Erotica taboo for a professional author?

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First off, I would like to thank the posters on the Erotica forum for suggesting this being to more appropriate forum for this question/discussion and not flaming me to where I am a smoking pile of ashes! :tongue

This is a question I have often pondered and wonder how many professional authors that have found success may fall under this spectrum. I would really be interested in the opinions and feedback of the AW community on this. What would you all think or how would you react if it became known that a well known professional author (fiction, SFF, etc.) previously/currently dabble into the writing of sex stories? I know there are romance/erotica novelists here and mean no disrespect. I am simply pondering authors who've possibly found success in genres outside of this but have written erotica, porn, and so on on the side in secret or under different pen names.

To be truthful as far as my feelings, I don't think it would make that much of a difference. Erotic fiction is one of the genres that I will admit that I have read and personally don't find it distasteful (there are still forbidden lines though, I agree) because I believe this is a very sexually charged culture we live in to begin with. Naturally the Bible-nuts will beat their war drums of judgment and host yet more book burnings of said author. I am Christian myself but think their message of intolerance, denial, and smothering of sexuality is the wrong approach.

But what do you all personally think? Would you look down in disdain on that author? Support them? Be indifferent? Would you expect/demand an explanation from author if it were true or not and why? Would some answer be acceptable while others would not be?

Is there a line to be drawn between erotica as more acceptable than what is deemed porn?

While understanding the desire to not really want the public to know, should that author feel nervous or ashamed if they have done so?

Curious to see what this writers community thinks. :)
 

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I think it might be useful to write different genres under different pen names in general, so people know what they're getting (cf. Joyce Carol Oates/Rosamund Smith, Ruth Rendell/Barbara Vine, Nora Roberts/J. D. Robb, and so on and so on). In most of those cases, the two names are linked either on the cover or on the jacket flap.

On the other hand, I think that Anne Rice chose her erotica pen names (Anne Rampling and A. N. Roquelaure) because there was a stronger bias against erotica in US publishing at the time she wrote her erotica titles; her books under those names were only linked with her main pen name* after she became a blockbuster best seller, if I recall correctly.

So I don't know whether it is the better part of valor for a newer writer to choose different pen names for different genres and let the publishers decide when/if to link them, or what.

As for not respecting people because they write erotica or porn, that's totally alien to my way of thinking, even though I'm not a big reader in either genre. And erotica is certainly not "taboo" for "professional authors," as there are lots of professional authors who write nothing but erotica!

Perhaps I failed to respond to your central question; sorry if so.




(*I know that "Anne" wasn't the author's original first name, but I don't know if it is her chosen name or a pen name. If I guessed wrong, I certainly don't mean to show disrespect for her choice.)
 
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What would you all think or how would you react if it became known that a well known professional author (fiction, SFF, etc.) previously/currently dabble into the writing of sex stories?

Samuel Delany
Piers Anthony

That's off the top of my head.

Notice that you've got a Freudian assumption that writing erotica is not professional?

Check that assumption. It's false.
 

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Sex is the deepest, darkest, funniest, most humbling and honest thing about us. I find writers of sex to be the brave among us, to portray the "smut" lurking in the bowels of all our primitive minds.

It's revealing of humanity and at the same time shouldn't be taken without a hidden grin.

Although I should add that my personal taste in sex scenes leans toward realism (sex can be embarrassing, sticky and awkward in the light of day and most people aren't porn stars, just regular folks who aren't double-jointed). Porn-mimicking male-dominant face-defiling conquering Nordic warrior portrayals of "the act" certainly reveal something about what men want out of a sex fantasy (at least straight sex), but not what it actually turns out to be.

Admittedly I haven't read a ton of erotic fiction, and I guess people would prefer the fantasy versus reality out of that particular genre, so I don't know if my comments are valid here. I don't know, is it a genre that should be taken seriously? Or are its sales dependent on the fact everyone forcefully suspends their disbelief?

I might be the only one who wants to read an erotica story where the guy goes for the money shot and the girl beats the crap out of him and steals his wallet.
 

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Notice that you've got a Freudian assumption that writing erotica is not professional?

Check that assumption. It's false.

Actually that is something you are interpreting from your perspective. I do not assume or think it is unprofessional at all.

But that is the question I am asking here. Is it considered unprofessional? If not, is it merely frowned upon then? Just curious of people's feelings on the matter.

I have respect for all who attempt writing regardless of genre if you want a definitive answer.
 
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I don't know about this being taboo because you'd classify what I write as soft-core porn. :ROFL: Used to be hard core back in 2005, I mean freshly twenty-four years old, wanted to try something different after being so romantic since I started writing novels at 18, and I found myself taking it way too far, so I toned it down. Now, it's something I can't avoid because almost everyone has sex, but I always tone it down and make it gray instead of all white or all black. I just don't want to make people vomit. That being said, I...whatever.


