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But then again, PA's management contains idiots. Sure, they have a great scam going (better than LAG's), but they copied it from yet another. Smile, ILP, we're remembering you.
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Maybe it's just PA's thing about not wanting to have discussions of other areas. Or maybe it's because authors looking for further information on those scams are bound to wind up here.
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Your Genial Uncle
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What do you mean? The thread is still right there at the PublishAmerica Message Board:
http://bb.publishamerica.com/viewtopic.php?t=10363 There you can read, "These people are not players," "I can see scam all over this," and " Before committing any money, first ask what book or screenplay they have sold, and to whom."
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Justice For the Screenplay Agency and its Affiliates
Hi, all. Thank you for the eye opening news about The Screenplay Agency. I should have realized that any agent advertising honesty, integrity and service is too good to be true. Because, if anything seems too good to be true it usually is.
The Screenplay Agency et al are using the internet to commit interstate fraud, a felonious violation of Federal law. Has anyone filed a crimminal complaint? With who? The scripts these folks scam in can be read in a jail cell just as easily as in a boiler room. B/R Noel |
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Your Genial Uncle
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You can amend that to "... any agent advertising." The real agents have all the business they need through pure word-of-mouth. Anyone with Google Ads isn't selling books or screenplays to publishers or producers.
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Screenplay Agency
Gd. pt. James, thanks....
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Friend or Foe
I don't know. I think writers will always be their own worst enemies. As a rule I pay upwards of 5000 for what constitutes very little time from a script editor, so I can't see how 95 for a critique can be considered a scam.
Face it, agents don't sell scripts, they sell themselves. Agents can only ever facilitate. And considering how much effort you seem to have put into finding dirt, without success, I'd say there's a definite possibility that the screenplay agency could offer an excellent bastion for writers to exhibit their work. And what I've been reading here looks to me like the poison being spat by the frustration of your own failures. |
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Oh, not another one...
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Your Genial Uncle
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No, no, "Winter." What we've had no success at finding is sales. Of dirt there's plenty. Here's a sample: http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-063-01.pdf http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-021-01.pdf If you know of any screenplays Robert M. Fletcher has actually sold, now's the time and here's the place to post them. If not ... well, I'm not surprised.
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For anyone coming in late, the Screenplay Agency is one of a group of agencies run by Robert (Bobby) Fletcher, who was convicted of fraud*. The others are: Stylus Literary Agency (formerly Sydra Techniques, formerly ST Literary Agency) http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=929 http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529 The Children’s Literary Agency http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8312 http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8286 The Christian Literary Agency http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13514 The New York Literary Agency http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729 The Poets Literary Agency http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104 The front/mask/umbrella group is The Literary Agency Group, Inc. http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13517 *http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-063-01.pdf http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-021-01.pdf
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practical experience, FTW
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I just wanted to add that I have had my run in's with the screenplay agency myself. They do charge you money to get your script read by a third party. As soon as that happened I bolted.
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Your Genial Uncle
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I do want to thank "winter" for inviting my attention back to The Screenplay Agency's website.
New over there is the "Book-to-Film Special Division." Quote:
I wonder how much they charge for all this. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Oh, wait - does this mean honest script editors, or scammers? That might make a difference to my plans for riches. -Barbara |
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Whew! What an awakening!
I was on the verge of going through with this when I suddenly came across "absolutewrite.com" buzzing about this great scammer. Then, there's P&E's NOT RECOMMENDED warning! Oh my God!
