The Newer Never-Ending PublishAmerica Thread - Page 143

Gillhoughly · 11-10-2010, 12:51 AM

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Interesting that PA might have finally slipped up and violated their own contract thus giving back the rights to all those books.

Dear Ex-PA writers and future ex-PA writers,

Here's your chance to cut free! They screwed up--take advantage of it.

Get screen caps as proof they're in breach of contract and GO FOR FREEDOM!

victoriastrauss · 11-10-2010, 03:31 AM

I don't think anyone should be jumping to conclusions about contract breaches. Books vanishing from a publisher's website, even for an extended period of time, doesn't necessarily add up to discontinued publication. Plus, an author's say-so doesn't make it so; PA can always present some kind of counter argument.

It might be interesting to test this, but lawyers would have to be involved.

- Victoria

ResearchGuy · 11-10-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by victoriastrauss

. . . It might be interesting to test this, but lawyers would have to be involved.

- Victoria

Maybe a collection is in order, to fund such a test. All the better if a lawyer would take it on pro bono.

--Ken

Sepisllib · 11-10-2010, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gillhoughly

Dear Ex-PA writers and future ex-PA writers,

Here's your chance to cut free! They screwed up--take advantage of it.

Get screen caps as proof they're in breach of contract and GO FOR FREEDOM!

Will keep you posted when, or if, I receive a reply.

I am sure they, PA, will have a great answer for this one.

Just thought the time was good to call them on it.

God Bless

Bill

victoriastrauss · 11-10-2010, 04:48 AM

Prepare for a "tone" letter.

- Victoria

Gillhoughly · 11-10-2010, 05:01 AM

And quote it in full here.

We've all had a chance to see how unprofessional responses are a bad thing to have on the Internet!

merrihiatt · 11-10-2010, 05:55 AM

IIRC, the terms of my contract with PA state that all promotion of the book is at PA's discretion. That would mean they are not required to have the book listed on their website. Not that I'm sticking up for PA (far from it), but that contract promises almost zero to the author. Almost everything is at PA's discretion. So, if a book (or twenty) doesn't show up in their online bookstore, I don't think it's actually a breach of contract. Making the book available is different than marketing or promoting it. The book is still available, just not online or in any kind of easy-to-find way, sadly.

Marie Pacha · 11-11-2010, 01:27 AM

PublishAmerica's "official" Facebook page has an interesting thread going. Enter PublishAmerica Book Publisher in the Facebook Search window.

Sepisllib · 11-11-2010, 02:56 AM

After spending most of the day in La Crosse Wisconsin (Gunderson Hospital for appointment), I returned home to find my reply - exactly as expected.

Here it is.
__________________________________________________ ______________

Dear Bill Trammell:

Thank you for your email. Your contracts for your books are not discontinued. We are currently having technical issues with our online bookstore and this is why your books are not showing up. We are in the process of correcting the issue and it should be resolved by the end of the week. Should you or anyone like to place an order for your books, you may do so by calling support at 301-695-1707 and we can place the order for you. I Thank you for your patience.

---------------------
Advertisement: PublishAmerica recommends "The Eden Effect" by Bryan Goings, a scientist discovers the Tree of Life: http://www.publishamerica.net/product93848.html.
---------------------

Thank you and have a good day,
Raymond
PublishAmerica Support
raymond@publishamerica.com

__________________________________________________ _____________

God Bless

Bill

Sepisllib · 11-13-2010, 06:51 PM

I won't post it here, however their response was the same as always. Give us $299 (for each one) and we will release it - we just need to cover our expenses.

God Bless

Bill

JulieB · 11-13-2010, 06:57 PM

Wonder how much someone paid to get that ad at the bottom of the support email?

PVish · 11-13-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JulieB

Wonder how much someone paid to get that ad at the bottom of the support email?

$32.95 for 260 pages?! Is this the lowered price?

On Amazon.com, it's a mere $27.95, but it's "temporarily out of stock."

merrihiatt · 11-19-2010, 01:53 AM

PA has their newest offering, The Published Chefs' Cookbook, on their front page. I went to Amazon to see if it was listed or had the search inside feature. No and no. PA can't even seem to promote their own books!