However, there are no limits as to what I read. That's how I learned not to be such a prude when writing. I'm still a major prude in real life, but in writing, it's just a whole bunch of words in a processor, so I am like whatever.
 

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As a reader, I don't really care, although, as IceCreamEmpress says, it's nice if the author finds some way to give people a heads-up as to the nature of the book. Pen-names are a simple and traditional method.
Reading a fantasy series that turns to erotic fantasy after a few books, is as annoying as reading an erotic fantasy series that suddenly goes vanilla after a few books. It's all about the reader's expectations.

I wouldn't look down on the writer, or change my opinions of his/her other books. It would be like thinking less of Isaac Asimov's non-fiction, because he wrote those made-up robot stories.
 
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Many of John Varley's works feature explicit and bizarre sex. In a few, sex is integral to the plot. While many call him "weird", he is firmly classified as an SF writer, not an erotica writer.
 

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Samuel Delany
Piers Anthony

That's off the top of my head.
Delany had trouble getting his work published (e.g., Equinox in the UK, Nova in Analog magazine, and all works banned from Dalton Books stores in the USA). Hogg took decades to ever see publication. It was wrong for that to have happened, but it happened, and it wasn't very long ago. If anything, that's a statement on how far the civil rights movements have progressed.

In theory, pornography shouldn't be a dirty word. Lots of people consume porn, but lots of people also judge others for consuming or producing it.
 
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Notice that you've got a Freudian assumption that writing erotica is not professional?

Check that assumption. It's false.

You see, when I read that, my first instinct that the OP is a published author in another genre, who doesn't want his/her readers to know they also write erotica.
 

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I think this is an opinion from film making - a director or actor can find their career marked by involvement in a porn film (though in some cases it can help and, like writers, many directors and actors have to take whatever jobs they can to survive until they can make it big). However, like writers, actors and directors also have the option to be anonymous...

I personally wouldn't judge anyone's past writing. I was surprised that Ann Rice had done erotica but it did not bother me at all. You may as well say that Russel T Davies had no place being involved in Doctor Who because he was most famous at the time for Queer as Folk (which was considered controversial at the time for its depictions of M/M relationships). It doesn't follow. What I want to know is: is that person any good at writing what they write? If so, I don't care what they write. If they did bad erotica I might mock it but I would not consider them worthy of derision simply because they were writing it.
 

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What would you all think or how would you react if it became known that a well known professional author (fiction, SFF, etc.) previously/currently dabble into the writing of sex stories?

I have no issue with it, there are a lot of authors who write erotica alongside other genres. Anne Rice, for instance, had massive commerical sucess writing horror, and she also wrote erotica under another name and is quite open about it.

Naturally the Bible-nuts will beat their war drums of judgment and host yet more book burnings of said author. I am Christian myself but think their message of intolerance, denial, and smothering of sexuality is the wrong approach.

I wouldn't use descriptions like 'Bible-nuts' because you never know who you are insulting or offending.

But what do you all personally think? Would you look down in disdain on that author? Support them? Be indifferent?

I think it's cool when an author enjoys success, be it in whatever genre.

Would you expect/demand an explanation from author if it were true or not and why?

Hell no. I'm not their mother so it's none of my business what they do. I mean, erotica is just another genre, and I wouldn't go up to my favourite sci-fi author and demand to know if it's true that they wrote a romance novel, would I?

Is there a line to be drawn between erotica as more acceptable than what is deemed porn?

Erotica and porn are quite different, and publishers have their own guidelines which writers adhere to. There are certain things that are no considered acceptable in erotica.

While understanding the desire to not really want the public to know, should that author feel nervous or ashamed if they have done so?

No.
 

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(*I know that "Anne" wasn't the author's original first name, but I don't know if it is her chosen name or a pen name. If I guessed wrong, I certainly don't mean to show disrespect for her choice.)

Anne Rice's real first name is Howard. The story goes that when she started school a nun asked her name and she was embarassed and said Anne, and her mother didn't correct her, so Anne stuck and became her 'real' name.
 

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Do they write damn good stories? We detect no ill winds for people who write damn good stories about murder and mayhem, but pull out a penis instead of a machete and people get all twitchy. Erotica is not my preferred read, but an engaging story of any genre is a pleasure for its readers and a quality accomplishment for its author.
 
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I wouldn't use descriptions like 'Bible-nuts' because you never know who you are insulting or offending.
And the OP's making some pretty big assumptions about who's writing the erotica they're reading.
 

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known that a well known professional author (fiction, SFF, etc.) previously/currently dabble into the writing of sex stories?

Quite a huge chunk of Science fiction / fantasy authors have written erotica with nary an effect on their career.

