don't try, you don't fail".

I need to ask myself some serious questions, I spend too much time attempting to not to define myself: On orientation, on politics, on religion, etc. I worry people will be upset so I try to adapt myself to their point of view, I try to please them.

I'm the person on the church steps who doesn't go to mass but. Doesn't go away.
 

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Sorry, late in the thread...

Happy to read someone's come to accept themselves, I feel that's all too rare among... most people, regardless their sex, race, orientation, looks etc.

See any woman who enjoys sports, prefer pants over skirts and doesn't care about looking like Cindy Crawford, the average person thinks that woman could possibly a Lesbian. .
Funny thing: I'm one of those 'wear pants and boots, does combat sports and shoots' -chicks (with a plank-body to boot), but people have commented that I still come off incredibly heterosexual.

Okay, the long hair's pretty femme, I guess.
 

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Yeah I have had all different kinds of hair and basically found that with long hair, no matter what other characteristics I have including weight and clothing, people are less likely to think I'm a lesbian. Even some people who know I'm a lesbian think I'm femme just because I have long hair. . . but a few years ago I looked and dressed exactly the same, except with short hair, and people would assume I was butch lol. (really I fall somewhere in between.)

But right now my hair is all long except I shaved one side. :)
 
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