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Old 12-22-2005, 02:18 AM   #28601
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Bad form
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Someone is apparently signing guestbooks on websites as being from "Absolute Water Cooler". This is according to a PAMB post.

In addition to being incorrect, it is bad form. No one should be posting as representing this board.

If you want to post on someone's guest book, please have the cahonies to sign your name. Please don't try to appear to represent the members of this board.
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I imagine that there are a number of viewers, either cancer patients or survivors that will take a dim view of this post.

If you got something Pavel, post it in the Journal of the American Medical Association. If it has value, we'll hear about it, and publishers everywhere will be bidding for the right to publish your book.

He's still taking a panning.
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:27 AM   #28603
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Guys-....signing guestbooks on websites as being from "Absolute Water Cooler". This is according to a PAMB post.

In addition to being incorrect, it is bad form. No one should be posting as representing this board. ...
Agreed - and for the record - it's not me or William - we don't hide behind anonymity.

EDIT ADDITION - I just read that PA post (which is duplicated a couple of times for some reason) and the quoted message is not mine - despite being prefixed by 'bufty'.
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:40 AM   #28604
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Not sure if the below got lost in all the cancer-book shuffle, or simply, no one cared to comment...

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Something to also keep in mind...regardless of how small or insignificant (or accidental) the mistakes may be...

Section 11 of the contract (at least mine...give or take a few for your own) reads:

"The Publisher agrees to keep and maintain true and accurate records relating to the distribution of copies of the said literary work, including reports of all sales and collections therefrom."

Honest mistakes (by definition) cease to keep the records true and accurate...
This may make a good case for a breach claim...
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:51 AM   #28605
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I thought early on in my PAMB experience that it seemed like a big author book club. The participants being the suppliers of the material for their own club.

Make friends.

Buy friends book.

Say something good about each others book.

Returnabilty-

Not yet, and I'd wager that not very many have been made so. It doesn't matter anyway, 5% will not get books stocked in stores.


Hence, Lets make books returnable at a very short discount, knowing that stores won't stock them. The bone we throw will excite the newbies and we can attach another books sales scheme to the letter.

When the returnablity program doesn't work, we'll dump it, before "06."

And we'll say.

As we've said before, and it has proven out, that bookstores don't sell books, authors do. Frommmmmm sea to shining sea.

For you lurkers,

This is what sea to shining sea means. That you yourselves have gotten books stocked in stores around the country, not PublishAmerica.

What you get for free.

You write the book, with your heart and soul included. "Your Baby."

P.A. formats your book.

Pastes a cover up from internet sources.

They let you look it, so they can blame you for the mistakes.

You give them up to one hundred names for P.A. to solicit to buy your book. Most I sent never received their notice, yes I had the right addresses.

P.A. sends your file to LSI.

Puts your book on Amazon, and B&N. com, with fifty million other books that are priced half as much, from authors who are more well known.

Send you two author copies for free along with a chance to purchase more in a short time frame, for the best discount they'll ever give you.

Okay, up to now, you've only lost your baby for 7 years. You won't sell a gang of books, nor will you make a bunch of money.

Bookstores won't stock it, and you'll be forced to buy your own books to try to, "Get your name out there."

If you buy your own books, you have paid to publish. Yes, they have formatted it and made it ready to sell. But, to who?

Not the public, for they aren't able to find it in any store, unless you put it in your local store on consignment.

Notice Local store. You can't travel all over the U.S., Canada, or England consigning your book. Stores won't buy your book, even from you, because it isn't profitable, and they know who P.A. is already.

So, don't buy your own books. Write a new and better book, and send it to publishers and agents who will do all of the sales, marketing and work for you.

As you so often love to call yourselves writers, and published authors, then write, and leave the sales to the Avon lady.

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Old 12-22-2005, 03:09 AM   #28606
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Someone is apparently signing guestbooks on websites as being from "Absolute Water Cooler". This is according to a PAMB post.

In addition to being incorrect, it is bad form. No one should be posting as representing this board.

If you want to post on someone's guest book, please have the cahonies to sign your name. Please don't try to appear to represent the members of this board.


Totally agree. But looking deeper into this, I read the alleged post and then went to the PA poster's own site and read some excerpts from his/her printed works. But more of that shortly.

First of all, Bufty doesn't sign his name bufty, although he freely admitted for any lurkers that may have been interested that it was he who they were flaming a short while ago. I'll also go as far as to say that I don't believe anyone from this board would attempt to impersonate him, and if they did they would surely get the name of this forum right. But a PA author might wrongly assume that as he posts here as bufty, he might also sign guestbooks in a similar fashion.

Back to the offensive post in question. There is a tendency there to punctuate words like 'without' as 'with out', and in this poster's own writings he/she (there appears to be two of them in this writing partnership) also punctuates words like 'overcome' as 'over come' . There are also further similarities as regards the spelling of familiar words and sloppy attention to other detail.

Although I completely agree with the principal, I'm inclined to take that particular complaint with a large dose of salt.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:27 AM   #28607
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UH oh! Here's another one.
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I just had someone sign my guest book- name bufty
They told me to PA Sucks! Get a real publisher! How do you feel about peddeling books! Are you CRAZY! This is not what a publisher does!

Laughable, Yes, said their web address was absoulutewatercooler.com I went there to tell them what I thought about them calling me a peddeler(whatever that is)
Guess what - that site would not pull up.
How do I get this Idiot off of my guest entries?
I can't defend myself over there on the PA Board, but this type of guestbook posting and behaviour is not the way I behave, as many PA authors will know. Even those who have exchanged mails with me and disagree with my views on PA know that is not my type of language and I am always respectful to them as fellow writers.
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I can't defend myself over there on the PA Board, but this type of guestbook posting and behaviour is not the way I behave, as many PA authors will know. Even those who have exchanged mails with me and disagree with my views on PA know that is not my type of language and I am always respectful to them as fellow writers.


