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Definitions, recommendations, and answers
...Or some attempt thereof.
Definitions Interstitial arts: From the online etymology dictionary: Quote:
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Slipstream (from wikipedeia, because it's a good starting point for the conversation, not because I think it needs to be definitional) Quote:
New Weird (ditto wikipedia) Quote:
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Surrealism (ditto wikipedia, especially because I know far more about surrealist painting than writing...) Quote:
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More definitions
Magical Realism ... is not so easy to define, actually. (I don't recommend Wikipedia for this one, at least not with the article in its current state.) Kitty Pryde has pointed to an awesome collection of links on the subject. Bruce Holland Rogers has an excellent essay on magical realism and how it differs from genre fantasy here: Quote:
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"The Armature of Flight," Fantasy Magazine, 2/10 "The Anadem," Coyote Wild, 1/08 "Attar of Roses," Clarkesworld Magazine, 2/07 Last edited by Sharon Mock; 03-03-2009 at 04:33 AM. Reason: Added the page that Kitty Pryde found |
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Definitions: Metafiction and Fabulism
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Borges is a commonly accepted example of metafiction not mentioned on the above page. Fabulism: I have no links for this one; it seems to have gone undefined on the Web. (How did that happen?) But I had an opportunity this weekend to talk to Stephen Potts, professor at UCSD and SDSU, who a) confirmed that fabulism is indeed a critical term, and b) kindly explained it to me. Fabulism describes works that convey a moral or a message: literary fables. Kurt Vonnegut was his example (Slaughterhouse Five is a potent statement on war). Fabulism contrasts with metafiction, which commonly has no message or moral outside its commentary on fiction. Yes, I know Vonnegut gets cited as an example of metafiction on that Wikipedia page. I think that's an example of using metafictional techniques to fabulist ends. (Clear as day? Clear as mud? Clear as squid?) |
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punny user title, here
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Ad New Weird:
New Weird, New Weird 2, New Weird 3, New Weird 4, New Weird 4.5 I read this some years ago and forgotten most of it. You'll need lots of time, but it's the movement talking. |
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New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
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It is too long, It is indeed to spend me lots of time. But I like to read if I have free time.
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Maybe this is the right place for a question. How do you distinguish between the truly interstitial and the stuff that uses that label to justify incomplete worldbuilding or storytelling? It seems to me I've read a fair few stories in the latter category, leaving me with a horrid sense of narrative interruptus. On the other hand, I've read lots of stuff I'd consider interstitial because it doesn't fit neatly in any genre, that builds worlds and tells stories beautifully. I've also read stories that leave me hanging for a clearly defined purpose, which is a completely different feeling. (I wonder if Robert Heinlein's "All You Zombies-" is an interstitial story? I think maybe.)
So those stories that leave me hanging - are they just *bad* interstitial stories? (Or, also possibly, am I just a *bad* interstitial reader?)
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I wanted to include this after seeing a post stating Slipstream was a mix between Sci-fi and Literary Fiction.
Slipstream is not a simple combination of literary and sci-fi. Experiemental Slipstream is more about word-style and how the words and thoughts are presented. And how those things make the reader feel. It tends to be perception-changing. Also tends to explore the non-real aspect of a story. As opposed to magical realism, which assumes magic is real and therefore nothing has to be mentioned of the possibility of unreal. Another indication that it may be slipstream is that the quality of the writing may be characterized by dissonance. It's often jaring. But not dissonant for the sake of disonance. The instance has to demand it in order to explain the mood of the piece or character. I suggest anyone who thinks their work may be experimental (not just Slipstream but any Experimental) to research the topic experimental literature. Scroll down to See Also for links to the various experimental forms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_literature Remember, Experimental Writers are innovative. They rely on their own thoughts to determine the rules of their work. That means another person cannot easily determine an experimental writer's genre. It comes from within. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interstitial, btw, is a designation for experimental, not mixed genre. Though a simplified view of interstitial is mixed genre, that is not what it has become. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstitial_art: The interstitial arts movement (from above link). In the mid-1990s, Delia Sherman, Ellen Kushner, Terri Windling, Heinz Insu Fenkl, Midori Snyder, Kelly Link, Gavin Grant, Gregory Frost, Theodora Goss, Veronica Schanoes, Carolyn Dunn,Colson Whitehead, and other American writers interested in fantastic literature found themselves commiserating over the common perception that the genre-oriented publishing industry found it difficult to market truly innovative fiction involving unusual, fantastical, or cross-genre elements—because the mainstream literary fiction field demanded stories based in realism, while the fantasy field demanded stories that mostly followed the standard conventions of sword and sorcery or high fantasy. Yet it seemed to the authors that some of the best literature was that which didn't quite fit tidily into either category but instead was being discussed in terms of more amorphous, "in-between" descriptors such as "magic realism," "mythic fiction," or "the New Weird." Further, the idea of interstitiality applied to other kinds of "in-between" fiction (unrelated to fantasy) and other "in-between" arts. Over a period of several years, Kushner and Sherman prompted ongoing discussion about the importance of cultivating artistic "in-betweenness" led to the formulation of the broad concept of interstitial art. In 2002, literary scholar Heinz Insu Fenkl founded ISIS: The Interstitial Studies Institute at the State University of New York at New Paltz, and in 2003-04, Sherman & Kushner and some of their colleagues established the Interstitial Arts Foundation, a 501c(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to developing community and support for artists, arts-industry professionals and audiences whose creative pursuits are interstitial in nature. __________________
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figuring it all out
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