The Screenplay Agency “Developing the Best Writers in the World” Greetings and Congratulations! The Screenplay Agency is prepared to offer you a contract for acceptance as our client for Agency Representation based on: 1) The screenplay you submitted, 2) the information that you have provided to us and the plan of action that we agreed upon, i.e. the Critique-Coverage process. In the sole opinion of the Literary Agency, if any of these items are inaccurate or misleading this contract may be withdrawn at any time. This contract offer is good for 14 business days from receipt. (This deadline can be automatically extended by 10 days if you contact us via email and request an extension). We give a deadline because we accept only a limited number of authors in any time period and we cannot have contracts “hanging out there”. Some authors ask “why did you accept me?” Based on our interactions, you have agreed to follow a plan of action that will lead to your work being of the highest quality, and we believe that our odds for success are greatly enhanced. In short, we believe that we can sell your work. We never promise a sale, but we do believe you have a solid chance of success. We look forward to working with you. Congratulations again. . Best regards, Sherry Fine – VP Acquisitions The Screenplay Agency p.s. What’s Next? Please execute two copies of the contract and send them, along with a note about your critique (date started, etc.) to the address in the contract. PLEASE send in the contract at the same time you are having your critique done. If you don’t have a critique already please contact adminScreenplay@writersliterary.com and you will receive our negotiated discount and priority turnaround. Once we have your critique and contract you will start working with the Agent who will be assigned to market your work. Ofc. 866-876-4488 www.TheScreenplayAgency.com 917-591-1916 Fax The Screenplay Agency “Developing the Best Writers in the World” AGREEMENT FOR LITERARY AGENT REPRESENTATION SCREENPLAY AGENCY: THE LITERARY AGENCY GROUP Page 1/3 of Contract This “Agreement” is between ______________________________ [the “Writer/Producer”] and The Literary Agency Group, Inc, dba The Screenplay Agency, Inc. [The “Agent”] as of _____________, 200__ (please enter the date you sign the contract) for only the work entitled: (Hereinafter “Work”) Other Works Should Be Submitted Separately Only After Approval Discuss Other Work Later with Your Agent NOW, THEREFORE, for the consideration set forth in this Agreement Agent and Writer intending to be legally bound hereby, mutually promise and agree as follows: The copyright and ownership is specifically retained by the author for this work and all author’s works submitted to, and accepted by, the Agent. The Writer does not grant to Agent or any other party any right, title or interest of any kind in any copyright, ownership and/or any other intellectual property right contained in or as a part of any work of the Writer submitted to the Agent. The Agent agrees to make no claim to any such right, title or interest, however denominated. The Writer warrants that he is the sole and exclusive owner of the Work and that the work does not infringe on any other copyright. The Writer agrees to indemnify Agent against any judgments, liabilities, damages or loss related to copyright or ownership. The term of this contract shall be one year from the above date and must be renewed in writing for each successive term. The Writer/Producer may terminate this Agreement after 90 consecutive days of no sale by Agent. Renewals and terminations via email are deemed acceptable. The rights granted in this pertain to written creative work prepared by the Writer/Producer for print, television, radio and motion pictures to be sold in the United States of America and Canada. The Writer/Producer may have other Agents in other countries. The Agent may not have any conflicts of interest with regard to any specific contract or employment negotiated under this Agreement. If any such conflict arises, he must relinquish his commission. The Agent is entitled to a ten percent [10%] commission on gross compensation accruing to the Writer/Producer from any contract negotiated under this Agreement. This paragraph shall survive termination of this Agreement. (This means that if we help you with a deal, you can’t fire us and take away our commission). The Agent is not responsible for damage or loss or return of any material. Ofc. 866-876-4488 www.TheScreenplayAgency.com 917-591-1916 Fax The Screenplay Agency “Developing the Best Writers in the World” The Writer/Producer shall do his utmost to finish his work on time as per the terms of contracts he has entered into. The Agent at his discretion may use the Writer/Producer’s name or pen name and the name of the work in promotions for the Agent and to promote the Work. The Writer/Producer has final say on any and all proposals or contracts delivered by the Agent. The Writer/Producer is the only signer on any contract with a buyer. The Writer/Producer acknowledges that the Agent will act only as an advisor and negotiator and ‘buyer-finder’. The Agent specifically states that he is not an attorney, and is NOT providing legal advice. The Writer/Producer acknowledges that the Agent is NOT procuring employment for the Writer/Producer. The Writer/Producer will sign all agreements, not the Agent. The Writer/Producer also agrees that all leads, contacts, communications, documents, emails, forms, and business processes employed by the Agent are considered confidential and trade secrets and as such shall not be disseminated in any form or format without the express written permission of the Agent. This clause survives termination of the Agreement. The Writer/Producer will supply the Agent with an electronic version of their creative work in a common word processing or screenplay format for the Agent to submit the work to potential clients. Both parties will make themselves available to each other within reason for any purpose outlined in this Agreement. Both parties agree that any disputes will be settled in and governed by the laws of the State of New York. This Agreement is binding on the Writer/Producer and Agent and their respective heirs and assigns. However in the event of a sale, insolvency or other change in the ownership or operation of The Screenplay Agency, Inc., the Writer at his sole discretion may choose to terminate this Agreement