To me it's pretty obvious what's going down. Some PA provocateur is attempting to discredit this board. Even the language of the posts in question is similar to the style of some PA authors I've came across. There was yet another thread inviting PA authors to check out a guest book. I did this, and the posts are now shorter than that first one, but all are now almost identical. It's one of their own that's doing it. I'd lay odds on it.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:46 AM   #28609
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Jenna has said in the past (I think in this very thread) that if a PA author's guestbook is "slimed" or "slammed" and they think it's someone from here, send her the IP address of the guestbook offender and if it can be proved to be a post from a member of AW, they'll be banned. This is not the kind of activity that she will tolerate at all.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:57 AM   #28610
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The actual text of the guestbook is this, for anyone who cares. Seems obvious that they're trying to discredit the board (even if they can't get the URL right).
to Bufty.

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:10 AM   #28611
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UH oh! Here's another one.

I can't defend myself over there on the PA Board, but this type of guestbook posting and behaviour is not the way I behave, as many PA authors will know. Even those who have exchanged mails with me and disagree with my views on PA know that is not my type of language and I am always respectful to them as fellow writers.
William, I don't think anybody here doubts that someone has used your name; the question is, why? Why use your name and AW's supposed link? If the poster merely wanted to remain anonymous, that misdirection really isn't necessary. And I doubt Mr. or Mrs. X was trying to add to their clout by dropping fake names. This may have been done by a PA supporter who is trying to turn people against you before you even send them one of your polite messages. It could also be someone who is trying to tarnish AW's image for those PAers who are teetering on the edge of rebellion, so they will go somewhere else when the honeymoon's over.

Or, this could be one more case of Steve cooking up plots in his head and revealing them on the board, when he should be writing. Probably this last thing.
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Who knows? Maybe Miranda is trying to regain favor with Willem and Larry by guestbook sliming? Maybe Vic is trying to sweet talk Willem after his terrible representation? Maybe Larry is trying to convince Miranda to convert? Maybe Willem is trying to convince Willem that he cares about his authors?
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:24 AM   #28613
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considering they can't even get the web addy of THIS place right, I'd put it down to a disgruntled PA author having trouble with the truth. At least the PA shills would have the addy right.

maybe.
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:28 AM   #28614
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Your Publisher is involved in three scams. Do some research, and nextime, don't be so quick to give your manuscripts away to hack printers.

Found this on another guest book; last entry. Someone is very busy although it seems, at least on this one, they've given up on the pretext that they're bufty and are simply mentioning this board.

This one seems to be having those same punctuation problems I mentioned in a previous post, although in reverse. 'next time'.
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:36 AM   #28615
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Agreed, not Bufty.


I guess I'll make a wild guess,too.

I say it's Santa trying to see who'll be naughty or nice. And, they have been naughty in their replies.

Though, who ever put those entries in those books, is right.
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Found this on another guest book; last entry. Someone is very busy although it seems, at least on this one, they've given up on the pretext that they're bufty and are simply mentioning this board.

This one seems to be having those same punctuation problems I mentioned in a previous post, although in reverse. 'next time'.
I signed a few of the guestbooks! I signed it as A friend but I left my email addy! I got a few replies and a few complaints, obviously someone else did so too! I think I was banned from the PA board though...
 
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...Notice Local store....
For whatever it is worth, one local bookstore in my area (owner-operated small business) that emphasizes used books also stocks a selection of books by local authors, including a handful of PA titles (more of the local titles are self-published or from regional small presses). BUT the proprietor is selective and is dealing with books by authors she has met face-to-face. No author can possibly make a living, or even significant pocket change, from the occasional sale at one or two local bookstores, even if it is possible to get on a shelf here or there.

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You gotta be appalled by the titanium testicular fortitude this guy must have to run a scam on top of somebody else's scam. He figures if they've been duped once they're ripe to be duped again. I'll bet Larry and Willem aren't going to let this guy float for long on the PAMB

I can just imagine.. 16,000 Happy Authors poping magic pills running form bookstore to bookstore peddaling both their books and the newest miracle cure. Wow, a compund scam.

OR even better, miracle cure guy bought the PA hype hoping to proliferate his con to the masses and wound up getting sucker punched by Publish America.. A little scammer gets taken by a bigger scammer.. I like that scenario better.

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Yes it is...I signed several newbies guestbooks and now cannot get on to see what they are complaining about. Like I said I only signed as thoglog so noone please get mad at me. I wrote emails back to the few who answered their guestbooks reply.
 
Old 12-22-2005, 05:33 AM   #28622
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The PA board does seem to be down.

In general, I take a dim view of posting on guestbooks of people I don't know, or of writing to strangers who haven't requested me to contact them.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:43 AM   #28623
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i never posted this site upon anyone's guestbook...all i stated was-please be informed of your publisher and their practices. I feel no ill ease toward anyone there other than a friend of mine who worked for years and was taken for her money bec. of PA
 
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Thought I'd pop on over to the PAMB. This is what I got just now:
Technie thingies deleted.

And I thought it was just me. I thought they had somehow started to recognized my IP address because I often go from the AW board to check out posts. So much for that ego trip.

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"Not valid" pretty much sums PA up as a publisher. "Critical error" must refer to the decision to sign the PA contract.
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