Teens Writing For Teens (v2)

[Parametric]

Originally Posted by Glorium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls

Watch that honestly, and tell me how you feel afterward?

I know it's pro-life, but fact is fact.

I don't see a single fact in that entire video. Emotive shots of sad-looking women and/or happy skipping children. Thrilling music. Allegations that family planning groups are involved in some vast socialist conspiracy to get women pregnant and make them abort their babies en masse. No facts, no substantiation, no evidence.

It's not only pro-life, it's a pro-life conspiracy video.

[Zoombie]

Originally Posted by Glorium

Zoom; I don't think any of us do.
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I meant in america at large. AO is an entirely Christian fundi thing, and its creepy how creepily its crept into our schools.

[Zoombie]

Um, I'm pro-choice (apparently) but that does not mean I want to have an abortion or to have anyone else have an abortion. If anything, I want there to be as few as possible.

[chocowrites]

I had A.G.E starting in 4th grade (I was eight) and then again in 6th grade. Since then, nada.

How is AO a Christian thing?

[Horserider]

You know why pro-choice is called pro-choice? Because anti-life doesn't sound right. Of course the flip could be true...

[Zoombie]

I actually got really annoyed at a teacher of mine for calling it anti-choice. I pointed out that that was a meanspirited and militent thing to do, and to do so would only piss them off and make them less likely to listen too you.

[Becky]

Originally Posted by Zoombie

Um, I'm pro-choice (apparently) but that does not mean I want to have an abortion or to have anyone else have an abortion. If anything, I want there to be as few as possible.

This is my stance - I don't think anyone wants abortions to happen, and that's why I think informative sex education is important. Hopefully that way abortions are kept to a minimum (I realise this is idealisitic). Still, I believe in the woman's right to choose.

[Imbroglio]

Originally Posted by Parametric

I don't see a single fact in that entire video. Emotive shots of sad-looking women and/or happy skipping children. Thrilling music. Allegations that family planning groups are involved in some vast socialist conspiracy to get women pregnant and make them abort their babies en masse. No facts, no substantiation, no evidence.

It's not only pro-life, it's a pro-life conspiracy video.

Most of these people are retired Planned Parenthood workers.

How is that a conspiracy?

[Parametric]

Originally Posted by Horserider

You know why pro-choice is called pro-choice? Because anti-life doesn't sound right. Of course the flip could be true...

Once again:

Originally Posted by Parametric

Nobody "believes in" abortion, as in: "Great! Today's the day we get to butcher an unborn foetus!"

People "believe in" not dictating to another person whether they should be forced to harbour a parasitic organism within their body, despite the medical risks and physical effects, for the next nine months, at which point they have to suffer through an incredibly painful and dangerous procedure to produce an unwanted baby to add to the countless numbers of unwanted babies in the world.

It's called pro-choice because we believe in choice. Not because we have an uncontrollable hunger to run out there and murder children.

[chocowrites]

Somehow, the phrase "parasitic organism" doesn't sit with me very well. They're babies, not ticks...

[Imbroglio]

Originally Posted by Becky

This is my stance - I don't think anyone wants abortions to happen, and that's why I think informative sex education is important. Hopefully that way abortions are kept to a minimum (I realise this is idealisitic). Still, I believe in the woman's right to choose.

I disagree.

I think there are plenty of people who want Abortion to occur.

[Parametric]

Originally Posted by Glorium

Most of these people are retired Planned Parenthood workers.

How is that a conspiracy?

I think alleging that Planned Parenthood was designed solely to engineer huge numbers of unwanted pregnancies so they could abort the babies for cash is an unbelievable and frankly offensive allegation, which is indeed a conspiracy theory.

For some reason they couldn't find time to name the supposed retired Planned Parenthood workers in their videos, or to provide any evidence about what is supposedly going on there. It's curious that none of this supposed mass-murder conspiracy has come to light before. Maybe the mass media are all baby-murderers who refuse to report on the obvious atrocities because they just hate life.

Alternatively, this is a slick conspiracy video in the theme of Loose Change or the people who think the moon landings are faked.

[Imbroglio]

Originally Posted by Parametric

I think alleging that Planned Parenthood was designed solely to engineer huge numbers of unwanted pregnancies so they could abort the babies for cash is an unbelievable and frankly offensive allegation, which is indeed a conspiracy theory.

For some reason they couldn't find time to name the supposed retired Planned Parenthood workers in their videos, or to provide any evidence about what is supposedly going on there. It's curious that none of this supposed mass-murder conspiracy has come to light before. Maybe the mass media are all baby-murderers who refuse to report on the obvious atrocities because they just hate life.

Alternatively, this is a slick conspiracy video in the theme of Loose Change or the people who think the moon landings are faked.

The operative word is THINK. Just because you don't think it doesn't make it untrue, and besides, you haven't seen the movie, you don't really know what else it has to offer.

[Zoombie]

Originally Posted by chocowrites

How is AO a Christian thing?

Way back in the 10th century and earlier, a system called Fudalism came up. It was strongly based on divine providence, meaning that those at the top got there because god wanted them to be there.

