Does erotica have to be romance?

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I've been reading some erotica lately, and in what I've read the romance is ultimately more important than the mystery or other genre. I don't just mean the SEX takes a front seat -- the romance... the relationship between the main characters... is ultimately the driving force of the book.

Is that required? If I wrote a book where there was the same amount and emphasis on sex, but there were no other romance elements (building a relationship, HEA, etc.), would readers feel like I hadn't held up my end of the bargain?
 

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I'm honestly not sure. If you aren't giving them a relationship or a HEA, what kind of plot are you working with? Emotions have to get involved unless you're just writing one sex scene after another.

Some readers go for just the sex, but there are many (like myself) who love the romance sometimes more than the sex scenes.
 

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It is going to be dominated by it but there are other books out there. I think so much of it is tied to romance is. . . well, because romance sells so much. There are other subgenres out there. The sub-genre of treatises is a more traditional form of erotica that can be hard to find new ones today. . . but I guess they are out there.
 

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Yes, of course there is non-romance erotica. Just think about what kind of publisher you are writing for to make sure you have some idea what market you are writing for.
 

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Yes, but I'd say you're sacrificing the passion in some cases--possibly alienating readers.

You'd have to work with other emotions, like sympathy, to trigger sex.

Of course, anything is possible and depends on how you write it.
 

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No, it's not required. Erotica isn't all erotic romance.

You'll probably be looking at different publishers than many posters here, though, so just double check that you're submitting to places that are open to erotica that isn't erotic romance.
 

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There's definitely erotica that isn't romance. But a lot of big publishers seem to focus on erotic romance. Also, it could be that my experience is limited, but while I can think of some novella and novel-length non-romance erotica, a lot of non-romance erotica I read have been in the form of short stories. I think that might be because a lot of it focuses on single erotic encounters. A lot of the longer non-romance books I've found are self-published.

But as someone who enjoys erotica but has little interest in romance, yes, non-romance erotica definitely exists. It can just be challenging to find at times.
 

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While erotic romance is a popular genre, especially in epublishing, it's not the only erotic fiction.

You can write erotica without focusing on relationships at all. You can create a hybrid of erotica and any other genre--suspense, mystery, epic fantasy, western, action/adventure. You can write fetish or special interest erotica which barely touches on relationships.

Just know going in that if you write erotica other than erotic romance, you're in a much smaller group here at AW and you will have fewer publishers to which you can submit your work.

Maryn, who doesn't write romance
 

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I would say that it depends on your reader. Female readers would more likely demand that there be a story, but males often get by without. The newsgroup stories on alt.sex.stories often involve JUST sex, with a minimal introduction and most often no afterward at all. I think most of these kinds of stories are fantasy with the intent of masturbatory pleasure for men. Some of the stories are indeed longer. Some are even humorous, and M1ke Hunt is one of my favorite authors of this genre. Funny and sexy, it is hard to pull off, but he does it well in a story entitled "She's a Tease" that you can find with Google. Whether you could get this kind of stuff past a publisher, that is an entirely different question.
 

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I think romance is so popular because we can all sympathize with it as a driving force. Adding emotional attraction to the psycho-sexual biological imperative really ups the erotic-ness [sic] of the situation.
 

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I also found that most publishers of erotica stressed the requirement for a strong romantic angle and HEA ending when I submitted my first ms, and because of that I was rejected some half a dozen times. Thankfully I did find a publisher more open to other ideas, so yes they are out there.
 

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Erotic romance is a sub genre of romance. Erotica isn't. They aren't the same thing.

If you're targeting an erotic romance publisher, they will expect a romance plot. If that publisher takes erotica, then you can have the single-character storyline.
 

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No it's not required at all. When it comes to writing anything can be done if written correctly. It's up to you as the writer to figure out how to portray the story in a fashion that's entertaining for the reader to want to finish the story.
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I've been reading some erotica lately, and in what I've read the romance is ultimately more important than the mystery or other genre. I don't just mean the SEX takes a front seat -- the romance... the relationship between the main characters... is ultimately the driving force of the book.

Is that required? If I wrote a book where there was the same amount and emphasis on sex, but there were no other romance elements (building a relationship, HEA, etc.), would readers feel like I hadn't held up my end of the bargain?
I think for a long time women's erotica was about the woman's journey as a person, that is what all the Black Lace books were like and she had sex with a lot of different people, but there were always other elements, great setting and exploration of characters that made those books great.
Then at some point it seemed Black Lace's marketing department decided that the only thing that really sold was erotic romance, the authors were told to add more romance and the words "erotic romance" were suddenly added to the covers.
Jaid Black had had great success with erotic romance with EC, it was just thought to sell more so there was a big shift to it, even in traditional publishing. But publishers like Ellora's Cave, Mischief, Carina and Samhain, Siren (not sure about Loose ID) still publish women's erotica without romance, they just don't publish as many of these books as they do erotic romance. If you wrote a book that was pure erotica you can submit to these publishers or Mischief Books it would just be labeled differently.
I think Amazon is also flooded right now with very porny cheap erotic books that are not romances or even really erotica given these really don't have much plot, and are put up in the hopes of making a quick buck, which is a separate thing again from trying to write a good quality erotic novel for women.
 
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I think there is a trend towards 'Erotic Romance', maybe because it sells so well, but I think there is still a place for 'Erotica' without the romance. Surely women have come a long way, and we can enjoy erotic content in many different contexts, not just romantic ones. It personally am not a great fan of romance but I love erotica.
 

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I suspect Cleis presses has a pretty mixed audience. I just sold an erotica story to one of their anthologies. That story had no romance whatsoever in it.
 

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Cleis Press has gay anthologies that I think are actually marketed at gay men rather than girls who like boys who like boys? I could be wrong.
The publishers of Black Lace used to have a separate line for men Nexus which closed down, another casualty of the recession and that I don't think reopened when Black Lace reopened because of Fifty Shades of Grey.
Ellora's Cave have a whole imprint specifically for men http://www.ellorascave.com/imprints/ec-for-men.html
I spoke of women's erotica because I know more about the history of it, and what it involves, and it's more related to the erotic romance phenomena.
 
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Isn't Cleis Press very much marketed at women?

I would say Cleis predominantly markets its gay male material to males and lesbian material to lesbians.

In any case, they put out a lot of erotica that does not have romance in it.
 
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