Pre-censoring a first draft? What's that mean?

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Would anyone mind telling me what pre-censoring stuff on a first draft means? And why is it bad? I've left out a lot of things out of my first draft because they're just useless fillers. They just don't serve plot like I thought they would do. It's either I delete them or not write them at all, but still fantasize stuff in my head.
 
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Not heard that term before, but I'd think it's deciding in advance what is or isn't going in your book.

I can't see why that would be bad - it pretty much describes an outline lol. Unless you're not putting in something that should be in there?

Where did you get that from Blue?
 

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I don't know what pre-censoring means in the context you encountered it, but for me, it would mean not writing something because I thought it was too radical or experimental or edgy. In other words, I'd censor myself rather than wait for someone else to censor me. In general, I try not to do that, though obviously there's a fine line here.
 

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I'm not sure. :) Maybe it means don't leave out the stuff you think might be controversial because then you'll be less likely to put it in later.

Or it could be a reminder to go ahead and just write, instead of worrying about things like "Oh I shouldn't start that sentence with a gerund" or "That dialogue tag is bad" -- because if you worry too much about that sort of thing while writing a first draft, it can take forever. It's like those authors who say that you should give yourself permission to write crap when you're writing a first draft.
 

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That's called a facepalm. :D
No, that would be where my face falls into my palm :D






Thing is, I don't really care about markets, and I shouldn't just yet.
Then why the worry about pre-censoring? And where did you get it from? A context might help us decipher the meaning.
 

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Here.

I just didn't want to derail someone else's thread.

Here's what I meant. I have a romance scene with two completely different characters. It's a bit of a flashback thing. And since I didn't see how that scene helps with the story itself, I didn't write it.
 

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I thought it meant not writing something because you think you might later take it out because it's too edgy/radical/explicit/whatever. You can't decide whether or not this is the case if it doesn't exist, right? If it is too whatever, you take it out in the second draft.
 

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I think in that instance Blacbird was talking about what deciding not to do a scene at all in a first draft may be a bad idea - because once you start writing it more may well come to you. First drafts maybe you shouldn't worry about it to much - it can always be cut if it doesn't help the plot. You know, first get it written, then get it right?

Which is what you should be doing. :D Besides, any writing is not wasted - it's all practise for the next bit of writing, right?
I have a romance scene with two completely different characters. It's a bit of a flashback thing. And since I didn't see how that scene helps with the story itself, I didn't write it.

You may not know until after it's written how it helps the plot. Where's the harm in writing it out and seeing where it goes?
 

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You may not know until after it's written how it helps the plot. Where's the harm in writing it out and seeing where it goes?
Since it's not from the MC's POV. I just saw this as a filler.

Thing is, I fear if I just kept writing fillers like this, I'd never reach the end.
 

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I've said it before and I'll said it again: you can't drive with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake. Pre-censoring means driving with your foot on the brake. Write first, edit later.
 

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I didn't censor the second draft of Secret October at all. In fact, it's probably too dark and will need to be scaled back. (But I write horror tales, so even a scaled back version is a lot darker than non-horror!)
 

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Would anyone mind telling me what pre-censoring stuff on a first draft means?

I've had this problem for years because of short story writing. My goal was to try to write a publishable first draft, so I would try to write the story as perfect as possible. I'd self-edit as I wrote the first draft and leave things out because I wanted to make sure I made the word count. This, instead of writing it out and letting there be a revision where I could cut.


And why is it bad?

I pay for it now with novels because, where other people might run 10K over and edit down for a better story, I always end up having to add 10-15K into the story to fill in the places where I've left stuff out (and that's while still editing it down). When I did my last project, I constantly had to prompt myself not to self-edit as I was writing it.


I've left out a lot of things out of my first draft because they're just useless fillers. They just don't serve plot like I thought they would do. It's either I delete them or not write them at all, but still fantasize stuff in my head.

That's different. You tried out some things and they didn't work.
 

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Since it's not from the MC's POV. I just saw this as a filler.

Thing is, I fear if I just kept writing fillers like this, I'd never reach the end.

Sit down, shut up, and write. Come back when you've got a completed first draft. Until then, you're just wasting your own time with questions that aren't doing anything but helping you procrastinate. If you want to be a pro, write. There is no other way.
 

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Blue, with a first draft you may not know until the end what is filler and what isn't - that scene if you write it may turn out to be THE scene, ya know ( this has happened to me more than once.)

Write
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Start
Now
Keep
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Worry
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Rewrite

k? Because you can't edit a blank page.
 

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Since it's not from the MC's POV. I just saw this as a filler.

Thing is, I fear if I just kept writing fillers like this, I'd never reach the end.

First draft, everything needs to be written.
Even if it's not in the MC's POV.
So, write everything, the end will arrive when it's the proper place for it.
 

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Sorry, but your font wasn't quite large enough...

Sit down, shut up, and write. Come back when you've got a completed first draft. Until then, you're just wasting your own time with questions that aren't doing anything but helping you procrastinate. If you want to be a pro, write. There is no other way.
 

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I have this problem too.

I'm trying to figure out what belongs in the story and what doesn't.
Um...What are fillers?
 

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I could see (hi, all--by the way, I've been off on my honeymoon and missed you all...most of you...anyways hello again) how this "pre-censoring" business could be troublesome in quantifiable doses; a scene easily becomes static, predictable, cardboard, etc. because the writer pre-packages the story into a concept rather than letting it breathe.

On the flip, aren't we constantly doing that? I would say pre-censoring does come in SOME shape or form, no matter how hard you try to let your story go everywhere at once.

What I mean is (hello I haven't written in over a week and some might see that as a good thing for the world...reacquainting myself with the ol' keyboard now...)--what I mean is--you have to choose SOME kind of direction, and though first drafts are sketchy rather than shiny and packaged, you're already thinking in terms of the whole. You're already making choices, thus silencing other possible scenes and ideas.

I think the bad kind is when you're too timid and afraid to let a scene go somewhere scary that may not work just to please your editor brain.

Maybe the love scene between the shark and the squid will get dumped on the fourth draft (it would take me that long to justify cutting an underwater interracial sex romp). So what? You've got that scene for something else. Expound it, send it to lit mags just to imagine the looks on their faces when they print out a rejection slip and shove it in the mailbox. They're trying to wash the thoughts out of their head with a brillo pad all night.

And isn't that an achievement in itself?

Note to readers: if anyone would be willing to send me on ANOTHER honeymoon, I will gladly keep my disturbed fingers away from the keyboard. Let's make a deal here.
 

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That's a good question right now.
I have this problem too.

I'm trying to figure out what belongs in the story and what doesn't.
Um...What are fillers?

Fillers are scenes that don't add to the story, that are just there to pad the word count. Think meatloaf. Filler would be anything that wasn't meat and didn't help keep the loaf together. It's just there to make more of it.


Question for Blue: How many words have you written this year?
 

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Fillers are scenes that don't add to the story, that are just there to pad the word count. Think meatloaf. Filler would be anything that wasn't meat and didn't help keep the loaf together. It's just there to make more of it.

I often don't realize something is filler until after I've written it. I often need to view the entire finished draft as a whole before I can judge whether a particular part is filler. That's why so many people advise writing first and editing later.

I always have to cut out stuff during revision. But writing everything in the first draft ensures that I cut out the right stuff.
 

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That's a good question right now.
Yes, that's true, but Hikari asked what filler was... not whether or not to worry about it in first draft. ;)

It's equally true that some people know they don't have enough material for a novel -- only a novella or a long short story -- but they so want to write a novel that they stuff it with filler rather than write the story the length it should be.
 
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