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B.L. Robinson said:
My book (with PA) used a photgraph that was photoshopped. Now, my question is this. If they took it off of the web, according to the little bit of research that I did today, that would be a violation of the photographers copyright? According to copyright law, an image is considered copyrighted as soon as it is 'posted' online. Wonder if this could be a bargaining chip in regaining my rights? Or if the AG office would be interested in it, especially if I could find the original photo again? (I did once.)

This idea might be worth pursuing. If you spot a photo that was elsewhere on the web that you believe PA used without permission for your book or some other author's, then send an email to the owner of that copyright if you can to let them know as well. Be sure to let them know that PA is making millions each year, so their pockets are deep enough to afford proper payment and that they might want to get their share of those millions.

If you can verify that it was taken and used without permission, then also contact Amazon, Books In Print, Ingram, and everyone else that PA deals with to "distribute" their books to make them aware that PA is violating the copyright belonging to someone else. They might not want to carry those books and that could conceivably give those authors some leverage for forcing PA to terminate their contracts.
 

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Attention: mdmkay

Dear Mdmkay:

You have not written to me to participate in Phase Two. Please do so immediately. I will direct you in how to take action against PA with the authorities in the manner that has been researched and designed to do the most good.

Don't bother writing to that address you posted.

Write to me instead, at [email protected]

This goes for any other new arrivals.

If you want to take specific, directed, legal and ETHICAL action against PublishAmerica, write to me and sign up for THE PROJECT.

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Does PA edit?

MartyKay, I didn't tell you the entire story. It was much worse. It was so stressful that many nights I considered going to the ER. I did have a stroke.

There were not 5 copies printed. My book went on sale on PA's site on Sept. 16. My author's copies were delayed and not received. I know of 33 that were sold that I did not order, but I suspect many more than that were actually sold.

I had a big book signing planned, a private party given by a casino in fine dining and invitation only. This was on Oct 24th so I ordered 251 books in September. They were printed with the wrong set of proofs also.

I was assured many times that the books would arrive in time for my signing.
So 251 that I ordered, the 2 author's copies and 33 sold from PA were the ones I am aware of that were printed from the wrong proofs.

It appears that the only thing PA worries about getting right is your credit card number.

They didn't even offen an apology.

I am 199 on PA's best seller list today and my contract was cancelled a year ago.

Molly
 

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Seeking Maryland Authors

If you live in Maryland and are unhappy with PublishAmerica, I would like to hear from you, ESPECIALLY if you reside in SOUTHERN Maryland.

Please drop me a line ASAP.

[email protected]

There is trouble afoot for PA.

(Hear that splashing sound? That's Willem, Larry and Miranda sweating, wondering what old One of Eight has in mind. Guess, Stooges. <evil grin>)

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Literary Lola said:
Garsh, my publisher did all that for me. I didn't pay a dime. What's sad is I'm betting the poor guy sent them to all the big time reviewers. You know the ones I'm talking about...the ones who don't review POD's.

At the end of the month, there is a big religious book fair just outside of Chicago that is attended by representatives of every Catholic bookstore chain as well as most major Catholic bookstores. My publisher will be giving away somewhere between 200 and 250 copies of my book. Not only is the publisher picking up the tab for the books (as well as travel, food and accomodation for my co-author and I to be there) but there is no yellow sticker that goes on the book, to the best of my knowledge. This is how a publisher should treat its authors.
 

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AC Crispin said:
(Hear that splashing sound? That's Willem, Larry and Miranda sweating, wondering what old One of Eight has in mind. Guess, Stooges. <evil grin>)-Ann C. Crispin
Please tell me that what you have in mind will insure that Willy, Lumpy and Moe have matching black and white striped jumpsuits that come with a darling little hat.
 

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ResearchGuy said:
I believe that "contempt" and "righteous indignation" are more accurate terms than "hatred." And it is not an entity, as such, toward which the contempt and indignation are directed, but rather the principals (and for that matter, lack of principles) of the company.
I do not hold PA authors in contempt. They are victims (in the legal sense) of a slickly promoted, if not very sophisticated, scheme to deceive.

