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Dario D.

Why has almost nobody here heard of Book Writer? Is everyone here still using Word? With an air of cartoonish silliness, "this is absolutely unacceptable!". I did a search of the forums, but didn't find ANYTHING about Book Writer.

Just to explain where I'm coming from, I spent years using Word, and wrote the first and second drafts of my first novel in it, thinking that it was all I needed. People always asked me why I didn't get a serious program for books, but I said, "Who needs them? All I really need to do is write." I knew that I didn't want to add complication to my work, and ONLY wanted the ability to "just write", but I finally came to the point where I had to split my book into chapters, to make it easier to manage. So, I wanted to find a tool that could help divide it up, yet keep it all in front of me, so I could easily hop around the book, without getting lost or wasting time opening individual chapter files and trying to find certain parts.

After trying the demos of several book writing programs (all of which were overridden with useless tools, like plot-summarizers, character-developers, and other highly pretentious "automation" features) I stumbled across this little $45 program called Book Writer, and decided to give the demo a try.

After wrestling with it for about five minutes, before I figured out how to setup a book project (a lot of people can't figure it out, but it's very easy - just use the help menu), I started tinkering around, and set up my book in it.

I guess you can say that the rest is history. I've been using it for almost 2 years now, and simply don't know what I would do without it. And no, I'm not trying to sell it.

While not perfect (I've tried to get them to fix some things, but they haven't), it has still handled my projects without a hitch, and I could never use anything else in it's place. Using it, you can do a word lookup, and it will spit out a list of every instance of it in the entire book. You can click any line, and it will take you right to it, and hilight it for you. Before, I would have said, "When would I actually NEED such a tool?", but alas, I honestly use this tool about five times a day, every... single... day. Just the same, you can replace every instance of a word with another, making it dangerously easy to rename places, characters, and omit certain words altogether. I've used this effectively nearly thirty times in my latest book. For example, what if you decide that "Arkaylie" is a stupid name, and want to change all 1,200 instances of it to just "Amy"? Two seconds later, it's already done.
Likewise, what if you decide to change "ork" into "molossus", then decide you need to try out a few more names before deciding on one? No problem. Apply the changes, then read a few paragraphs in context, and see what you think.

Anyway, I hope more of you get this program, because it bothers me to see so many authors using simple word processors. I have absolutely nothing to do with the makers of it, but just shake my head when I see so many writers NOT using it, while I sit here and think how I couldn't do without it. It's just bothersome; it's like having the only electric lights in the world, and wondering why everyone else is still using candles. To put simply, this is THE writer's tool right here, and simply makes the task or organizing and working with a book so much easier. I just finished a 240,000 word novel in it, which, you can imagine would need a ton of control and versatility in order to keep all the ideas on track. Just to give you an idea of what that's like, let me just say you could never do it with just CTRL+F. :D

If you'd like to take it for a spin, you can get the demo here:
http://www.yadudigital.com/products/bookwriter.htm

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A few features can be slightly elusive (I'm not sure why they designed one or two things this way), so here's how to do them:

Spellcheck correction: right-click on the underlined word, then hit Alt. It will change the menu into the correction menu.

Combine into a single document: to compile your book into a single document, go to Project Menu, then choose "Merge RTF Files Into One". You only need to do this if you're sending a manuscript to someone, or need to print the whole darn thing.

Word Count: after merging everything into one file, go to File menu > Properties > Statistics tab. This shows you much more than just word count.

Dictionary / Thesaurus: Go to Tools menu, and choose Thesaurus/Dictionary. This is a GREAT tool, which you can download seperately if you do a Google search for "word web" (it's the first result).

--- Anyway, I won't be happy until everyone on these forums can say, "So, what do you write with?" "Book Writer. What else?"

It just makes me frown when I hear about serious authors still using MS Word. I've used it for years, and still use it, but not for my books anymore.
 
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Publishers who accept digital files often stipulate MSWord.

In some cases, they require MSWord because they use Word's Comment and Tracking features.