on 90 days notice. In the event of a termination both parties agree to not disparage the other party in any form. In the event that this Agreement is terminated for any reason, the Agent, his heirs and/or assigns may continue to collect all commissions due on existing contracts negotiated under this Agreement. If an existing contract between the Writer/Producer and any client is renewed, the Writer’s Agent/heirs and or assigns may collect commissions on renewals until the existing contract with that client is terminated. This is the entire agreement. All changes shall require signatures of both parties. WRITER/PRODUCER HAS THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT WITHOUT QUESTION, WITHOUT RECOURSE, FOR 72 HOURS AFTER MAILING. The Author may specifically EXCLUDE a contact that you have already made who might sell or buy your work write them in here, up to a maximum of 3. If a sale occurs to, or through, any of the following people or companies the Agent is NOT entitled to a commission. (In other words, if we don’t find the buyer, we don’t deserve a commission. You will find that we are very straightforward in our business dealings.) 1 __________________________________________________ ______ 2 __________________________________________________ ______ 3 __________________________________________________ ______ Ofc. 866-876-4488 www.TheScreenplayAgency.com 917-591-1916 Fax The Screenplay Agency “Developing the Best Writers in the World” Page 3/3 of Contract THE WRITER/PRODUCER ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT AT NO TIME AND IN NO FORM HAS AGENT GUARANTEED THAT A SALE WILL BE MADE. _______ Writer Initial here. I HEREBY CERTIFY THAT I AM OLDER THAN 18 YEARS OF AGE. _______Writer Initial here. If you are not over 18, please have a parent or guardian execute the contract. The Screenplay Agency -Writer/Producer The Literary Agency Group, Inc. _____________________(sign) ___________________________(sign) Robert West - President Print/typed Name:_________________________ Address: ____________________________ City/State/Zip: ____________________________ Phone: ____________________________ Email: __________________________________________________ _____ PLEASE BE SURE YOUR EMAIL IS LEGIBLE! Pay particular attention to 1,l,0,O,2,Z, etc.… PLEASE MAIL TWO SIGNED COPIES OF THIS CONTRACT TO: The Screenplay Agency Contract Administration Department 275 Madison Ave, 4th Floor New York, NY 10016 You will be notified via email upon receipt of your mailed copies. Please allow approximately 30 days for the return of your fully executed copy. We look forward to working with you. Ofc. 866-876-4488 www.TheScreenplayAgency.com 917-591-1916 Fax |
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Your Genial Uncle
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When scriptwriters go bad:
I Spy For the Scribosphere Part 1 (of 3): Danny Broderick Strikes! I Spy Part 2 (of 3): "Friendship Alley" Has Potential! I am positively waiting with bated breath for Part 3. Meanwhile: Sherry oh Sherry am I to be a Viktim to? She Never Met a Logline She Didn't Like Right you are, "winter": "I'd say there's a definite possibility that the screenplay agency could offer an excellent bastion for writers to exhibit their work."
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My apologies
Yeah right. If this is a forum full of successful writers then I'm santa claus. Hey, try working with a script editor.
Ah ah ah, not your downtrodden and dateless next door neighbor. |
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Your Genial Uncle
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Goodness! The sockpuppets sure move to mindless insults in a hurry when they can't answer pertinent questions!
One more time then I'm done with you, "winter": What has Fletcher ever sold? To anyone?
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pfff
Look, I don't know, I don't even know who Robert Fletcher is, but I can't imagine anyone wanting their name or title mentioned on a slag site like this.
What's your real name? What are your titles? Who's your producer? The mark of a successful writer is their fundamental appreciation for their development team. They look forward to every opportunity to work with an accomplished editor. To learn something new about their work. That's what concerns me, the urge you have to bolt from an editor. |
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Let's put aside the fact that two posts on the same page as yours stated that Robert Fletcher is the guy who runs TSA and its sister scams, and that both those posts linked to his record for fraud. (Here they are again, since you missed them twice: http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-063-01.pdf http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-021-01.pdf) That doesn't inspire confidence in your ability to process information or do basic research, and it hurts your credibility, but we'll overlook that for the moment. Let's get to the second point, which is: You'd send your script out to someone you've never heard of?! Yeah, I know I'd want a complete unknown representing me and fooling around with my script. Uh huh. Great idea! Name anything Fletcher's sold, winter. Go on, anything.
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Oh look, another sockpuppet. Bobby must have laid in a supply of extra wooly ones for each of his scam agencies. Alas, he didn't pay extra to give each sockpuppet its own personality. Izzie, HorribleGirl, and Old Man Winter all use the same approach -- an airy dismissal of any and all negative information, quickly followed by juvenile insults.
Fletcher/West has sold nothing. As Aconite showed in his post, Bobby's agencies, all of them, are scam operations designed to part hopeful writers from their money. |
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Moderation in All Things
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Tell you what. Send me your script/manuscript. I'll send it to an accomplished editor (I really know one), who will give you his professional advice so you can learn something new about your work. Oh, and be sure to include a check for $200. Better make it out to me. I'll be sure he gets it.
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Your Genial Uncle
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Okay, I'm done feeding the troll.
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