Alphabeter · 11-20-2010, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by merrihiatt

... PA can't even seem to promote their own books!

Don't you take that tone with us. ANY book printed by PA can be a bestseller as long as the author(s) promote it. Promotion=$=Sales
So if you buy our book, we'll promote your book and we get rich.

Sepisllib · 11-20-2010, 02:38 PM

Guess I don't understand this particular post - do you have a book published (and I say that with difficulty) by PA?

God Bless

Bill

Christine N. · 11-20-2010, 04:51 PM

Sep, that was sarcasm.

kullervo · 11-20-2010, 07:30 PM

It was the Voice of PublishAmerica! *thunder rumbles*

CatSlave · 11-20-2010, 07:50 PM

Sounded more like someone passing wind....

(sorry)

Sepisllib · 11-21-2010, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatSlave

Sounded more like someone passing wind....

(sorry)

You mean - like a "Tornado?"

God Bless

Bill

James D. Macdonald · 11-21-2010, 04:50 AM

By the way, whatever happened to "Independence Books"?

Unimportant · 11-21-2010, 05:19 AM

The PublishAmerica website and Independence Books website are now exactly the same.

Alphabeter · 11-21-2010, 06:55 AM

Thats because the new 3D glasses haven't started being promoted yet. Then you'll see both sites have their place.

Coming SOON+

See your words in 3D!!!!

No longer content with mere 2D reading? NEW PAYPERDPA Imprint books will be printed in special ink. Order five copies now and EACH will ship* with their own super spechul 3D glasses.

What makes a story pop to Hollywood? An author-signed copy! We can ship* every 3D novel to your address with all the forwarding information so every single A-list star in Hollywood can be blessed by your words in exciting 3D!

Only those using coupon PAYPER will be considered eligible. No other form of novel will be printed+ until all 3D copies have been sold. Minimum purchase is five copies. All orders final. Credit Cards accepted as long as your sign despute charge waiver for shipping purposes.

If that was the voice of PA, why did it sound like Barney Fife farting out of balance? {sic}

+Time of existence to be determined at publishers discretion
*Separate processing, handling, shipping, signing and filing charges will apply

James D. Macdonald · 11-21-2010, 08:56 AM

Exactly the same? So much for removing the stigma of being published by PublishAmerica, eh?

Katrina S. Forest · 11-21-2010, 03:48 PM

I haven't been to PA's site in a while, so I apologize if someone made note of this already.

Is it just me or is the quote on their front page under the heading "Publish America did a fantastic job" not actually that much of a compliment? It pretty much says, "I thought publishers did things besides print books, but now PA's told me they don't, so I think PA did a great job doing absolutely nothing except print my book."

If that's the best they can get anyone to say about them, I shudder to think what their complaints look like. Either that or the quote's only up there to hold as an example of how authors should be grateful despite getting none of the things they expected.

Neil Larkins · 11-23-2010, 08:31 AM

Been kinda quiet on the PA stuff, eh what? Here's a thingy:
Give PA a hundred bucks and that'll get your book into the Amazon Studios Project. Ain't got time t'nite to give it all to you, the email I got, but probably a lot on PA's site. Anyone else?

11-10-2010, 03:31 AM	#3552
victoriastrauss Writer Beware Goddess Absolute Sage Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Far from the madding crowd Posts: 6,313	I don't think anyone should be jumping to conclusions about contract breaches. Books vanishing from a publisher's website, even for an extended period of time, doesn't necessarily add up to discontinued publication. Plus, an author's say-so doesn't make it so; PA can always present some kind of counter argument. It might be interesting to test this, but lawyers would have to be involved. - Victoria __________________ Victoria Strauss www.victoriastrauss.com Writer Beware: www.writerbeware.com Writer Beware Blog: www.accrispin.blogspot.com Follow me on Twitter