Whatever works for a writer, works, but do pay attention to submission requirements.
 

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"Unacceptable"? You lost me right there. I can write in wordperfect, word, notepad, anything that records words. I require it to be acceptable only to my editor and she doesn't seem to care--although she does like to use Words track changes tool. Your chastising tone makes me move from not knowing about this program to not wanting to know about it.
 

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I agree with Veinglory, and it sounds like you are trying to sell it to us. Besides, MSWord can do the majority of the things mentioned.
 

Dario D.

"...absolutely unacceptible" said I, with a cartoonish air of silliness. Maybe I should make that more clear...

Besides, MSWord can do the majority of the things mentioned.
Oh, it can do a lot, but my experience using them side by side (first one for several years, then the other) is that BW is far better suited for my needs as an author, and assists my writing process in a way that I've simply become addicted to it.

And no, I'm not trying to sell it. I have nothing to do with the makers of the program. I'm trying to share the goodness, because I'm just bothered that nobody has discovered it.

Goodness. Why do I find myself defending such an innocent gesture of charity? I just thought I'd share it, since I had some free time.
 
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It was the tone in which you gave the information. It came across as though you were almost forcing us to buy the product like if we didn't, then we must be stupid. You also claim that writers who aren't serious wouldn't use it, basically offending us, and making us buy it again. You also noted that it suits your personal style, but it might not suit somebody else's, so I don't understand why the whole board has to use the product.

I understand you only meant good, but the tone made it come off in a bad way.
 

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Dario D. said:
--- Anyway, I won't be happy until everyone on these forums can say, "So, what do you write with?" "Book Writer. What else?"

It just makes me frown when I hear about serious authors still using MS Word.

I suspect you'll be very unhappy, and wearing a frown, for the rest of your life. I've tried Book Writer, and I don't like anything about it.

Serious writers just need a word processor. Shoot, a good many don't even use word processors.

Serious writing is about wetware, not software.
 

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I suspect you'll be very unhappy, and wearing a frown, for the rest of your life. I've tried Book Writer, and I don't like anything about it.

Serious writers just need a word processor. Shoot, a good many don't even use word processors.

Serious writing is about wetware, not software.

I have to ask if you used it long enough to import your entire project into it,so as to get to the point where you can actually write, with all your chapters layed out before you. I know most average computer users don't get that far.
 

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I can't think of a single thing I need to do that I can't with MS Word. Chapter list? Um, Document Map. Easy navigation.

It's industry standard, and I know it better than any other processor. You should write infomercials. I almost thought I needed this product!
 

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I've found Microsoft Word works just fine for all my chapters in one file.
Then, I open a Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet in the background with all my chapters outlined. I can make notes all I want on my Excel spreadsheet and never have to worry about clogging up anything in the main file.

Word also comes with this feature where you can "Find" and then you type the chapter number, or merely go to the page where you left of by using the "Go To" command.

Since this method is so effective and simple, and the method requires learning absolutely no new software, I don't see why I'd want to clutter up my machine with even a free sample of something else.
 

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Meh. WordPerfect works just fine for me. I'm not going to pay 45$ for a program that doesn't do anything I can't do myself.

I know you're just trying to spread the love, but your tone borders on what some of us in fandom call "efangelism." Efangelists are people who love a certain thing so much that they flat can't comprehend others' not liking it. When someone tells an efangelist they don't like whatever it is, the efangelist's first reply usually bears a lot of resemblance to what you just said to Jamesaritchie: "you must not have given it enough of a try."

I'm glad you've found a system that works for you, but some people just don't like 'book writing programs.' There's nothing at all wrong with that. The only thing you need to do to be a 'serious writer' is to write.
 

Dario D.

I wonder if I should make a video... I'll have 10 minutes free later, so I could do it.

I understand what you mean by Efangelism, but my goal is to PRESENT this, simply because nobody knows about it... I'm not here to whip you into using it.