Now, these people had bloodlines and they had to keep their bloodlines pure for one very important reason: LAND!

You had to KNOW who your land was going too, and no one wanted to give their land to a kid fathered by some other berk. And so, having a virgin wife was the best safeguard, and so boinking before marrige was rapidly made a sin by the Church.

We don't treat women like property anymore, we are not tied to land...and yet we cling to marrige and outdated, pointless, demeaning, sexist traditions...why?

Get married if you want, but don't look down on those that choose not too. Don't deny yourself pleasure just because some sexist prigs back in Europe, centuries ago, decided that women's only value was in spitting out babies (more specifically, your babies.)

Now, modern marrige is actually quite different from what past marriages were. Its no longer arranged, men can't LEGALLY RAPE THEIR WIVES, and the marriages can be dissolved if people are not happy with them.

Also, we live a great deal longer than they used too back then (40 used to be OLD. Now, its the halfway point)...that's changed how relationships work, definitely.

Also, we get married later in life than we used too!

Marriages were usually around 24 for men and 13 or 14 for the girls.

Oh, and men didn't need to stay virgins either. Only the girls. Cause, well, it didn't matter how many bastards the men sired, only the women cause women were only good for making babies.



God the past really sucked...

[chocowrites]

I think it's a huge over generalization to say that only Christians are for abstinence, though...other religions are against women doing it before they're married.

Although part of what you said made sense: that men wanted to make sure their children were really their's so they didn't want women doing it before marriage...

[Imbroglio]

That really doesn't explain how AO is a christian thing only?

Truth is, it's not. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism believe in abstinence before marriage. In hinduism, it's a little complicated though.

[Zoombie]

Yes, and if America was 75% Islamic, then we'd have something to talk about.

[Imbroglio]

Originally Posted by Zoombie

Yes, and if America was 75% Islamic, then we'd have something to talk about.

It doesn't matter.

Population of Christians in America doesn't change the fact that other people believe in Abstinence. It is not a Christian invention.

[Skye Jules]

Originally Posted by Zoombie

Way back in the 10th century and earlier, a system called Fudalism came up. It was strongly based on divine providence, meaning that those at the top got there because god wanted them to be there.

Now, these people had bloodlines and they had to keep their bloodlines pure for one very important reason: LAND!

You had to KNOW who your land was going too, and no one wanted to give their land to a kid fathered by some other berk. And so, having a virgin wife was the best safeguard, and so boinking before marrige was rapidly made a sin by the Church.

We don't treat women like property anymore, we are not tied to land...and yet we cling to marrige and outdated, pointless, demeaning, sexist traditions...why?

Get married if you want, but don't look down on those that choose not too. Don't deny yourself pleasure just because some sexist prigs back in Europe, centuries ago, decided that women's only value was in spitting out babies (more specifically, your babies.)

Now, modern marrige is actually quite different from what past marriages were. Its no longer arranged, men can't LEGALLY RAPE THEIR WIVES, and the marriages can be dissolved if people are not happy with them.

Also, we live a great deal longer than they used too back then (40 used to be OLD. Now, its the halfway point)...that's changed how relationships work, definitely.

Also, we get married later in life than we used too!

Marriages were usually around 24 for men and 13 or 14 for the girls.

Oh, and men didn't need to stay virgins either. Only the girls. Cause, well, it didn't matter how many bastards the men sired, only the women cause women were only good for making babies.



God the past really sucked...

And sadly there are still men in America who believe in the past. I hope those men never procreate.

[chocowrites]

I'm all for feminism, and I don't see how abortion or not practicing abstinence benefits women. At all. And I don't think it's anyone's right to choose whether or not a unborn baby has the right to live, even the mother.

[Zoombie]

Originally Posted by Glorium

It doesn't matter.

Population of Christians in America doesn't change the fact that other people believe in Abstinence. It is not a Christian invention.

True.

Oh wait, looking at my comments, I...I was unclear.

The current abysmal state of America's teenage pregenecy rate can be blamed on the equally abysmal sex ed, which can be blamed on a group of right win christian fundies who snuck their ideology into our classrooms while we were not looking.

That's clearer.

[Imbroglio]

That's still not true though.

Most schools are liberal if anything, and do not teach AO. You'd find that maybe if you lived in an abnormally conservative county, or a crazy teacher, but in general, that is not the case.

[Zoombie]

What I've seen is a hue upswing in Abstinence Only.

We should find statistics.

But I'm slightly too busy being pantsless...

[Imbroglio]

30% of the the principals of public middle schools and high schools
where sex education is taught report that their schools teach abstinence-only. Forty-seven percent
of their schools taught abstinence-plus, while 20% taught that making responsible decisions
about sex was more important than abstinence. (Middle schools were more likely to teach
abstinence-only than high schools. High schools were more likely than middle schools to teach
abstinence-plus. High schools and middle schools were equally likely to teach that abstinence is
not the most important thing.)

That's more than a super-majority of non-AO teaching schools.

[Zoombie]

I still say any AO in schools is unhealthy.