The Old Neverending PublishAmerica Thread (Publish America)

Maybe another couple of thousand hopefuls will hop onboard the PA peace train this week after such a charming and professional endorsement.

Well, if not that, at least Anne Rice will be impressed.

Renee,
Why has Dee got to be your target? Jealous because she has the fortitude to stand up to PA? :eek

Savannah Blue

sheeshh...!!....

quote.."Thanks DeePower, you piece of ..."

You would think those people would get things right.
I'm the sh**!! here....

Oh and the one under that post.... quote "We need to get a F**king life....." (I searched a little on the P.A. board and found out this person has a children's book out with P.A. Would suggest not purchasing it... as a result of the editing department .. they might have missed some words..>: )

"Hmmmm looks like not only is the P.A. staff bad at editing their books ... They're bad at editing their boards....."

g

"THAT big an issue........." the author's books have her cover and someone else's words inside, that would be a copyright violation among other things"

Not that I defend PA on any level, but this does happen to other POD publishers. I ordered a book, that a friend wrote and self-published. I ordered it and it came with her cover and another person's poetry inside. I assume the machine was loaded wrong or something mechanical went awry. I took it back and got a new one. Oh, now i see, you can't return PA books....

Just letting you know it happens to other companies too. That one is LS's problem.

Just in case it gets deleted...

Renee, WHOA! What is your gripe with Dee? She is an author that has been published elsewhere and has had problems with PA, so what? Not all publishers are for everyone. If you love PA, well good for you. Those who have had bad experiences and feel as though a company has wronged them, have every right to do something about it. This IS America and that is what we have courts for!
The AW boards have saved me a TON of time, money, and rejection letters, by offering sound advice on a myriad of craft- related issues. There isn't any "us" versus "them" kind of thing going on, it's just a place for writers with OPINIONS (imagine that-- a writer with an opinion) to sound off.
Try signing on over there and having an intelligent dialog rather than sounding off with poor language; maybe we could all LEARN something from each other.
WomanSpeak,
Keep at things, I hope your problems are resolved soon.
~Kate
katestamour.com

www.publishamerica.com/cg.../10919.htm

I'm just curious, where did the whole "scorned novice PA author decides to rally the troup against Our Valiant Publisher" thing come from?

The only "scorned" PA authors I've heard of are those who marketed and worked their arses off, only to be treated like garbage by PA when their books started doing well.

But I guess it's all a matter of what you expect. Some PA authors are happy to sell fifty copies to friends and families, others actually want to have a career in writing.

I have never understood the complaints about
promotion. Pres. Clinton had to do book signings, along
with a whole lot of other people, like everyone who has
a book published. Of course, we won't have quite the
crowds Clinton did, but that's not the publisher's fault.

Well, Carol, I'm willing to bet my firstborn that Clinton didn't have to beg the stores to host the events, or stock the book. Clinton did signings because it's good self-promotion. He's a polician and needs to be in the public eye a lot. It most likely had very little to do with actually promoting the book, as I've heard those things pretty much sold themselves.

on the PA board, I need it for documentation.

Thanks

Dee
www.BrianHillAndDeePower.com

Well, Carol, I'm willing to bet my firstborn that Clinton didn't have to beg the stores to host the events, or stock the book. Clinton did signings because it's good self-promotion. He's a polician and needs to be in the public eye a lot. It most likely had very little to do with actually promoting the book, as I've heard those things pretty much sold themselves.

Also, most authors don't do booksignings. At all. When was the last time you heard of Stephen King doing a booksigning? Didn't he pretty much stop because they got so crowded and chaotic?

Most lesser known authors don't do booksignings, either, or if they do them, they'll do a few in their region. I get the impression that it's more a goodwill gesture than a publicity tactic. Many many many authors don't do any kind of promotion at all. Some because they're reclusive, others becuase they believe the book should speak for itself, still others because they would rather use the money to, oh I don't know, feed their kids. And yet their books still sell, as long as they are in the stores. :eek

Clinton did signings because it's good self-promotion.

I'll bet he did the tour to meet chicks.

:nerd

Heh, watch them jump all over Kate (Hipwitch) for having an intelligent, informed opinion. Not only are they hysterical, there's some random CAPS abuse thrown in for good measure. And PA is doing nothing to stop them and protect their authors.

Heh, watch them jump all over Kate (Hipwitch) for having an intelligent, informed opinion. Not only are they hysterical, there's some random CAPS abuse thrown in for good measure. And PA is doing nothing to stop them and protect their authors.

They're jumping her all right, but my money's on Kate. Boy, you've got to wonder what criteria The Logo uses to pull threads. Or maybe not, considering what I saw come out of his/her/its mouth over the weekend. LOL.

Where is the thread? I'll finally take the time to get a logon over there, and jump in. I mean, please. How much "effort" does it take to resort to name calling?

www.publishamerica.com/cg...e/6099.htm

But you have to be a PA author to be able to sign up and use the boards.

Dee, if the thread is still there, just select "File" on your browser menu. Then select "Save As". When the window opens, change the "Save as type" option to "Web page, HTML only" and give it a "File name" you can remember. Click on "Save" and it will be in a file you can view or print out. If you don't set it to HTML only, you'll also download all the graphics and those will go into a separate directory that your browser will create automatically.