Whether you use it or not is up to you, and you have a demo to try out, which is the perfect way to decide for yourself. Like all tools, some use them, and some don't. I'm not an "efangelist", but rather a, "hey, I think you might REALLY like this."
 
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I work on a Mac so that cuts the amount of software available. Not that big a problem when what is available usually does the job as well as I could ever hope for. That said, I use Movie Magic 2000. I write movie/TV scripts, comicbook scripts and prose. It has templates aplenty and better still, their customer service is the best I have ever encountered. Granted, it isn't the cheapest, and if you just wanna write, any word-processing app will do, but I have been 100% satisfied. Can be better than that for me.
 

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simply because nobody knows about it... I'm not here to whip you into using it.

Writing software gets discussed here every once in awhile. Someone stumbles across an ad and everyone dicusses it. Usually, people are pretty content with Word or their respective programs.

Most in the publishing industry use the features associated with Word. It's not that Word is the best as much as it is pretty standard.

A million books have been published without specialized program and I'm betting a million books will be published after this one goes the way of the dinosaurs.

What matters most is this: whatever method works for you will work for you.

No matter which way you slice it, which way you present it, or which way you jazz it up with glitz and gold, there will be folks who will just simplify things and stick with the standard.

The next step in the argument goes: "well, if we all band together, we can change the industry standard because they won't have books without writers."

To which I reply: there have been a million books published before and there will be a million books published after.

There's only one rule in writing: if it works, it works.
 

Dario D.

Sorry if I came across as bashing Word. That's not my message, but it seems to have come across that way.

I know first-hand that if I'm content using a program, it can be pretty jarring when someone says to me that it's no good. Of course, that's not what I'm saying. I like using Word, and, like I said in the first post, used it for years, and often had to defend it.

My message here is pretty much, "I, Dario D., happen to like this program more than this other one that I used to use (which incidentally happens to be Word), and I think you'll like it, as I do... so, if you've never heard of it, I'd like to show you what it is."
 
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It could be the most fabulous program on earth, but I won't try it. Why? Because what I'm doing already works. Why mess with a good thing? I'm big on status quo. LOL

Word does everything I've ever asked it to. (Except the dishes.) I could write sonnets to Word because it makes me happy.

I'm glad you've found something you like using.
 

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Why are you all talking back to the snake oil salesman? You're just encouraging him to stay and continue to pander his sub-standard wares.
 

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Dario D. said:
Really long advert for BookWriter

I use MS Word because it came free with my computer and Bookwriter costs MXN $551.510,00.

iNo Bueno!


If Bookwriter came free and I had to pay for MS Word, it'd be the exact opposite.

I write mostly by hand these days anyway, so--

*shrug*
 
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I have to ask if you used it long enough to import your entire project into it,so as to get to the point where you can actually write, with all your chapters layed out before you. I know most average computer users don't get that far.

Well, yes and no. I used it long enough to know there was no way in heck I wanted to actually write a full novel using it, and then I used it for a week or ten days longer, just to be sure. Book Write just makes a bunch of things possible that I never wanted to do in the first place, and really nothing at all that I can't do in Word or WordPerfect.

When I reach the point that all my chapters are laid out before me, my first draft is already finished. And even if it weren't, it's no more difficult to separate chapters into files in Word, or to search through them.

Honestly, I didn't try Book Writer because I wasn't staisfied with Word. I do my best to try every word processor, and every possible piece of writing software, just so I'll know what I'm talking about. . .and on occasion because I'm paid to use it.

I haven't seen any so-called "writing software" that I tought made any sense at all for fiction. It's mostly used by new writers who try to make the process of writing a novel a lot more complicated than it could be or should be.

Personally, I think the best tools for writing fiction are 1. A pencil or ink pen. 2. A piece of paper.

But I knew seasoned pros who write with any conceivable word processor you can name, but it WordStar, Word, WordPerfect, OpenOffice, Works, etc. I know one who still uses WordPerfect 5.1. I even know one who uses WordPad.