11-10-2010, 04:48 AM	#3555
victoriastrauss Writer Beware Goddess Absolute Sage Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Far from the madding crowd Posts: 6,313	Prepare for a "tone" letter. - Victoria __________________ Victoria Strauss www.victoriastrauss.com Writer Beware: www.writerbeware.com Writer Beware Blog: www.accrispin.blogspot.com Follow me on Twitter

11-10-2010, 05:55 AM	#3557
merrihiatt Writing! Writing! Writing! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest, Washington Posts: 3,320	IIRC, the terms of my contract with PA state that all promotion of the book is at PA's discretion. That would mean they are not required to have the book listed on their website. Not that I'm sticking up for PA (far from it), but that contract promises almost zero to the author. Almost everything is at PA's discretion. So, if a book (or twenty) doesn't show up in their online bookstore, I don't think it's actually a breach of contract. Making the book available is different than marketing or promoting it. The book is still available, just not online or in any kind of easy-to-find way, sadly. __________________ Amazon Barnes & Noble Smashwords iTunes Sony All Romance Goodreads Facebook Website

11-13-2010, 06:57 PM	#3561
JulieB I grow my own catnip Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Deep in the heart o' Texas Posts: 2,248	Wonder how much someone paid to get that ad at the bottom of the support email? __________________ The Steam Cat is in!! It's Blog! Everyone loves a Blog!

11-19-2010, 01:53 AM	#3563
merrihiatt Writing! Writing! Writing! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest, Washington Posts: 3,320	PA has their newest offering, The Published Chefs' Cookbook, on their front page. I went to Amazon to see if it was listed or had the search inside feature. No and no. PA can't even seem to promote their own books! __________________ Amazon Barnes & Noble Smashwords iTunes Sony All Romance Goodreads Facebook Website

11-10-2010, 05:01 AM	#3556
Gillhoughly Grumpy writer and editor Absolute Sage Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Getting blitzed at Gillhoughly's Reef, Haleakaloha. Posts: 4,854	And quote it in full here. We've all had a chance to see how unprofessional responses are a bad thing to have on the Internet!

11-11-2010, 01:27 AM	#3558
Marie Pacha Still a work in progress Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 828	PublishAmerica's "official" Facebook page has an interesting thread going. Enter PublishAmerica Book Publisher in the Facebook Search window.

11-11-2010, 02:56 AM	#3559
Sepisllib Truth, gentle or not! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cresco, Iowa Posts: 131	After spending most of the day in La Crosse Wisconsin (Gunderson Hospital for appointment), I returned home to find my reply - exactly as expected. Here it is. __________________________________________________ ______________ Dear Bill Trammell: Thank you for your email. Your contracts for your books are not discontinued. We are currently having technical issues with our online bookstore and this is why your books are not showing up. We are in the process of correcting the issue and it should be resolved by the end of the week. Should you or anyone like to place an order for your books, you may do so by calling support at 301-695-1707 and we can place the order for you. I Thank you for your patience. --------------------- Advertisement: PublishAmerica recommends "The Eden Effect" by Bryan Goings, a scientist discovers the Tree of Life: http://www.publishamerica.net/product93848.html. --------------------- Thank you and have a good day, Raymond PublishAmerica Support raymond@publishamerica.com __________________________________________________ _____________ God Bless Bill

11-13-2010, 06:51 PM	#3560
Sepisllib Truth, gentle or not! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cresco, Iowa Posts: 131	I won't post it here, however their response was the same as always. Give us $299 (for each one) and we will release it - we just need to cover our expenses. God Bless Bill

11-20-2010, 02:38 PM	#3565
Sepisllib Truth, gentle or not! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cresco, Iowa Posts: 131	Guess I don't understand this particular post - do you have a book published (and I say that with difficulty) by PA? God Bless Bill

11-20-2010, 04:51 PM	#3566
Christine N. is not the avatar thief Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 7,625	Sep, that was sarcasm. __________________ Christine Young Adult Fantasy Author The Sword of Danu (The Library of Athena, Book Four): Get yours TODAY! YA Historical Fantasy/Fairy-Tale Adaptation - HAS AN AGENT! I tweet Young Adult Authors You've Never Heard Of