Neither do I hold the Stooges in contempt. They are beneath contempt.
 

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Ed:


This perhaps answers your contract question:

PARA 26: This agreement shall be binding on, and inure to the benefit of, the executors, administrators, heirs and assigns of Author, and the successors and assigns of Publisher. No assignment by Author shall be binding on Publisher without the written consent of the Publisher; provided, however, that Author may assign or transfer any monies due, or to become due to him, hereunder.

PARA 28: The provisions of this agreement shall apply to and bind the heirs, executors, administrators and assigns of the Author, and the successors and assigns of the Publisher.
 

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AC Crispin said:
Sorry, Lola, I'm not going to tip my hand here on AW where I know the Stooges are reading.
Yes, Ann, I know that you're far too smart to ever reveal your gameplan. I was just being my usual bombastic and hopeful self. I always hold good thoughts for your great works.
 

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Literary Lola said:
And those minxes at PA only charged him "close to their cost" for his review copies. Now, just what the h-e-double hockey sticks does that mean? Charging $20 for a book that they printed up for $5 is "close to their costs" depending on which side of the ledger sheet you’re standing.
Being as how they were "pre-production" copies, I'm guessing he got the standard deal being offered in recent history and received a 50% discount off list. For a $19.95 book, he would have paid $9.98 per copy (for a total outlay of almost $2000, not counting shipping to receive the books and shipping to send those 200 books).

I believe he's assuming that $9.98 is "close to their cost", when in fact, they're still making a handsome profit off those 200 copies...I think someone calculated it took about 18 copies for PA to break even (though I may be mistaken on that)?

I wonder how many copies he purchased for distribution after publication, something that some publishers will do for free as well...
 

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Think the word isn't getting out there?

Here's some interesting verbiage from a Massachusetts based newspaper concerning an upcoming PA release:

Both "Battered and Betrayed" and "Quest for the Source of Darkness" are being brought out by PublishAmerica, which describes itself as a traditional publishing house.
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The Maryland-based company has been at the center of controversy stemming from clients unhappy over its publishing practices. The brouhaha, however, is something that neither Ms. Martin nor Ms. Perry can understand.
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"So far," Ms. Martin said, "I've had nothing but good experiences with them. They take my input and respond quickly in a manner that I can understand."
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Ms. Perry likes the way PublishAmerica has edited her manuscript, and calls the staff "very open."
Not exactly a ringing endorsement, huh? It's getting pretty bad when PA authors are hit with stuff like this before their books are even released.

You can read the entire article here:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-05/05-07-05/c01li413.htm
 

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Happy Birthday????

I stumbled across something by accident... Did I read this right? Is it actually Dave K's Birthday today?????

If so, Happy Birthday!!!



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Ed Williams said:
Here's some interesting verbiage from a Massachusetts based newspaper concerning an upcoming PA release:

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, huh? It's getting pretty bad when PA authors are hit with stuff like this before their books are even released.

You can read the entire article here:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-05/05-07-05/c01li413.htm

Ed-This is pitiful. How do you think these fine folks felt when they saw this?
 

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Like B.L. Robinson and others, I was booted from the PAMB because I questioned their editing, or lack thereof. Actually, if you read the PA contract closely you will see that editing by PA is implied, but not actually required.

Para 13, starts "The Publisher shall furnish the Author with an electronic page proof of the work which conforms to the complete manuscript as submitted by the Author. The Author agrees to return such proof to the Publisher with his (grammar and/or spelling and/or "typo" and/or non-substantial editing) corrections within fifteen (15) days of the receipt thereof by him.

Note: You see that PA will furnish the author with a proof that "conforms" to the complete manuscript submitted by the author. What does "non-substantial editing" meaning? Here is a case where editing is implied; however, it is the author that actually does the editing.

Para 14.(A) If, in the Publisher's opinion, the manuscript of the said literary work requires substantial editing, the Publisher agrees to provide such editorial service without cost or expense to the Author. It is specifically understood and agreed, however, that the Publisher shall make no major revisions, changes and/or alterations therein without first consulting the Author and receiving written permission to do so.

