Bye Bye, Slush Pile Dream

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703414504575001271351446274.html

Now, slush is dead, or close to extinction. Film and television producers won't read anything not certified by an agent because producers are afraid of being accused of stealing ideas and material. Most book publishers have stopped accepting book proposals that are not submitted by agents. Magazines say they can scarcely afford the manpower to cull through the piles looking for the Next Big Thing.

It wasn't supposed to be this way. The Web was supposed to be a great democratizer of media. Anyone with a Flip and Final Cut Pro could be a filmmaker; anyone with a blog a memoirist. But rather than empowering unknown artists, the Web is often considered by talent-seeking executives to be an unnavigable morass.

Thoughts on how information like this changes your approach, if at all and on how the industry is changing?
 

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I think we have enough counter examples within the recent history of AW to declare this b#llocks
 

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On the one side, don't believe everything you read. Don't believe anything you read, until after you check it out for yourself.

On the other side, who the heck said it wasn't supposed to be this way? The number one way computers, word processors, and the internet had to bring in millions of new wannabe writers because it became so easy to write something and add it to the slush piles.

Slush piles were never a good thing, they were, however, the only thing, the only way it could be done. Now there are other ways to find good writers, so why deal with slush when you don't have to do so?
 

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And yet it's interesting how many debut authors are appearing on the shelves. One reason I've heard for the sudden rush of debuts is that it's less expensive for a pub to take a chance on a new talent than to pay larger and larger advances for an author just selling through. Don't know if it's true, but it makes sense.

But I do agree with the article that there are a LOT more people entering into the field. It might be because of the economy. People with time on their hands want to find a secondary source of income (or, in many cases, a primary source.) Thankfully, I don't fear the success of others. It just makes me step up my game to stay on the field. :)
 

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WSJ:
rather than empowering unknown artists, the Web is often considered by talent-seeking executives to be an unnavigable morass

That's probably because the web is an unnavigable morass. Where does WSJ think talent-seeking execs should go on the web to find unknown artists? Do they all hang out on one website, or are they instead scattered around the ether?

WSJ:
It does create an incredibly difficult Catch-22 on both sides, particularly for new writers wanting to get their work seen," says Hannah Minghella, president of production for Sony Pictures Animation

Have those new writers tried contacting an agent?

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As writers try to find an agent—a feat harder than ever to accomplish in the wake of agency consolidations and layoffs

Eh? There may be more manuscripts being submitted to agencies because of the recession (with people seeing writing as a fast way of making a buck), but agency consolidations and layoffs does not automatically mean that fewer new manuscripts are being seen. So far as I'm aware, the only limit as to the number of authors an agent can take on is the maximum they feel they can devote sufficient time and attention to.

WSJ:
At William Morris Endeavor Entertainment, Adriana Alberghetti only reads scripts sent to her by producers, managers and lawyers whose taste she knows and trusts. The agent says she receives 30 unsolicited e-mails a day from writers and people she doesn't know who are pushing unknown writers, and she hits "delete" without opening. These days, she is taking on few "baby writers," she says, adding that risks she would have taken five years ago she won't today. "I'll take very few shots on a new voice. It's tough out there right now," she says.

That's one agent at one agency. It therefore cannot be taken as representative of the industry. Plenty of agencies are open to queries from new writers and you don't need a recommendation first.

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A primary aim of the slush pile used to be to discover unpublished voices. But today, writing talent isn't necessarily enough. It helps to have a big-media affiliation, or be effective on TV.

It's always helped to have a big media affiliation or be effective on TV (or better yet, have your own show on TV). However those people are few and far between and agents and publishers recognise that a good book is a good book, regardless of whether it's produced by a telegenic supermodel or John Merrick's clone.

WSJ:
"These days, you need to deliver not just the manuscript but the audience," says Mr. Levine. "More and more, the mantra in publishing is 'Ask not what your publisher can do for you, ask what you can do for your publisher.'"

For non-fiction, yes - it helps. But fiction has established markets and established audiences.

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The first, "The Reaper," came out in July and sold moderately well. Last November, the publisher released another Authonomy offering, a young adult book called "Fairytale of New York," which has sold over 100,000 copies and is a best seller in Britain. HarperCollins also launched a similar platform for teen writers called "InkPop."

Fairtale of New York is not a YA book - it's chicklit and it was released through AVON, not Harper Collins main imprint. If WFS can't get the genre right, I'd question the sales figures.

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One slush stalwart—the Paris Review— has college interns and graduate students in the magazine's Tribeca loft-office read the 1,000 unsolicited works submitted each month.

Most magazines take unsolicited stories. It's how they secure their content.

