Advice and Rules versus Techniques

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Bufty

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Forgive me a wee ramble. :flag:

It seems to me the terms Rules and Techniques tend to get muddled in some advice-related threads.


RULES ( in whatever sphere) are meant to be followed and there is invariably a penalty for ignoring them.

RULES in grammar and punctuation exist so we can communicate in writing with one another. The penalty for ignoring basic rules of grammar and punctuation is our written sentences become garbled and at worst unreadable.

There are no RULES to be followed when writing our novels and if we follow standard grammar and punctuation rules there's a good chance the individual sentences in our novel will be readable.

BUT - even assuming we have followed the rules of grammar and punctuation that is no guarantee that all the sentences together will make a readable whole.

We can think we have the greatest characters and story in the world but that is worth little if we can’t convey the characters, images and their story to the reader in an interesting and engaging fashion so the reader wants to read all our sentences, paragraphs, chapters and pages to the End.

There are many pitfalls - weak or no POV, wordiness, repetition, excessive world building or scene setting, rambling descriptions, dull dialogue....

Spotting or having these pointed out to us and rectifying them and removing excessive adverbs/adjectives etc., still offers no guarantee of flow and clarity if we close our eyes to 'technique'.


TECHNIQUE is the accumulated wisdom of those who have gone before us. Proven ways of writing more effectively, including expressing emotions and action/reactions more convincingly, the structuring of stories so they draw a reader in, the means of allowing the reader to become involved in the unfolding tale, ways of writing narrative and dialogue to achieve better flow and clarity...etc..etc.,

We should heed technique and choose those elements we feel helpful, because pretending 'techniques' be lumped together with 'rules' and/or do not exist or don't apply to us, means our writing may never be as strong as it could be or do proper justification to our story.

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Amen, my brother. Good post.

Writing free of errors in grammar and writing mechanics can be a long, long way from good writing. Anyone who does much critique or reads sample pages of lots of self-published books sees this sort of thing (as well as some excellent writing).

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These are great points!

When I first started writing, I came into it via NaNoWriMo and so the first thing I learned was to just write it down and get the story out. I did that and cranked out 38k words very quickly. Then I found out about filtering, infodumping, abverb use, etc. and it made me start doubting my writing and slowed me down as I tried to follow all the "rules".

Recently I discovered, upon reading some famous writers, that they filter, use abverbs, etc., and it loosened me up to see them doing this. I have so much to learn still, but writing now with a less rigid view of "don't do this" and "don't do that" has freed up my writing again and made me less self-critical and thus more productive.
 

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Glad you are back to writing again.

Being aware of techniques etc., and understanding the effect of using or not using them is the key and what makes any decision easier. But the decision has to be yours.

These are great points!

When I first started writing, I came into it via NaNoWriMo and so the first thing I learned was to just write it down and get the story out. I did that and cranked out 38k words very quickly. Then I found out about filtering, infodumping, abverb use, etc. and it made me start doubting my writing and slowed me down as I tried to follow all the "rules".

Recently I discovered, upon reading some famous writers, that they filter, use abverbs, etc., and it loosened me up to see them doing this. I have so much to learn still, but writing now with a less rigid view of "don't do this" and "don't do that" has freed up my writing again and made me less self-critical and thus more productive.
 

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I agree that rules and technique are different. Unfortunately being aware of another's technique and admiring it and attempting to adopt it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to successfully duplicate their technique if it doesn't marry well with your own unique voice - and we all have one. I've read novels and thought, man I'd love to be able to say it like they can, but I know if I tried it would sound forced and out of place coming from me. So I bobble along hoping I'm keeping to the 'rules' (editor tells me when I'm not) and trying to develop and improve my own voice so that it works the way I want it to. Doesn't always but there you go. I've got more work to do.
 

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Hi Ishtar'sgate.

You seem to be confusing 'techniques' with 'style'.

Following or considering 'proven techniques' has nothing to do with copying the style of any individual writer. It's simply following an accepted and proven method of achieving a particular effect.

If you know a technique you employ it, but using your own words.