Note: Editing is again implied, but notice the big "however" in the second sentence. I doubt few, if any, authors were ever asked to give PA written permission to make "changes and/or alterations." This is where a lot of PA authors are confused, because they know they submitted a MS with some "major" problems, particularly grammar. When PA did not make those changes and went forward anyway, the author didn't know what to do, and PA was not about to help them figure it out. One lady received her two copies and was so embarrassed by the lack of editing that she stated on the PAMB that she had instructed her friends, etc., not to buy it, and she planned not to sell a copy.

The lack of quality control by PA is the least understood practice by the author. Every author writes the best they can and they have the right to expect a publisher to have as much interest in their work as they do, but PA does not print books to sell to the public in general, as has been stated on this board many times. PA sells to the author and to the author's list of "family and friends." PA could care less if the author's book ever saw the inside of a bookstore. That is simply not their business model, but again, implications by the Publisher leads authors to think otherwise.

I saw several cases, where authors on the PAMB stated that their page proof (the one that is returned with the proof corrections) had excessive errors, but PA would not correct them. The authors were willing to let them go, because I suspect their fear of the second half of PARA 13: "The cost of alterations in the page proof required by the Author, other than corrections of Publisher's errors, in excess of fifteen (15%) percent of the original cost of composition, shall be charged against the earning of the Author under this agreement; provided also, however, that the Publisher shall promptly furnish to the Author an itemized statement of such additional expenses, and shall make available at the Publisher's office the corrected proof for inspection by the Author or his representatives."

Note: You see the new author's delemma here? Just what exactly is 15 percent of the original cost of composition? And who wants to go to the Publisher's office to check an itemized statement? This is one of those unethical BS provisions.



There is absolutely nothing in my contract that states PA will perform "line-by-line" editing. However, "line-by-line" editing is often implied in documentation, message board responses, etc., outside the contract.

In my case, (from the PAMB) I had already begun to suspect that PA did not conduct "line editing," when I sent in my MS, and I deliberately entered some mistakes and marked them, so that I could go back and make the corrections when I received my proofs. Mistakes such as: to/too, quiet/quite, there/their, not capitalizing the first word in a sentence, periods left off at the end of the sentence, etc. Easy things to correct. None were corrected.

I was not bothered very much by the failure to edit my work, because I edited it myself twelve or thirteen times. I knew there would grammatical and punctuation errors, but I was hoping they would be few and I could live with them, and I have.

The contract is vaguely worded (I almost said cleverly) and it makes implications, which a contract should not do. It is not so much a matter of legality, but of ethics. It is unethical for PA to lead authors to believe that their MS will be edited. Most PA authors are inexperienced, and they have sent PA their first work. They naively believe that PA wants to help them be the best that they can be, and when they read announcements that PA is hiring more editors, they automatically think that someone will actually be assigned to them to read their work line-by-line and work with them to turn their book into a best seller.

Some authors on the PAMB have stated that they were helped by such and such editor, and I believe that, but I also believe in most of those cases, where there was actual consultation (voice or e-mail) between PA editor and author, the work was so bad that PA was merely in the act of salvaging another MS to print. And I also suspect that in the general scheme of things, that new people coming on board at PA probably at first want to do a good job for the author, and they might actually help, but overtime in the pressure of the rush to print books, quality editing and even running the "grammar and spell-checker" falls by the wayside. My statement on the PAMB was that my book was not edited by any stretch of the imagination, and I stand by that.
 

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quote Arkie: Every author writes the best they can and they have the right to expect a publisher to have as much interest in their work as they do, but PA does not print books to sell to the public in general, as has been stated on this board many times.

True.

But, what qualifications do these,(writers) have that makes them believe they can write a novel to start with. A poorly written manuscript will never get to the editors of a real publishers to be edited.

Now, with that said.

P.A. accepts anything because they deal with first time authors. So, first timers who haven't studied the art are bound to have major problems.

Next: One author stated she was embarrassed to have anyone read her work.