Sooner or later, most writers start looking for software that does less, not more. I use Word primarily because it's the industry standard, and I know I'm always 100% compatible with my agent and publishers. And Word has a number of non-writing tools I often use. It also puts me in real time edit mode with my agent and editors.

But right now, as I write this, I have MS Office 2003, MS Office 2007, Works Suite 2003, WordPerfect X3, OpenOffice 2.0.3, Atlantis, Jarte, AbiWord, and three or four or five other word processors on my computer. I could write a novel with any of them.

I also have CopyWriter and DarkRoom, and while I wouldn't want to write a novel on either because I'm afraid I might lose the file, I have written short stories on both. These things are as small, as primitive and as feature free as it's possible to get, and this is a plus, not a minus. DarkRoom is just green text on a black background. It's pencil and paper for the computer age, and it's all the better for it. http://they.misled.us/dark-room/

I think far too many new writers spend time lookimg at the software when they should be concentrating on the fiction.

If yu love Book Writer, then it's the software you should use. But it's no better for someone else than pencil and paper or DarkRoom.
 

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From the BookWriter Website: (BOLD is me yapping.

Organize the chapters or files of your writings into one or more visual projects to get your writings out of computer space and, as it were, into your hands in front of you.

Not only is this badly worded, it doesn't seem to be more efficient.

Use titles in your project instead of system file names to identify the parts of your writings.

Because having that .doc at the end of my story's title confuses the hecky-darn out of me.

Open, copy, or move files by clicking on titles in a project's tree diagram.

Ok, but what does this actually mean? How is this different from copying and pasting in your normal interface?

Copy or move all files in a project by dragging and dropping just the project's name in its tree diagram.

Otherwise known as Copying and Pasting.

Search all files in your project at once.

If they weren't divided into different files, I could do that in any type of word processor.

Find anything inside the files on your disks.

Redundant. Strike.

Find misspelled words, alternate spellings, and typo-ed words.

Otherwise known as Editing.

Replace names or words inside all files in a project, creating backups of the originals automatically.

Sort of like MS Words Find & Replace mechanism?

Index every word in your project's files to see every place a name or word occurs.

Ok, now THAT sounds handy, especially when I decide SHEEPHERDER13 finally deserves a real name. Or, if, you know, I've been spelling someone's name wrong for six chapters.


Jump from file to file with a single click to see found or indexed words in various files.

That sounds like it could be useful, but I'd have to see it working.

Book Writer™ includes a spelling checker, dictionary, and thesaurus, all of which support both US and UK English.

Handy, but if it isn't a lot handier than having Thesaurus.com and Dictionary.com on the start bar below it, it's not an improvement. Also, how GOOD of a dictionary? How GOOD of a thesaurus?

Zip all files in your project automatically.

Why?

Open all files in your project with a single click.

Doubleclicking my MS. Word Document does the same thing.

Using the rich text format (files ending in ".rtf"), import or export files to any other word processor in Windows®.

<Shrug>

Use Book Writer™ as a word editor without using its project management. Click on just one button to turn off the Project Commander and use Book Writer™ as you would other editors (or word processors).

Read: "Our Product uses a word processor free-ware code."

Some of that sounds like it'd be useful.

Some of it sounds like I'd never use it.

But for $50 bucks, I'll never know. :)
 

Dario D.

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I like the way you make something that's so good seem like such worthless garbage, even without having ever used it.
 
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Come on guys, give it a rest, ok?

It's software. It's not the end of the world. Check it out if you're on Windows and it interests you.

It was possibly not the most tactfully worded post, but I don't think it was intended to be a commercial, or to evoke hostility.
 

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Just looking at the screen shots of BW, I'm not particularly impressed. The user interface is ugly and cluttered, and some of the images for the buttons don't seem to be particularly good choices. I'm also not seeing much of anything that's different from Word or any other word processor. The few things that are different--the chapter tabs, the document title (why?), the project/find/outline tab--are things I'd never use. I'd rather spend my money on a Word 2007 upgrade when it comes out.
 
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