I agree that rules and technique are different. Unfortunately being aware of another's technique and admiring it and attempting to adopt it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to successfully duplicate their technique if it doesn't marry well with your own unique voice - and we all have one. I've read novels and thought, man I'd love to be able to say it like they can, but I know if I tried it would sound forced and out of place coming from me. So I bobble along hoping I'm keeping to the 'rules' (editor tells me when I'm not) and trying to develop and improve my own voice so that it works the way I want it to. Doesn't always but there you go. I've got more work to do.
 
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Bufty, it's a good idea to post these reminders, in the form of a rant or no, since there are always newcomers (like me) who haven't read them before.

Writing is a craft, let's not forget, and like any other craft, has a history and tradition of technique. A carpenter might want to try to build a chair in a completely unique way and if he succeeds, well, he becomes an inventor. But the chance of success without the foundation of established technique isn't all that high and, I daresay, a carpenter without knowledge of the basic techniques of his craft would be unlikely get the chair built at all.

Thanks for taking the time to reinforce the importance of this.
 

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Writing is indeed a craft, ElaineA and, yes, the carpenter analogy is as good a one as any.

Welcome - albeit belated.:welcome:
 

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See, this is why I liked the advice you gave me when you took a brief look at my work. I've never read anything truer than this rant. :)
 

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Forgive me a wee ramble.


I think there is only one 'rule' in writing, and that is to reward the reader for the time and money spent in buying and reading your work.

All other rules, including the rules of grammar and the advice about storytelling, dialogue tags, serial commas, and whatnot, derive from this.
 

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I don't follow the quote connection here.

Any Rules - and that means grammar rules insofar as this thread is concerned - can be ignored provided you're prepared to accept the penalty.

Cherryh's Law: No rule should be followed off a cliff.
 

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The single rule to which you refer is - don't bore the reader, although I don't think the rules of grammar are derived from anything to do with that.

I think there is only one 'rule' in writing, and that is to reward the reader for the time and money spent in buying and reading your work.

All other rules, including the rules of grammar and the advice about storytelling, dialogue tags, serial commas, and whatnot, derive from this.
 

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Thank you. A rep-point is all I can give you for this, my dear.;)

See, this is why I liked the advice you gave me when you took a brief look at my work. I've never read anything truer than this rant. :)
 

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Hi Ishtar'sgate.

You seem to be confusing 'techniques' with 'style'.

Following or considering 'proven techniques' has nothing to do with copying the style of any individual writer. It's simply following an accepted and proven method of achieving a particular effect.

If you know a technique you employ it, but using your own words.

I think where we're at odds here is in word usage. A person may learn technical skills, like a carpenter learns the technical aspects of his/her trade. But technique is how they employ those learned technical skills to make them uniquely their own. At least that's my understanding.

On a side note and not on topic, what a little cutie! Is that a grandchild? Don't have any yet. Been begging to no effect so figure if I pretend I don't care maybe, just maybe...:D
 

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I love this rant. And I really needed it today. I was starting to doubt my writing and getting really hung up on filtering/info-dumping.

Sometimes, ya just gotta be you and WRITE.
 

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Yup, only one rule:

Do your best to make sure the reader gets something out of your writing.

Everything else is advice and I've got to be honest, I don't write with the 'rules' in mind.
 

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Now to port every new writer to this thread...

I keep repeating myself: There are no rules of writing, only suggested guidelines.

"Please, this way."
"Fuck you, I do what I want." *Walks off cliff*
 

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Probably wasting your time with some people sadly, Will.

There are those that think show, don't tell tell is a must and it's something everyone should follow (amongst other things). All the time. Looking at things on a individual level be damned (as each example should be looked at).

Sorry for the mini-rant, but some people really need some sense beating into them. And when they get challenged or proved wrong, they resort to attacks. *shrugs*
 
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Great post, Bufty! I'll also add more thing. Yes, there are some techniques that are very challenging to do, and yes, sometimes writers really mess them up. But that should never be a reason not to try them. I've seen far too many writers offer the advice, "It's hard. Don't try." Maybe it's from me being in the military, but we can't learn new techniques without trying.
 

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I don't follow the quote connection here.

Any Rules - and that means grammar rules insofar as this thread is concerned - can be ignored provided you're prepared to accept the penalty.

The point of the quote was, rules are great working guidelines, but up with them dictating all, thou should not put. ;)
 
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