If you can't find it, let me know. I think I already have a copy for documentation. I'll email it to you.

That thread is still there, bad words and all. Oh, and we're "those people" now.

Frankly, I'd rather be one of "Them". Not b/c it makes me better, but there is far less hassle in my life without someone like PA.

I truly wish they would see that we are not picking on the authors, some of them have taken this thread quite personally. Some of the posts may have been close to the bone, but overall they have been about the publisher and not the poor souls who have had their books published by them.

It's PA, not the authors.

I've saved it for myself, but I wanted copies from other people to show I didn't tamper with the file. I have no quarrel with any PA author just because they are a PA author.

I did not sign the termination agreement for several reasons. PA and their attorney of record have the revised termination from our law firm.

Dee
www.BrianHillAndDeePower.com

They delete posts at the hint of negativity and this one is still going after two days. Why? Is it perhaps because my name is mentioned in negative terms?

www.publishamerica.com/cg...e/6099.htm

Dee

Oh and to the gentleman who said I should just get on with what I need to do legally -- there is no s on Power.

They leave certain posts online in order to get under your skin. They don't realize that they're also providing additional evidence to use against them.

Now it's too late for them to remove it because doing so won't do any good. They've already demonstrated how quick they are to remove posts, so leaving this on for this long implies corporate agreement with the actions of those authors.

Dee's Quote:
"They delete posts at the hint of negativity and this one is still going after two days. Why?"

Are you guys never happy?

First, Ed William's prediction didn't come true about PA pulling the New York Time's thread.

Now, they haven't pulled this postive thread fast enough for you.

Here we are, a week and a half later. The 19 September New York Times Book Review is wrapping fish, lining birdcages, or gone to the recycling center. How did our lucky authors make out with sales from their big opportunity?

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<tr>
<td align=left>Heroes are Hard to Find
by Mike Looney
ISBN: 1413716679
(April 26, 2004)
</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1,250,211
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 271,631
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 1
On order across all warehouses: 1
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 2
Total sales this year: 19
Total sales last year: 0

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: 1,203,441
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 258,382
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 2
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 21
Total sales last year: 0
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>Four Roses for Sarah
by Gerry Edwards
ISBN: 1413733980
(August 9, 2004)
</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>God and Man in Perfect Union
by Joe S. Philip
ISBN: 1413723691
(August 2, 2004)

</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>A Window to the World
by Eunice Boeve
ISBN: 1413732127
(July 26, 2004)
</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 2,733,354
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>The Fairy Chronicles Book One
by J.H. Sweet
ISBN: 1413729789
(July 26, 2004)

</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>By the Water's Edge
by Roger Lee Scott
ISBN: 1413717195
(June 2004)
</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: 2,720,249
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 4
Total sales last year: 0

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 2,733,125
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 4
Total sales last year: 0

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>A Handsome Guy
by Phillip R. Dolan
ISBN: 1413726372
(July 20, 2004)

</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 79,039
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 9,999
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 2
Total sales this year: 1
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 63,347
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 4
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>Island Of Terror
by Erika Butler
ISBN: 1413721273
(May 17, 2004)

</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: 2,210,901
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 336,915
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 6
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 4
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 2,222,659
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 350,396
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 2
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 1
Last week's adjusted demand: 3
Total sales this year: 7
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>Pacified Zone
by Gary W. Suffern
ISBN: 1413730779
(August 2, 2004)

</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 2
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0
</blockquote>

</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>A Word of Encouragement
by Michael Alford
ISBN: 141373264X
(July 26, 2004)
</td> <td align=left>
</td> </tr>
<tr>
<td align=left>
19SEP04
Amazon..com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: None
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0

</td> <td align=left>
29SEP04
Amazon.com Sales Rank: None
Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 92,963
Ingram's Stock Information:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
On hand across all warehouses: 0
On order across all warehouses: 0
On backorder across all warehouses: 0
This week's unadjusted demand: 0
Last week's adjusted demand: 0
Total sales this year: 0
Total sales last year: 0

</td> </tr>

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1. Why the need to point out whether we are right or wrong on what threads PA has pulled? Enough have gone by the wayside over time to make any reasonable person predict that more will follow. Are you implying that it helps PA's credibility to keep these two threads you referenced up and going when they have deleted scores of others in the past that touch on sensitive issues that they do not want their writers to see?

2. My last name is spelled "Williams," and it's "positive," not "postive."

3. If you want to be seen as adding credible input to the discussion, consider revealing who you are and who you work for. As it is right now, disguising your true identity speaks volumes....

The 19 September New York Times Book Review is wrapping fish, lining birdcages, or gone to the recycling center.

"Classic!!"

One thing I'm not sure on....
Take "Word of Encouragement"... B & N sales rank for Sept.19 is none, Sept. 29 is 92,963 , is this a result of others falling off the list? How does this happen when the book has no sales?

(This particular book is also $28.95 on Amazon and 14.95 on B & N):wha

The thread is gone. The last thing I saw on it was H.B huffing and puffing, but that was a while ago.

James, those are sad numbers, but not surprising.

How does this happen when the book has no sales?

I don't believe that Amazon and B&N sales are reflected in the Ingram's numbers.

As to explaining the numbers, I don't try -- I just report them.