Why? Did she expect the publisher to totally re-write her book in a fashion that would make it acceptable? Knowing she had major problems, and being a first timer with little knowledge, and hyping the book up to her home town and family, not raise a red flag with her? Would she not say to herself, hey, I better make this right so I don't embarrass myself?

Would she not say, no company will accept my book unless it is the best it can be before I send it anywhere? If I don't know what I'm doing, though, I can tell a good story, shouldn't I hire my own editor first before I shop the book around?

Here-in lies the problem with every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinking they can write a saleable book.

That my friends is what P.A. hinges their hopes on.

The new, ignorant, aspiring writer will not know any better. Will not know the difference. The loving family will buy the book. The author will buy the book. The reading public won't touch it, the bookstores won't touch it, and the truth of P.A. shine through. Poor quality books. That is why P.A. is not traditional. They have no confidence in their product, nor does anyone else.

Hence we sell them to the author. Business model complete.

 
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changling said:
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P.A. accepts anything because they deal with first time authors. So, first timers who haven't studied the art are bound to have major problems...
Along the way PA must have scooped up some able authors (maybe many, for all one can tell) who HAD studied the art, had written a good book, and who simply did not understand the business and hence did not query and submit to legitimate agents and publishers--or who gave up too soon or had not targeted the right publisher(s). Maybe some of those books escaped the PA 'editing' process unscathed. But how many escaped the other problems chronicled here? (Rhetorical question, that last, as the answer is none, as also chronicled here.)

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Thank-you PA for adding to the shame!

Memphis Ed said:
Ed-This is pitiful. How do you think these fine folks felt when they saw this?

They will get over it, hopefully...

What REALLY bothers me is this one thread I caught over at the PAMB from one of their authors who appears to have been molested as a child. Her book revolves around this experience. Of course all her PA friends gave her five-star ratings at Amazon, but then her book was twinned for sales purposes with a similar book from a commercial publisher. This means she actually sold copies to the general public.

The reviews she got back from the general public were not nearly as nice as those from her fellow PA authors. Some were downright nasty and, in my opinion, out of line where they attacked the author and her experience. Nevertheless, most of the criticism from the general public was legit: the book was poorly edited, too many typographical errors, spelling and grammatical mistakes on every page, etc.

Unfortunately, the author is taking this personally. What is sickening about the whole thing is that being molested is one of the most traumatic experiences anyone can suffer, particuarly a young child. The trauma is lifelong as one never fully recovers this side of Heaven. This is why the victim often internalizes feelings of shame, confusion, anger, etc. To finally come out in public and then be ridiculed or laughed at is just cruel. When something is this emotional and has affected you this deeply, it is just difficult to separate the experience about which one is writing from the mechanics of writing.

Unfortunately, knowing PA, the technical criticism is probably warranted. And thus she was doubly victimized in my opinion.
 

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ResearchGuy said:
Along the way PA must have scooped up some able authors (maybe many, for all one can tell) who HAD studied the art, had written a good book, and who simply did not understand the business and hence did not query and submit to legitimate agents and publishers--or who gave up too soon or had not targeted the right publisher(s). Maybe some of those books escaped the PA 'editing' process unscathed. But how many escaped the other problems chronicled here? (Rhetorical question, that last, as the answer is none, as also chronicled here.)

--Ken

Yes, Ken, there are some, and P.A. loves them. Those who can do thier own work, save the company time and the book will come forth that much quicker.

My book was five months from first e-mail to author copies.
And, yes I did get help with my editing where needed.

Does a writer simply throw a gang of words together and ship it off to the publisher, (Atlanta Nights) style. Heck no, it better be darn good all the way around before it ever enters the envelope.
 

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It was interesting to discover that one PA author complained on the board that PA wouldn't publish her personal genealogy. Another author chimed in and told her to write a historical book and hide her genealogy in the text. Heck, it worked for him, so why not for her?

This is proof positive that some of those authors over there know that PA is definitely a vanity press, and use it as such! Either that or they are delighting in out-witting their printer, eh?

Triceratops:Smack:
 

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Gratian Gasparri said:
They will get over it, hopefully...

