Authors to read for dialogue?

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Sesselja

Dialogue has always been the weakest part of my writing, so I'd like to read a few writers who do this bit exceptionally well. I've picked up Elmore Leonard, but I'd like a few others too. Any suggestions?

Oh, and if anyone could suggest someone who writes really BAD dialogue, that would be appreciated too!
 

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One of my favourite authors of strong characters is Ken Follett. I can't specifically say his dialogue is grand; I don't have one of his novels in front of me at the moment (I'm at work). But I suggest he'd be a good start. His characters are so strong, dialogue must be something he does well. Try Pillars of the Earth, Eye of the Needle, or Night Over Water.
 

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With Grisham, one may have to read the stories twice to analyse or learn whatever it is one is seeking to learn from the dialogue. First time, the dialogue will pull one into the story.
 

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Pete Dexter. John D. MacDonald.

Both good for other reasons, too, which leads me to suspect that being good at dialogue has spill-over effects into narrative and descriptive material.

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James D. Macdonald said:
James M. Cain.

And, of course, me.

Yeah, ditto James M. Cain. Pity so many people today don't seem even to know about him. One of the best pure narrative writers in America of the 20th Century. And I'd rank Mildred Pierce as one of the top ten American novels of the century as well.

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Elmore Leonard and Stephen King
 

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Donald Westlake (aka Richard Stark)
 

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Try reading some good plays, too, to learn how information can be effectively conveyed in dialogue. Two of my favorites are Christopher Durang and Caryl Churchill.
 

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To Sesselja,

I'm just plain curious, and your answer will probably make me bang my head on the keyboard.

But in what sense do you feel your dialogue is weak? Presumably, if you know it's weak, you know where it's weak. What exactly is it you would be looking for from reading all the dialogue from these folk? If your own characters are fully formed and are reacting to a given situation, surely the dialogue would flow naturally enough.

The dialogue in each of the books will be specific to the characters and the situation they are in. Is it the word choice or patterns, or how to more effectively link dialogue, or construct it, or how to tag it more effectively, or what?
 

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Television shows and movies, also. I always like to use Buffy as an example of how characters speak differently.
 

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For what it's worth, I think that it's easier to learn to write realistic dialogue by listening to people talk. Think of it as fun research. Go to the mall's food court and just sit there for a while. Observe and listen to conversations. Do the same thing at any loud, public place.

Also, I agree with TV and movies. Joss Whedon is a master of clever dialogue, but not everyone wants to write clever. Just realistic. Rent a few "talkie" movies, especially those based on plays. Plays center around dialogue. TV shows like Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars are character-driven, and have lots of good dialogue.
 

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I'll have to say the late Isaac Asimov. His work is very heavy on human interaction and varying speech. Sometimes I find his work hard to get into because I prefer action, (My first WIP's major focus) but there is rarely a question of who is speaking and their mood.

I am new here, and find the advice from published authors very helpful. I hope I can help in return.
 

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I like to think Ken Kesey is one of the best. The local tone and use of local vernacular are amazing.
Also, reading monologue scripts is good for dialogue.
 

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I'm in the process of reading John Steinbeck's, The Grapes of Wrath and I'm hooked by his dialogue. The characterization comes straight through. Though, his use of slang and accent in writing his dialogue might arrouse some disagreement.

Also, I think there's a difference between real people's dialogue and stuff you put on the page. If you listen to people's conversations, they talk so much small talk and with lots of ums, you knows etc that it would read terrible and be boring on the page.
 

Sesselja

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To Sesselja,
What exactly is it you would be looking for from reading all the dialogue from these folk?

I got the idea from Uncle Jim, the post where he talks about how artists copy paintings of the old masters to learn the techniques and where he suggest copying a chapter of a book you enjoy. I know dialogue-writing is my greates problem in writing, so I would like to do something similar.

I want to see how the masters handle dialogue. How they construct sentences; how they use beats and tags; what techniques they use to make a character's voice distinct and individual.

Bufty said:
If your own characters are fully formed and are reacting to a given situation, surely the dialogue would flow naturally enough.

That's the word of someone who has no problems writing dialogue...

In theory, that would be true. But although I know my characters and can hear their voices in my head, I cannot get it out on paper so it read well. It's the same with singing. I can hear a melody in my head, but something happens to it on the way out and it sounds all off-key and weird. I lack a musically tuned ear, and dialogue has a lot to do with music. So I need to work harder than others on this part of my writing.

Bsolah: My husband loved the way Steinbeck handled dialogue in that book, but I cannot read it. With English as second language, I have to work so hard to read British/American/Aussi slang/accents/dialects, that by the time I finish a sentence I have forgot how it started.

PS: Thanks for all the suggestions!
 

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Gotcha. I should do the same. Thank you.
 

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Uncle Jim suggests reading your work out loud to see how it flows. I have found that technique to be extremely helpful. I'll add this, get a recorded book, something by Elmore Leonard read by Frank Muller. You'll realize that Elmore has it down perfectly. Grishom's stuff is good too. Good dialog flows. Whether it's on the page or recorded, you should hear the speaker with your ears or in your head. After you write it, read it out loud.

I got hooked on recorded books when I was a commuter. I have stayed with them because it enables me to "read" in the car running errands. I read while the other fools have their cell phones jammed in their ears. I won't get started on that.

 

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Second the two posters who said John D. MacDonald and Donald Westlake. Joe Konrath also has a really cool quippy dialogue style, IMO.
 

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Originally Posted by gabbleandhiss
BAD: Stephen King

Please elaborate. I personally like his dialogue and feel he does a good job of reflecting his characters in it. I'd like to know exactly how it's considered bad.
 
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