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In 1958, Mr. Roth was an unknown who had barely been published when a short story called "The Conversion of the Jews" was plucked out of a heap at the Paris Review—by Rose Styron, wife of William. The next year it was published as part of "Goodbye, Columbus."

Wow. There's nothing like using a recent example of someone plucked from a publisher's slushpile who went on to achieve glory. Unfortunately, this is not that example.

MM
 

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All that's possibly changed is the location of the slush pile.

Yep. Except for some smaller publishers and certain genres, most of us have already been giving our slush to the agents...

As to what the web is supposed to be ... well, it isn't supposed to be anything.

Whut??

I was told it was for porn!!
 

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Slush piles were never a good thing, they were, however, the only thing, the only way it could be done. Now there are other ways to find good writers, so why deal with slush when you don't have to do so?

I'd like to counter - why go looking for writers when you have a whole stack of them in your office waiting to be discovered?

Honestly, I don't know of any other 'good' way to find writers. Those display sites are probably just as filled with bad writing as the slushpile is. No one's odds are any better by being on a display site, and if they honestly were good there wouldn't be so many of them (and I think some have tanked). Plus it's a huge red flag when an 'agent' or 'publisher' goes looking for writers because 10 times out of 10 they don't know what they're doing anyway. Yes it's tough out there, but the slush isn't going anywhere.
 

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It hasn't changed my approach at all, to be honest. I've always wanted to have an agent anyway for two reasons: 1) Somebody to pitch an unholy shit-fit on my behalf if the publisher does anything I don't like, and 2) somebody to (hopefully) arrange an auction or otherwise negotiate a more favorable contract that I just don't have the knowledge to negotiate on my own.

I do think the industry is changing thanks to technology -- not just the internet, but the ease of e-publishing for e-readers (or the future ease, at any rate.) But I think it's changing in the sense that it's going to start getting a lot more guarded. Having professional representation can be seen by many as a sign that the work and the author have already passed a kind of quality control -- they've already made the grade with somebody who (supposedly) knows the business and knows quality. That weeds out a lot, and the crop of weeds is getting larger the easier it is to publish and to expose one's writing to the world.
 

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It I've always wanted to have an agent anyway for two reasons: 1) Somebody to pitch an unholy shit-fit on my behalf if the publisher does anything I don't like...

Never mind reason two. I love people who will pitch unholy shit-fits on my behalf. Now I just have to find some. ;)
 

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To draw a parallel: people have been predicting the end of the world since the beginning of the world.

Same thing here.
 

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Now, slush is dead, or close to extinction. Film and television producers won't read anything not certified by an agent because producers are afraid of being accused of stealing ideas and material. Most book publishers have stopped accepting book proposals that are not submitted by agents. Magazines say they can scarcely afford the manpower to cull through the piles looking for the Next Big Thing.

Most of this isn't novels. That which is... now agents have a slush pile.

:: shrug ::
 

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I would just like to say how I find 'stealing ideas and material' to be ridiculous. There will still be hacks looking for trouble from best-selling authors and lazily written thinly disguised works, and I guess it's up to us to scoff at them as a discouragement.
 

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Oh look, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Again. Like it has every week for decades.
 

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Most of this isn't novels. That which is... now agents have a slush pile.

:: shrug ::

Well, to play devil's advocate, this, too has changed. In the bad old days, slush piles were mostly novel partials and full manuscripts. Almost every publisher out there accepted both.

Agents do not. Now you have to get through the query process before you can get into a real slush pile. I suppose you can technically call the queries slush, but it's nothing like the slush piles of the good old days.

Magazines still have slush piles for short stories, but most magazines also use the query process for nonfiction.

Slush piles certainly are not dead, but they are getting rarer, and probably will vanish completely one day, at least if you mean the old fashioned kind.
 

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Damn. Slush is dead? Then I just changed my username for nothing.
 

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So, agents surf the internet looking for new writers? Really? What do they look at? Blogs? E-zines? Individual vanity sites? The SYW forum here?

caw

No, but writers should be surfing the net looking for agents. Including twitter, agent blogs, etc.

The first contact with an agent or editor does not have to be through the slush pile now.

There are also one heck of a lot more conferences and seminars now, including ones held online.
 

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So, agents surf the internet looking for new writers? Really? What do they look at? Blogs? E-zines? Individual vanity sites? The SYW forum here?

caw

When I interned at a literary agency, my boss-agent had me scour blogs and journals for good writers/people with something interesting to write about, and contact those people to send something in. So yes, it does happen.
 

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So, agents surf the internet looking for new writers? Really? What do they look at? Blogs? E-zines? Individual vanity sites? The SYW forum here?

caw

If you have a hit blog or twitter feed, like Tucker Max or Gawker, you'll get calls from agents. It's basically like getting an agent by self-pubbing and selling 20,000 copies.
 
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