11-20-2010, 07:30 PM	#3567
kullervo minion Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Princeville, Kauai Posts: 940	It was the Voice of PublishAmerica! thunder rumbles __________________ http://www.loreleiarmstrong.com http://www.kullervo.com http://www.sbwriters.com/conference/...tml?staffid=29

11-20-2010, 07:50 PM	#3568
CatSlave Mah tale iz draggin. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paradise Found: Bradenton, FL Posts: 3,710	Sounded more like someone passing wind.... (sorry) __________________ How PA treats its authors: Oh, stop the whining and contact support@publishamerica.com like everyone else. PA authors CAN fight back. File a complaint with your credit card company. Have a question? Who can you trust? Absolute Write, Writer Beware and Preditors & Editors

11-21-2010, 04:50 AM	#3570
James D. Macdonald Your Genial Uncle Absolute Sage Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 21,575	By the way, whatever happened to "Independence Books"? __________________ "The Clockwork Trollop" by Debra Doyle & James D. Macdonald Free online. Text and podcast.

11-21-2010, 05:19 AM	#3571
Unimportant but appreciated anyway... Join Date: May 2005 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 4,328	The PublishAmerica website and Independence Books website are now exactly the same.

11-21-2010, 06:55 AM	#3572
Alphabeter Player of the Letters Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 947	Sarcasm Rehash Scramble Thats because the new 3D glasses haven't started being promoted yet. Then you'll see both sites have their place. Coming SOON+ See your words in 3D!!!! No longer content with mere 2D reading? NEW PAYPERDPA Imprint books will be printed in special ink. Order five copies now and EACH will ship* with their own super spechul 3D glasses. What makes a story pop to Hollywood? An author-signed copy! We can ship* every 3D novel to your address with all the forwarding information so every single A-list star in Hollywood can be blessed by your words in exciting 3D! Only those using coupon PAYPER will be considered eligible. No other form of novel will be printed+ until all 3D copies have been sold. Minimum purchase is five copies. All orders final. Credit Cards accepted as long as your sign despute charge waiver for shipping purposes. If that was the voice of PA, why did it sound like Barney Fife farting out of balance? {sic} +Time of existence to be determined at publishers discretion Separate processing, handling, shipping, signing and filing charges will apply __________________ Joy* Writing is a lot like sex. At first you do it because you like it. Then you find yourself doing it for a few close friends and people you like. But if you're any good at all...you end up doing it for money.

11-21-2010, 08:56 AM	#3573
James D. Macdonald Your Genial Uncle Absolute Sage Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 21,575	Exactly the same? So much for removing the stigma of being published by PublishAmerica, eh? __________________ "The Clockwork Trollop" by Debra Doyle & James D. Macdonald Free online. Text and podcast.

11-21-2010, 03:48 PM	#3574
Katrina S. Forest Wait, didn't I kill that character? Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Querying Central Posts: 1,558	I haven't been to PA's site in a while, so I apologize if someone made note of this already. Is it just me or is the quote on their front page under the heading "Publish America did a fantastic job" not actually that much of a compliment? It pretty much says, "I thought publishers did things besides print books, but now PA's told me they don't, so I think PA did a great job doing absolutely nothing except print my book." If that's the best they can get anyone to say about them, I shudder to think what their complaints look like. Either that or the quote's only up there to hold as an example of how authors should be grateful despite getting none of the things they expected. __________________ My synopsis thinks it's so tough. Come on over and beat it down. "So we must daily keep things wound: that is, we must pray when prayer seems dry as dust; we must write when we are physically tired, when our hearts are heavy" -Madeleine L'Engle

11-23-2010, 08:31 AM	#3575
Neil Larkins figuring it all out Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 73	Hunnerd smackers gets you what? Been kinda quiet on the PA stuff, eh what? Here's a thingy: Give PA a hundred bucks and that'll get your book into the Amazon Studios Project. Ain't got time t'nite to give it all to you, the email I got, but probably a lot on PA's site. Anyone else? __________________ Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all its students. __________ MOUSE HOLE A novella by Neil Larkins http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/57848

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