What REALLY bothers me is this one thread I caught over at the PAMB from one of their authors who appears to have been molested as a child. Her book revolves around this experience. Of course all her PA friends gave her five-star ratings at Amazon, but then her book was twinned for sales purposes with a similar book from a commercial publisher. This means she actually sold copies to the general public.

The reviews she got back from the general public were not nearly as nice as those from her fellow PA authors. Some were downright nasty and, in my opinion, out of line where they attacked the author and her experience. Nevertheless, most of the criticism from the general public was legit: the book was poorly edited, too many typographical errors, spelling and grammatical mistakes on every page, etc.

Unfortunately, the author is taking this personally. What is sickening about the whole thing is that being molested is one of the most traumatic experiences anyone can suffer, particuarly a young child. The trauma is lifelong as one never fully recovers this side of Heaven. This is why the victim often internalizes feelings of shame, confusion, anger, etc. To finally come out in public and then be ridiculed or laughed at is just cruel. When something is this emotional and has affected you this deeply, it is just difficult to separate the experience about which one is writing from the mechanics of writing.

Unfortunately, knowing PA, the technical criticism is probably warranted. And thus she was doubly victimized in my opinion.

Sorry. Didn't snip this because every word is important.

You are right on the button. This is the real tragedy of PA. I know who you're talking about. This woman appears to be a sweet, lovely human being - someone I'd like to know. But even her posts show she needs help with grammar and spelling. How could ANYONE - ANY publisher - send out a book about the trauma, the horror she has been through, and leave in the obvious errors? How could they allow her experiences to held up to ridicule when all they had to do was a little simple editing? The mistakes, from what I can tell, should have been caught by anyone who even DARED to work in any kind of publishing company. AND I believe I read somewhere that this book was extremely short - under 100 pages.

TO ALL YOU RAH RAH PA AUTHORS WHO READ HERE: You are supporting a publisher who used this sweet woman, who had a childhood full of abuse, so they could make a little money. They could have edited her book. The mistakes were obvious. But they didn't care. THEY DIDN'T CARE. Now, as she begins to find out that her book was thrown out there without the simple help it should have received - as she gets comments back about the spelling mistakes and the mistakes in grammar - SHE is the one who will have to face the embarrassment. PA doesn't care. If they did - they wouldn't have allowed this to happen in the first place.

So, we're bashers, huh? Well, what the holy heck do you think your publisher is, guys? I could give you a few choice words. Too bad I don't talk like that.

Use your imagination.

Nancy
 

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~~Please tell me that what you have in mind will insure that Willy, Lumpy and Moe have matching black and white striped jumpsuits that come with a darling little hat.~~Literary Lola

Oh, and don't forget the prison issue briefs and/or thong! Gak...now THAT visual is...well, nauseating!

~~Unfortunately, knowing PA, the technical criticism is probably warranted. And thus she was doubly victimized in my opinion.~~Gratian Gaspari

You are absolutely right! The sad thing is that PA probably didn't read her manuscript...they just ran it through spellcheck and that was it!
I am continuously surprised at the crass attitude of PA.

From PA web site~~
It specializes in books about, or by, people who face and overcome hardships and obstacles in life (both fictional and nonfictional), and who turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones.

Well, guess what PA! You drive a road of devastation right through the hearts of authors who have a personal story to tell by taking a mediocre stab at making the manuscript into a readable work. You embarrass the very people you scam on so many levels.

My advice to "Le Trio De Stooge" is that when you all are ready to publish YOUR heartfelt memoires from Leavenworth, call PA...and see what "Payback's a *****" really means!"
 

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Hey ya'll! I've read little snippets in posts here referencing "Atlantic Nights". Could someone give us newbies the rundown on this so that we don't have to rummage through 13,000 posts to find out the lowdown and dirty?
Thanks, I'd appreciate it!
 

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akaa1a,

I'm sorry to correct your spelling in public, but I believe you meant:

Word for the Month:
Dopeler effect: The tendency of stipid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

Hope this didn't embarrass you too much....

Nancy

P.S. Hey, what happened to our little green thingies????
 
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