It's only good business sense to use pseudonyms, because booksellers order books depending on numbers of books sold. What might be great sales for a SF book could be very poor sales for an erotic book. You don't want the fact you write books in small genres to reduce the number of books ordered in larger genres. Plus, as a general rule, it is best to write books under several names since if publishers make a mistake with one name (i.e. publishing a book dead, etc) the other names still have careers. It smooths out the oddities of the business.
 
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Many of John Varley's works feature explicit and bizarre sex. In a few, sex is integral to the plot. While many call him "weird", he is firmly classified as an SF writer, not an erotica writer.
Same for Philip Jose Farmer.

I can't think it'd be much of a problem these days. Once an author is well-known and has a readership, if it comes out that she's published erotica under a different name, I suppose it might lose her a few readers, but it would probably gain her more.
 

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Should we be ashamed of writing about murder, rape, arson, hate? No

Why sex? What is so horrible about writing sex that people should hide their heads in the sand about it?

People are backward. I have great respect for people who write good sex scenes

The media shows people with their heads blown off, their legs blown off, but holy fuck if they show a pair of tits

Our heads are up our asss if you ask me
 

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*shrug* I certainly wouldn't call myself "well known" in fantasy, but I got my start writing erotica/erotic romance and have never felt any sort of bias or shame or anything; I don't hide it and I'm not embarrassed, and no one has ever said anything about it to me, so...
 
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Although I use a pen name, that's not because I'm ashamed or embarrassed about writing erotica. I plan to keep the same pen name for whatever genres I branch into.

It'd be different if I wrote YA, but I don't plan to, so...*shrugs with Stacia*
 

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It takes just as much skill to craft a well written work of erotica as it does to write literary fiction. Why look down on that?
 

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The more I think about this thread the more something about it is annoying me. I think it's the title:

Erotica taboo for a professional author?


Which is suggesting that erotica writers aren't 'professional'

There are several professional writers on this board who write primarily erotica.

In fact, there are a lot of references to 'professional' that I think need addressed.

This is a question I have often pondered and wonder how many professional authors that have found success may fall under this spectrum.

Suggesting that they didn't find sucess at writing erotica....?

What would you all think or how would you react if it became known that a well known professional author (fiction, SFF, etc.) previously/currently dabble into the writing of sex stories?

I think it's the use of the word 'dabble' here that annoys me most. This, paired with the above comments on 'professional' writers makes it sound, whether you are aware of it or not, that you consider erotica writers to be somehow beneath other writers. In that they are not professional and are merely amusing themselves by dabbling in erotica.


In fact, there are a lot of assumptions made in the original post. And the comment about 'Bible-nuts' is still grating on me.

I am a deeply devout Christian and I read and enjoy erotica, I wouldn't 'beat their war drums of judgment and host yet more book burnings of said author.' and I don't know anyone else who would.

I also feel that you are making more big assumptions and sweeping generalisations with the following:

I am Christian myself but think their message of intolerance, denial, and smothering of sexuality is the wrong approach.

Just because someone is a Christian does not mean they are a frigid prude with such delicate sensibilities that they would fall into a horror induced coma if someone dared mention the word 'penis'.

There are some people who are more strict than others and would object, but don't lump everyone in together.

In addition, the entire basis of Christianity is about tolerance and acceptance.

In general the whole question troubles me in it's generalisations and assumptions.
 

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It would be like thinking less of Isaac Asimov's non-fiction, because he wrote those made-up robot stories.

HE DID?!? [goes to burn his essays]

And the OP's making some pretty big assumptions about who's writing the erotica they're reading.

Just what I was thinking.

Should we be ashamed of writing about murder, rape, arson, hate? No

Why sex? What is so horrible about writing sex that people should hide their heads in the sand about it?

People are backward. I have great respect for people who write good sex scenes

The media shows people with their heads blown off, their legs blown off, but holy fuck if they show a pair of tits

Our heads are up our asss if you ask me

Oh...Wayne. [pats him] Don't you get it? We can have [whispers] sex but we're never, ever supposed to enjoy it!

...why is it so dark in here...


IOW everything he said.

edit: ...and everything shaldna said, too.
 
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Yeah, I'll chime in with everyone else. The thread title could be better worded. I'm a Professional writer of erotic romance and definitely not dabbling. My writing is helping, in a small way, to put food on our table.

I sure as hell am not ashamed of what I write, in fact I'm pretty bloody proud. Like SP, I'd probably keep the same pen name for writing in another genre, if I decide to head that way.

Sex has been around since our ancestors flittered about in the primordial ooze. It's part and parcel of life and shouldn't be considered some seedy little sideline.
 

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ETA: I wrote a blog series (now available as a book in paperback and on Kindle, Nook, etc.) on writing effective sex scenes, under this pen name, and it's pretty successful. I used excerpts from my romances & erotic romances in it. It's right there when someone looks me up online.

Not remotely embarrassed by it. Especially not considering the extremely positive reviews it has or the emails I still get thanking me for writing it and saying how helpful the writer found it.
 
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